Are we divine ???

"These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily , whether those things were so."

someone better tell "these" i guess huh

ScottA said:

We do not prove God, God proves God.

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bbyrd009 said:

well to that i will say that we are hardly the first to be having this disagreement, ok, you might believe that there is no interpretation whatsoever going on there, in those,
John 18:36
Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world.

John 14:2
In My Father’s house are many mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

John 14:3
And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also.

John 20:17
Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father,

1 Thessalonians 4:17
Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.

but i can only reiterate that there is, and i could link you to some similar discussions if you like.
the argument is that Christ is using simile and metaphor to describe spiritual things, as i'm sure you are aware

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bbyrd009 said:

note that i usually ignore those, but then you started your rant about "reading the word" which i know is a lie, see, so you basically put me in a corner there. The Bible makes the relationship abundantly clear to anyone who seeks, just start looking basically anywhere, i guess, try to quote "the Bible is the Word," or reconcile In the beginning was the Bible, and the Bible was with God, and the Bible was God, etc
Scripture was God~Breathed, from Word, but having been written down and scribed is now words, not Word.
As the Book will explain to anyone who seeks, "we" included.

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bbyrd009 said:

"I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes."

wadr whenever i hear "very clear Scripture" i know i'm about to get hosed
by someone who imagines themselves The Arbiter of the Book

see, i have no "proof," and neither do i make any demands.

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I realize that debate on a public forum is common, yet in reality none of what we discuss here is debatable or a matter of what one believes, their opinion, or interpretation.

But you go one step further to suggest that the written word of God has been compromised down through the ages, as if men could and have somehow hijacked God's word. By doing so, you may as well join Satan and cast doubt upon what God has said as he did with Eve in the garden. I suggest that if you believe that God does not have providence over His word, that you are not helping, but are a part of the problem unless you are abandoning all that is worldly, and side with God holding strictly to what is spiritual, i.e. "My words are spirit." But this you have not done. No, but rather the opposite, speaking against God's "appointing some as prophets" fully capable of arbitrating His word. You seem to be under the impression that the gifts of the Spirit have made for an even playing field - but this is wrong. The members of one body are not equal, but purposely unique by design.

In such a setting as God has made, why would anyone reject the contributions of other unique members? The only legitimate reason would be if they did not align with the scriptures. And the only other possibility, is that which I mentioned, which is doing as Satan did, whether knowingly or unknowingly.

For me, I think in the positive, knowing that God is in control. What I post is either scripture or agrees with scripture and can be reconciled with all scripture. But you seem to side with doubt, as if God is not in control, and offer arguments that cannot be reconciled with the scriptures without resorting to calling an interpretation foul, as if truth cannot be known even by those members of the body to whom it has been given. Do you not know that this is lightness and darkness? For this very reason, Jesus warned: "Therefore take heed that the light which is in you is not darkness."

ScottA said:

By doing so, you may as well join Satan

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gee, never saw that coming
what a surprise, huh

ScottA said:

For me, I think in the positive, knowing that God is in control. What I post is either scripture or agrees with scripture and can be reconciled with all scripture.

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look, how bout we just both agree that you are the font of truth ok
as you say

bbyrd009 said:

look, how bout we just both agree that you are the font of truth ok
as you say

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...Better yet, how about we take our lead from God and stop wrestling with speculations?

pia said:

Rather than always study about Him, I much rather take the time to push into Him and seek Him, ask Him and then await a reply, which always comes, albeit not always as quickly as I would like....He is real you know, we need to bring Him into the now, and not just have Him like a History lesson, or a set of written laws...."Jesus, the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow"....."Today if you hear His voice, do not turn away", just to mention a couple..

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pia,

That sounds existential to me. Are you an existential believer (i.e. one who focusses on existence/experience in the now)?

Paul to Timothy did not adopt an existential approach in 2 Tim 2:15 (NIV): "Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth".

Oz

jaybird said:

1 John 5:19
We know that we are from God, and the whole world lies in the power of the evil one.

technically the world is bad, flesh is of this world. the idea is to transform from flesh and blood of this world to spirit and our true self of the next world.

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When and how will this transformation take place?

OzSpen said:

When and how will this transformation take place?

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i would think after we die.

"I would think after we die" - Oracle..................

ScottA said:

But you go one step further to suggest that the written word of God has been compromised down through the ages, as if men could and have somehow hijacked God's word. By doing so, you may as well join Satan and cast doubt upon what God has said as he did with Eve in the garden

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Well I guess this is one area where we cannot agree, how can multiple version of the same book with different interpretation be the word of God, as if Gods word changes, It has being changed manipulated and corrupted by teh religious men of this world. His Word is Spirit it is Life it cannot be altered it cannot be destroyed. If you took every bible in this world to day, hard or soft copy and destroyed it, Gods word will still exist, and when men finally choose to seek Him, who is the Word of God come in the flesh, than they will have life, there is no life without Him.

jaybird said:

i would think after we die.

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Would you please provide me with biblical evidence for this statement? 'I would think' is personal opinion.

Dcopymope said:

"I would think after we die" - Oracle..................

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Wouldn't "what God thinks" make for something more certain than "I would think"?

OzSpen said:

Wouldn't "what God thinks" make for something more certain than "I would think"?

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Yes, if what he claims had any truth to it at all, he wouldn't be saying "I would think", he would be stating it as fact and backing it up with scripture. He can't because there is not a shred of truth to it. His every word sounds more like the Gnostic version of the transformation than the Biblical version, pretty much 100%, its easy to see. The Gnostics claim that we are to be unclothed from this current body, or tabernacle in place of a pure spiritual form which can only be obtained by death.

Paul on the other hand states that we are not going to be unclothed from this current earthly form at all, but instead will be FURTHER clothed with the tabernacle, or body from heaven, whether dead or alive. He says this mortal body that is of the first Adam will be taken and made immortal and compares it to the ressurected body of Jesus, the last Adam. At no point does scripture ever state that this current body will be shed off for another one. The old body will be taken and made new, its not a completely different body. The best way I can decribe it is kind of like Bumblebee taking his old 1967 Camaro form and transforming into a 2014 Camaro.

ScottA said:

...Better yet, how about we take our lead from God and stop wrestling with speculations?

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?
who's speculating here?
you know you are the font of truth, and i know you're a fairly evil nihilist,
no better or worse than anyone else.
So how bout you get over your superiority complex?
notice how every discussion with you ends up being about you?
and i mean every single one; try and find an exception

so i mean i have no problem pitying you, or even just feeling sympathy for you if that's what your going for, but frankly i'm tired of providing fodder for your irrelevant jumping-off points, wadr, while you skip any meaningful replies. Need an example lemme know k there's like 20 in my last 4-5 posts

Dcopymope said:

taking his old 1967 Camaro form and transforming into a 2014 Camaro.

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that would be a terrible waste imo, the '67 will be rolling when the '14 has been junked for years!

plus, we're supposedly regaining something lost right, shoulda went '14 back to '67!

Dcopymope said:

"I would think after we die" - Oracle..................

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?
"i would think" is not...it allows for other possibilities?
imo an oracle does not say "i think."

OzSpen said:

Wouldn't "what God thinks" make for something more certain than "I would think"?

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ah, now we're closing in on Oracle, see, when Some Guy assures you what God thinks. Not saying Oz has done that. yet

Dcopymope said:

Yes, if what he claims had any truth to it at all, he wouldn't be saying "I would think", he would be stating it as fact and backing it up with scripture.

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could you give me an example of something you believe is truth that can be backed up with Scripture?

choose carefully ok

could anyone give me an example of something you believe is truth that can be backed up with Scripture?

choose carefully ok. obviously there are no wrong answers here, but determining the truth of the matter is not the same thing, as we might see

mjrhealth said:

Well I guess this is one area where we cannot agree, how can multiple version of the same book with different interpretation be the word of God, as if Gods word changes, It has being changed manipulated and corrupted by teh religious men of this world. His Word is Spirit it is Life it cannot be altered it cannot be destroyed. If you took every bible in this world to day, hard or soft copy and destroyed it, Gods word will still exist, and when men finally choose to seek Him, who is the Word of God come in the flesh, than they will have life, there is no life without Him.

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We do not disagree, but in the beginning for many who hear of Him, even now He comes first as it is written. God's written word is still under His care, not forsaken, even if many are lead astray, which is not contradictory, but comme ci, comme ça: In the beginning God spoke directly through a few who then spoke to many and only a few heard. In the end God speaks to many but few hear. Either way, it is the Spirit who speaks, whether by good men of God, or by pure scripture, or by donkey. God is in complete control.