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amadeus · Feb 20, 2018

Triumph1300 said:
I have done that too.

Just recently I decided to sell off all of it.
Been in contact with dealers and collectors and I decided to keep it all and pass it on in the family.

To much hassle and I don't need the money.

My collection is The Netherlands and all the colonies.
Russia, Poland, France, and a few other European countries.
Oldest stamps are mid 1800's.

I have 8 shoeboxes packed with first day covers.

Also lots of old coins.

I would have passed my collection on to family if there were even one person who was interested. I started collections for my son and my daughter when they were young. Neither of them stayed with it. There is no one else. Every time I found an interested younger collector I always gave them hundreds of stamps, but as you know such youngsters are impossible to find any more. My collection was world-wide issues up until about 1970 with several exceptions including Spanish speaking countries, Germany and the United States. My old German collection is still worth something even though I sold many of the best ones several years ago. My old USA may have some value to it but I no longer have the incentive to go through all of the identification needed for the many every early ones. I will probably leave them for my wife to sell the whole things to some dealers for effectively nothing when I am gone.

I never collected first day covers, but I have quite of few of those along with lots of miscellany [such as non-stamps from many countries, Christmas seals galore and tons of old postcards]. My mother used to collect antiques and whenever a stamp collection came up for auction she would buy it for me. Stamps never sold well at antique auctions so she picked them up for next to nothing. She loved to have me go through them and tell her how good of a deal she got. For me, of course, it cost nothing.

Triumph1300 · Feb 20, 2018

We operated an antique store besides a few other businesses.
I also sold stamp collecting stuff, like albums etc.
Shut that down about 20 years ago.

amadeus · Feb 20, 2018

Triumph1300 said:
We operated an antique store besides a few other businesses.
I also sold stamp collecting stuff, like albums etc.
Shut that down about 20 years ago.

I was never into anything much other than stamps. As a kid they were on nearly all of the mail and there was no such thing as E-mail, cell phones and Internet. My family saved stamps off the envelopes received for me. My mother took up antique collecting late in life, but she took it very seriously. Her sister and her husband were into antique books. When I was attending Junior College their bookstore was near by and I would go in and borrow some of their Edgar Rice Burroughs oldies. The condition mattered not to me... only the content. I read them instead of studying for as long as I could get away with it.

Triumph1300 · Feb 20, 2018

Interesting. I read a lot.
Mostly biographies and history.
No TV in our house.

amadeus · Feb 20, 2018

Triumph1300 said:
Interesting. I read a lot.
Mostly biographies and history.
No TV in our house.

When I was in high school I read novels in all of my classes unless or until caught by the teacher. Now I read scripture or things related to scripture and biographies and dabble in other subjects occasionally. I still occasionally try to read novels, but rarely am I able to finish one anymore. In my youth I was quite naïve about everything so I was not often offended by a novel as I could not understand much about the author. This has changed drastically over the years and I now often understand too much about the author so I put the book down before I finish it.

Triumph1300 · Feb 21, 2018

amadeus said:
....so I put the book down before I finish it.

Done that, been there.

Taken · Mar 19, 2018

amadeus said:
I would have passed my collection on to family if there were even one person who was interested. I started collections for my son and my daughter when they were young. Neither of them stayed with it. There is no one else. Every time I found an interested younger collector I always gave them hundreds of stamps, but as you know such youngsters are impossible to find any more. My collection was world-wide issues up until about 1970 with several exceptions including Spanish speaking countries, Germany and the United States. My old German collection is still worth something even though I sold many of the best ones several years ago. My old USA may have some value to it but I no longer have the incentive to go through all of the identification needed for the many every early ones. I will probably leave them for my wife to sell the whole things to some dealers for effectively nothing when I am gone.

I never collected first day covers, but I have quite of few of those along with lots of miscellany [such as non-stamps from many countries, Christmas seals galore and tons of old postcards]. My mother used to collect antiques and whenever a stamp collection came up for auction she would buy it for me. Stamps never sold well at antique auctions so she picked them up for next to nothing. She loved to have me go through them and tell her how good of a deal she got. For me, of course, it cost nothing.

Perhaps one of your children will keep them for a future grand- great- or great, great grandchild.

I have acquired ( not stamps ) but letters, pictures, documents, diaries, Bibles, and other things, that family members kept, but didn't really want, nor did descending generations...
Great finds for me, when I get box full of things, possessed by my GGGG grandparents.

God Bless,
Taken

Taken · Mar 19, 2018

Triumph1300 said:
Interesting. I read a lot.
Mostly biographies and history.
No TV in our house.

We have a TV, but don't watch TV. Occasionally a movie....but mostly, use a flash drive to show rotating pictures of family and churches and old barns and structures and natural scenery we take while traveling.

Today's TV broadcasting....UGH, nausaiting.

God Bless,
Taken

Taken · Mar 19, 2018

aspen said:
How does gun ownership (apart from hunting for food) fit with faith? Early Christian martyrs did not have concealed weapon permits

Personally I think some guns are like art, pleasing to the eye.

On a grander note...Scripture speaks over 230 times about preparedness.

I would rather be prepared then not.
You know, like carrying a spare tire!
Or Jesus appears and a man didn't prepare himself to be redeemed.

God Bless,
Taken

amadeus · Mar 19, 2018

Taken said:
Perhaps one of your children will keep them for a future grand- great- or great, great grandchild.

I have acquired ( not stamps ) but letters, pictures, documents, diaries, Bibles, and other things, that family members kept, but didn't really want, nor did descending generations...
Great finds for me, when I get box full of things, possessed by my GGGG grandparents.

God Bless,
Taken

Oh yes, I have also acquired older things such as that, but there are few left anymore. For one reason or the other they are mostly gone. Space is a factor as now we no longer own a home. We have a two bedroom apartment with one bedroom serving as my study. The room is full even though I continue to sort through things and dispose of them as I can. I have a piano and had stacks of music books. I spent a lot of hours scanning the music I wanted into my computer. Now those books already scanned sit in boxes waiting a trip to a second hand store, unless someone comes along first who wants some of them.

I did the same thing with the many thousands of pictures we once had on paper photos and slides. I took a couple of thousand pictures when I was in the army, etc. Some of the nicer family fotos are kept in frames, but most are available only on my computers.

Now its me my piano, my harmonicas, my stamp collection and my Bibles with references filling my bookcases.

When I run out of things and time then I will no longer have use for them all. I am certain God will provide anything that is needed.

aspen · Mar 23, 2018

Taken said:
Personally I think some guns are like art, pleasing to the eye.

On a grander note...Scripture speaks over 230 times about preparedness.

I would rather be prepared then not.
You know, like carrying a spare tire!
Or Jesus appears and a man didn't prepare himself to be redeemed.

God Bless,
Taken

Prepared to kill a person?

Taken · Mar 24, 2018

aspen said:
Prepared to kill a person?

If circumstances warrant; yes.

God Bless,
Taken

Josho · Mar 26, 2018

Taken said:
If circumstances warrant; yes.

God Bless,
Taken

But that is a response of the flesh, it may be how a non-Christian Jew responds, it may be how some tough guy at the bar responds to someone else starting a fight, but it's not how a Christians should respond. So what are you meant to do as a Christian in that kind of situation? if a gunman comes into your house? Don't repay hate for hate, instead when a gunman comes into your house respond with the love and the forgiveness of Christ if you get the chance, but main line is trust Jesus for your protection, God can intervene, and He still does, He can cause that gunman to drop his gun and break into tears repenting, He can prevent any harm from happening, He can protect your vital organs, He can stand up an angel right beside you or in front of you right in the face of the gunman, and if you do get fatally shot, He can still bring you back to life right on this earth, resurrections still happen, don't doubt the ability of Jesus no matter the situation, trust in Jesus. And remember if you as a Christian get killed on this earth you will wake up in heaven, the body may have got harmed, but the spirit being is left unharmed.

It's not about an eye for an eye, or who fires the 1st shot wins, or who is the 1st to get knocked out, but it's about repaying evil with good, repaying evil with a loving forgiveness, repaying evil with the Good News that that bloke that's intending to harm you, or causing harm can be saved, delivered and healed through Jesus Christ.

Taken · Mar 26, 2018

Josho said:
But that is a response of the flesh, it may be how a non-Christian Jew responds, it may be how some tough guy at the bar responds to someone else starting a fight, but it's not how a Christians should respond. So what are you meant to do as a Christian in that kind of situation? if a gunman comes into your house? Don't repay hate for hate, instead when a gunman comes into your house respond with the love and the forgiveness of Christ if you get the chance, but main line is trust Jesus for your protection, God can intervene, and He still does, He can cause that gunman to drop his gun and break into tears repenting, He can prevent any harm from happening, He can protect your vital organs, He can stand up an angel right beside you or in front of you right in the face of the gunman, and if you do get fatally shot, He can still bring you back to life right on this earth, resurrections still happen, don't doubt the ability of Jesus no matter the situation, trust in Jesus. And remember if you as a Christian get killed on this earth you will wake up in heaven, the body may have got harmed, but the spirit being is left unharmed.

It's not about an eye for an eye, or who fires the 1st shot wins, or who is the 1st to get knocked out, but it's about repaying evil with good, repaying evil with a loving forgiveness, repaying evil with the Good News that that bloke that's intending to harm you, or causing harm can be saved, delivered and healed through Jesus Christ.

Thanks for your simplistic commentary.

I never said it was about an eye for an eye ~
THAT is revenge!

I did say it was about being PREPARED.
You promote reasoning with an assaliant.
That MIGHT or MIGHT not be an option.

Scripture teaches to reason with Gods Knowledge.

Why were men directed BY GOD to KILL other men? IF you understand GODS reasoning, you would have understood, reasoning with men DOES NOT ALWAYS prevail to remedy the circumstances.

And in certain circumstances IN SCRIPTURE, the Lords POWER WAS specifically WITH men to KILL and DEFEAT other men.

As I said; Be prepared in consideration and "according to" the circumstances.

I did not give a circumstance of patrons in a bar arguing. Walk away. Who cares who thinks their RIGHT. The "bar" is not their property. Pulling a gun, is not to protect their property. That would be a matter of "protecting their ego". I said nothing to that effect.

IF in such a circumstance, you return to YOUR Home, and YOUR two teen daughters, and an assailant has raped and murdered One of your daughters, and IN the Process of raping your other daughter and YOU want to reason with the assaliant....THAT IS your Choice.

I will have already HEARD the cries of my Second daughter trying to REASON with the assaliant, and already SEE reasoning with the assailant FAILED; and take justifiable action.

If it is your desire to DO otherwise, that is YOUR choice, as MY choice is mine.

God Bless,
Taken

APAK · Mar 26, 2018

Now those folks that cry out loud that having weapons that kill or wound is not scriptural are deceiving themselves. This stance is either spawned by the weak or those that are bent on making us slaves, at the mercy of a dictatorial or socialistic world. We are marching that way anyway.

Many well-meaning Christians are blindly abetting them as they think it is not Christ-like of God -like in their estimation to carry weapons. Their estimation is completely wrong.

Let start off in Luke 22 :35-39

(Luk 22:35) And he said to them, “When I sent you out with no moneybag or knapsack or sandals, did you lack anything?” They said, “Nothing.”
(Luk 22:36) He said to them, “But now let the one who has a moneybag take it, and likewise a knapsack. And let the one who has no sword sell his cloak and buy one.
(Luk 22:37) For I tell you that this Scripture must be fulfilled in me: ‘And he was numbered with the transgressors.’ For what is written about me has its fulfillment.”
(Luk 22:38) And they said, “Look, Lord, here are two swords.” And he said to them, “It is enough.”
(Luk 22:39) And he came out and went, as was his custom, to the Mount of Olives, and the disciples followed him. (ALL ESV)

Jesus is specifically telling his disciples to carry weapons to protect their money and their food and other personal items. He insisted on it to the point of telling them to sell clothing to buy weapons that kill and wound. It was for self-protection and robbery. I believe Jesus would not have moved forward until they got these weapons. His mission was too important to allow any deviations.

Now Luke 22: 49-52

(Luk 22:49) And when those who were around him saw what would follow, they said, “Lord, shall we strike with the sword?”
(Luk 22:50) And one of them struck the servant of the high priest and cut off his right ear.
(Luk 22:51) But Jesus said, “No more of this!” And he touched his ear and healed him.
(Luk 22:52) Then Jesus said to the chief priests and officers of the temple and elders, who had come out against him, “Have you come out as against a robber, with swords and clubs? (ALL ESV)

Matthew 26:51-56 and John 18:10-11 have their own versions.

Now a disciple wanted to use his sword against their enemies in the Garden. Jesus did not say no. He said no more when an ear was cut off. By this action, Jesus is saying to his disciples that they had every right to defend their own life although he did not want it to escalate with more blood spilt and their lives lost. Jesus showed his kindness to his enemy by performing a miracle that healed his wound. He was showing mercy, by using minimal force to get the point across of trespassing and unlawful or unjustified arrest.

Then Jesus even went further to let us know that we are to arm ourselves against robbers as these people associated with the high priest were carrying swords and clubs to kill and maim (verse 52).

Some, not all disciples, wore swords all the time whilst with Jesus and later in preaching the gospel. Is there proof to the contrary?

I would say Jesus believed that using a weapon for defense was necessary, although as a last resort because either party can die so easily.

So you would not defend your loved ones from robbers and killers? Everyone one has to be martyrs? Is that what Jesus would say? Not!

Bless you,

APAK

aspen · Mar 26, 2018

ScottA said:
The issue is about truth and honesty. There are many tools that contribute to evil in the hands of evil people. But if we are honest, they are not where the problem originates from, nor are they where the solution lies:

Matthew 12:35
A good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth good things, and an evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth evil things.

Yes, but the difference between ‘many things’ and guns is that no one arguing against the regulation of most things that hurt people. Most things that hurt people do not have lobbyists that fight against providing safe guards.

ScottA · Mar 27, 2018

aspen said:
Yes, but the difference between ‘many things’ and guns is that no one arguing against the regulation of most things that hurt people. Most things that hurt people do not have lobbyists that fight against providing safe guards.

That's not true. Pick something, anything. Most things, all things, have safe guards. It's only people who either have safe guards or not, a conscience or not, love or hate. And guns may be a terrible scapegoat, but they're just a scapegoat, not the problem, and not the solution.

Taken · Mar 27, 2018

aspen said:
Yes, but the difference between ‘many things’ and guns is that no one arguing against the regulation of most things that hurt people. Most things that hurt people do not have lobbyists that fight against providing safe guards.

"no one is arguing against the regulation of most things that hurt people"

Really?

Personally, I am, and know many who are SICK to Death of the Government Regulating Stupidity of men!

There is NO LAW against being stupid, and making stupid decisions....so why are there umpteen regulations FOR things stupid men want to do?

It's too blunt to say, WE (the government) have a DUTY to KEEP stupid people from making stupid decisions....actually NO they do not have such a Broad Sweeping DUTY.

God Bless,
Taken

VictoryinJesus · Mar 27, 2018

I haven't been following the tread. I'm not big on guns. Either way doesn't seem like it will fix anything.

But I love children. Even elementary children now have to go to school and instead of doing tornado drills, they have "bad people drills". That is what my granddaughter calls it(she is a kindergartener) and then she demonstrates how you hide. For me, there is no easy solution with the guns. But what I would like to see is for them to start employing a couple of massive German shepherds whose nature it is to protect inside every school. If you have ever seen a German shepherd take down a target, you'll know why. They don't stop. They just keep coming with no fear. Show a couple of times on the news what these dogs are trained to do and, just maybe, anyone would think twice about going in. A plus, they smell gun power and can also be trained to hunt for guns. My husband said the shooter would only end up going for the dogs first. I love animals, don't get me wrong, but in a lot of cases we are talking about children and it has got to change. If a shooter has to focus on the dogs first, a dog trained to take them down no matter what, children that are terrified and hiding for their life at least would be given an opportunity to get somewhere safe before they become the target. Alarms could be pulled and adults in place would be given the opportunity to react. That may sound stupid but I really believe we would start hearing of less attacks. That's just my opinion. Leave guns alone and make the shooter the target instead.

Taken · Mar 27, 2018

VictoryinJesus said:
I haven't been following the tread. I'm not big on guns. Either way doesn't seem like it will fix anything.

But I love children. Even elementary children now have to go to school and instead of doing tornado drills, they have "bad people drills". That is what my granddaughter calls it(she is a kindergartener) and then she demonstrates how you hide. For me, there is no easy solution with the guns. But what I would like to see is for them to start employing a couple of massive German shepherds whose nature it is to protect inside every school. If you have ever seen a German shepherd take down a target, you'll know why. They don't stop. They just keep coming with no fear. Show a couple of times on the news what these dogs are trained to do and, just maybe, anyone would think twice about going in. A plus, they smell gun power and can also be trained to hunt for guns. My husband said the shooter would only end up going for the dogs first. I love animals, don't get me wrong, but in a lot of cases we are talking about children and it has got to change. If a shooter has to focus on the dogs first, a dog trained to take them down no matter what, children that are terrified and hiding for their life at least would be given an opportunity to get somewhere safe before they become the target. Alarms could be pulled and adults in place would be given the opportunity to react. That may sound stupid but I really believe we would start hearing of less attacks. That's just my opinion. Leave guns alone and make the shooter the target instead.

Personally I favor the Lords Way.

Receive your gift (child) from the Lord with gladness.

Then the parents PROVIDE for the (child).

Where in Scripture is it taught, to leave your "LITTLE" children with strangers to raise, teach, establish their foundations?

Why are "little" children, 4, 7, 10, 12, yr olds, being sent to places for 8 hours a day for strangers to fill their heads, and expose them to corrupt indoctrinations and very possible physical dangers?

Sure we can blame the inanimate object called a gun....however the fact is there are bad guys, creeps, predators everywhere, scouring places where children congregate, plotting how to devour the weak.

Just as you would go to a shoe store to buy shoes....a child predator will go to schools to pick out their prey.

Surely people do not believe, the title Teacher or Priest or daycare means CHILD predators are "not allowed" in such professions.

God Bless,
Taken

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