God's choice For President
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Obama is a Muslim and they hate homosexuality. I tend to think that he will be like Hitler, who allowed it within his ranks while he was establishing his rule and then began to persecute homosexuals including his friends.
I don't think Christians should get comfortable thinking obama's only going to be serving two terms, he's already proved he doesn't uphold the constitution; why would he stop at two terms?
In my humble opinion, we need to forgot what has already taken place, stop our whining, dig our knees in and begin to pray for those in authority over us and for the peace of Jerusalem. "Having done all, to stand; (and see the salvation of the Lord)."
God bless,
Lisa
This is what the Bible says to do. President Obama can do nothing that God does not allow.
Many a useful idiot will find themselves in alot of trouble,Homosexuals,the media and all those who hated and despised America's judeo christian principles and values,when they are cold,hungry and in the street with nothing they will burn with regret and self loathing for what they helped to destroy.....others will also hate and despise them for it as well.
God has always told man he had a choice between life and death,cursing and blessing,many chritians have a flippant and careless attitude about what has and is happening in America,they offer pious platitudes like "God is on the throne" and the like,well sure God is on the throne,he was on the throne when he gave man the choice so that has nothing to do with it
This attitude is due in no small part to modern American christianity that has taught Americans that God is not anyone they should fear because he either does nothing or makes everything ok,the other part is that the large majority of Americans including christians have no clue about real suffering and poverty and complete destitution,they have lived their lives in a wealthy and prosperous country where there has always been enough food and one could get help if they needed it,others have an idealistic and childish veiw of hard times having watched one too many episodes of the Waltons or some other such Hollywood nonsense that has nothing to do with reality.
The judgement of God is a terrible and fearful thing....too bad modern christianity has had so little to say about in the past 50 years that very few believe it exist....the majority in a nation of 300 million people is speeding towards a brick wall at 100 miles an hour and don't even know it,voted for it and don't care....when they hit that wall and their lives are shattered in a million peices they will care and will have the rest of their lives to burn with regret over it.
In Israel this was illegal.
And what the political involvement of the early Christians was, how do you know? Are you certain that Christians were uninvolved politically?
What would happen if a politician became a Christian? Did they resign? And if asked, "should we approve of abortion?" what should be the answer . . . "I don't care what you do"??
Do we not use the position God gives us to protect the weak and defenseless? What does God tell us? So what reason could there possibly be to not outlaw abortion if given the opportunity?
Love in Christ,
Mark
The Bible is clear about how to change any issue. I mentioned them in the post you answered. Christians have more power through believing prayer than any politician or government official. Involvement in partisan politics and doing themselves what they are against destroys it
And where exactly did Jesus tell us not to be in politics?
You would have no Christian in government? Why should all of our leaders be godless?
And John the Baptist was beheaded because a sinner hated John's witness for the truth, no other reason. That is why Jesus was killed, and that is why many prophets have been killed.
To stand by and do nothing, while someone murders a defenseless baby, while there is action I can take to attempt to prevent that murder (we can debate the pragmatic point of whether or not I will succeed), to do nothing is wrong. Do you not read that in your Bible? Is not God the defender of the weak? Does not your Bible tell us to imitate Jesus? Is not true religion to look after the afflicted orphan?
Love in Christ,
Mark
. . . compare to . . .
As far as explaining to you . . . there is perversion in many places. We bring a good influence.
Better a Christian leader than a perverse leader, do you really not think so?
Do you prefer we have perverse leaders? Is that Biblical? Did Nebuchadnezzar abdicate? Did Cyrus?
If you touch a "sinner", do you become "spotted"? If you work alongside a "sinner", do you become spotted? If you buy food in a store owned by a "sinner", do you become "spotted"? Do you only eat Christian tacos?
If you work alongside someone who is perverse, does that make you perverse? Do you know who would have answered YES to all of these questions in Jesus' day?
Love in Christ,
Mark
aspen
“"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few
Maybe you just need to wait a bit longer to see what seems to be obvious to so many, Aspen. On a human level, I don't agree with his policies, at all. On a spiritual level, It seems from the uprisings in Libya, Syria, Egypt and elsewhere that Satan knows his best chance to come against Israel is while Obama is in office. I have not seen Obama addressing the turmoil in Israel in the last week or so by condemning it. No action by Obama (looks like indifference to me) seems to convey permission to the enemies of Israel to do what they want. Just my observation, and time will tell if I am right or wrong in my observations.
Do all that is in your heart. These questions have nothing to do with what I have been saying and demonstrate a deliberate attempt to twist what I have said.
I have never been on a forum where I've been accused of "deliberate" this that or whatever as often as on this one. It makes me wonder . . .
You are presenting that a person cannot work with sinners without becoming spotted by them. But I don't believe that is true.
You are saying that the only way to function within government is to be as perverse as the rest, but I know that is not true.
I am not attempting to twist what you've said, only to reveal what you are saying.
We work and live alongside the unrighteous, alongside perverse and wicked people. And if all is going the way it should, we show them a better way to live. And if it really goes well, we show them how they too can live that better way.
Not by just abandoning them to their evil. That's not what Jesus did. And that's no reason to just exit all Christian presence from government.
And being in government, why would we not serve according to God's Word? If given the opportunity to save life, or let it be lost, taken away by murderers, is it not better to save that life?
You are suggesting that we pray for their deliverance. Of course that is what we must do. But you are also, so it seems to me, suggesting that God would not hand to you the tools to deliver them.
Why not?
Paul used his citizenship to further his goals, was he wrong to do so? Are we wrong to do so?
Love in Christ,
Mark
You are presenting that a person cannot work with sinners without becoming spotted by them. But I don't believe that is true.
You are saying that the only way to function within government is to be as perverse as the rest, but I know that is not true.
I am not attempting to twist what you've said, only to reveal what you are saying.
We work and live alongside the unrighteous, alongside perverse and wicked people. And if all is going the way it should, we show them a better way to live. And if it really goes well, we show them how they too can live that better way.
Not by just abandoning them to their evil. That's not what Jesus did. And that's no reason to just exit all Christian presence from government.
And being in government, why would we not serve according to God's Word? If given the opportunity to save life, or let it be lost, taken away by murderers, is it not better to save that life?
You are suggesting that we pray for their deliverance. Of course that is what we must do. But you are also, so it seems to me, suggesting that God would not hand to you the tools to deliver them.
Why not?
Paul used his citizenship to further his goals, was he wrong to do so? Are we wrong to do so?
Love in Christ,
Mark
You took a clear scripture and twisted it to mean what you would like and then made accusations. Here is the scripture you tried to quote:
James 1:27
New King James Version (NKJV)
[sup]27 [/sup]Pure and undefiled religion before God and the Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their trouble, and to keep oneself unspotted from the world.
aspen
“"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few
It is easy to make accusations about people without evidence - it is called bearing false witness. It is easy because you can accuse the person and then if you are wrong, you can blame them for misleading you. Claiming that Obama is a Muslim without evidence, simply based on your perception of his policies concerning Israel is a good example of bearing false witness.
A good Muslin would not deny being Muslim.
A good Muslin would not deny being Muslim.
I do not believe this is true. Call me naive, or call you jaded, but I do not believe this is true.
Romney nor Obama is a man of the true God.
The Lord told me not to vote for either man, that the man put in place for commander in Chief of America will be put there by God for His purpose, plan, and glory.
Get out this evil political system, it is of the New World Order, come out of her!!
The Lord told me not to vote for either man, that the man put in place for commander in Chief of America will be put there by God for His purpose, plan, and glory.
Get out this evil political system, it is of the New World Order, come out of her!!
Taqiya/ Subterfuge:-
It is the Muhammadan Muslim doctrine and practice, (Self Protection; Religious Dissimulation; Concealment; Disguise; Deception; Subterfuge) whereby it is considered acceptable to CONCEAL one's true ALLEGIANCE and even IDENTITY in the face of perceived adversity.
It was Muhammad who 1400 years ago, unilaterally declared TOTAL WAR against all those who do not believe as he did, the UNBELIEVERS. He asserted repeatedly, that the most important and fundamental ART of war is, DECEPTION.
The word "al-Taqiyya" literally means: "Concealing or disguising one's beliefs, convictions, ideas, feelings, opinions, and/or strategies at a time of perceived imminent danger, whether now or later in time, to save oneself from physical and/or mental injury.
The above definition must be clearly explained before any undertaking of this topic is to be continued.
First, the CONCEALMENT of one's beliefs does NOT mean an ABANDONMENT of these beliefs. The distinction between "concealment" and "abandonment" MUST be clearly understood.
Second, the word "beliefs" and/or "convictions" does NOT necessarily mean "religious" beliefs and/or convictions, Only.
Read more:
http://www.inthename...Subterfuge.html
Islam is not the only religion that uses subterfuge and believe in "the means justifies the ends".
aspen
“"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few
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