The context of 1 Thess 5:1

Heb 13:8 · Jun 21, 2018

Is 1 Thess 5:1 telling us that we do not need scripture, youtube or the internet to know when the Day of the Lord comes.

graphó: to write
Original Word: γράφω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: graphó
Phonetic Spelling: (graf'-o)
Short Definition: I write
Definition: I write; pass: it is written, it stands written (in the scriptures).

The Day of the Lord

1Now, brothers and sisters, about times and dates we do not need to write (graphó) to you, 2for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. 3While people are saying, “Peace and safety,” destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.

4But you, brothers and sisters, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief. 5You are all children of the light and children of the day. We do not belong to the night or to the darkness. 6So then, let us not be like others, who are asleep, but let us be awake and sober. 7For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk, get drunk at night. 8But since we belong to the day, let us be sober, putting on faith and love as a breastplate, and the hope of salvation as a helmet. 9For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. 10He died for us so that, whether we are awake or asleep, we may live together with him. 11Therefore encourage one another and build each other up, just as in fact you are doing.

- Heb

Enoch111 · Jun 21, 2018

Heb 13:8 said:
Is 1 Thess 5:1 telling us that we do not need scripture, youtube or the internet to know when the Day of the Lord comes.

The Day of Lord is a period of severe divine judgments. It is mentioned several times in the OT. As it says in this passage, it will come unexpectedly ("as a thief in the night") for those who are not children of God.

But as Paul has explained in 2 Thessalonians, there will be a series of things which will happen before then, the primary event being the revelation of the Antichrist and his blasphemous words and actions.

The Antichrist will set up the Abomination of Desolation (a massive idol) within the future temple to be built in Jerusalem. This will trigger the desolations, or devastations, which will come upon the earth as a result.

So the Day of the LORD coincides with the devastations of the Great Tribulation, which also coincides with the 6th and 7th seal judgments (with the 6th seal judgments following those of the 7th seal according to Matthew 24).

Heb 13:8 · Jun 21, 2018

Enoch111 said:
As it says in this passage, it will come unexpectedly ("as a thief in the night") for those who are not children of God.

Ok, but for those that are children of God, is 1 Thess 5:1 (verse 1) telling us that we do not need scripture, youtube or the internet to know when the Day of the Lord comes, via the OP. - Heb

Hidden In Him · Jun 21, 2018

Heb 13:8 said:
Ok, but for those that are children of God, is 1 Thess 5:1 (verse 1) telling us that we do not need scripture, youtube or the internet to know when the Day of the Lord comes, via the OP. - Heb

No. Paul's point was simply that they already knew. It's similar to what he told them in 2 Thessalonians 2:5. He knew they already knew about prophetic events that were coming because he had already told them. That's why he follows here in 1st Thessalonians with the words, "for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night..."

Hidden In Him · Jun 21, 2018

Heb 13:8 said:
Ok, but for those that are children of God, is 1 Thess 5:1 (verse 1) telling us that we do not need scripture, youtube or the internet to know when the Day of the Lord comes, via the OP. - Heb

I'm curious, though. Why were you asking? Sounds like an interesting conversation piece.

quietthinker · Jun 21, 2018

Enoch111 said:
The Antichrist will set up the Abomination of Desolation (a massive idol)

Have you noticed that the 'massive idol' is well in process of being set up? without geographical boundaries I might add.

Truth · Jun 21, 2018

Heb 13:8 said:
Is 1 Thess 5:1 telling us that we do not need scripture, youtube or the internet to know when the Day of the Lord comes.

graphó: to write
Original Word: γράφω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: graphó
Phonetic Spelling: (graf'-o)
Short Definition: I write
Definition: I write; pass: it is written, it stands written (in the scriptures).

The Day of the Lord

1Now, brothers and sisters, about times and dates we do not need to write (graphó) to you, 2for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. 3While people are saying, “Peace and safety,” destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.

4But you, brothers and sisters, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief. 5You are all children of the light and children of the day. We do not belong to the night or to the darkness. 6So then, let us not be like others, who are asleep, but let us be awake and sober. 7For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk, get drunk at night. 8But since we belong to the day, let us be sober, putting on faith and love as a breastplate, and the hope of salvation as a helmet. 9For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. 10He died for us so that, whether we are awake or asleep, we may live together with him. 11Therefore encourage one another and build each other up, just as in fact you are doing.

- Heb

I think Paul was relating to the living Oracles, OT Holy Convocation's, The how they rehearsed these is not written! They Just Knew, By being taught these Tradition's from Paul!

Heb 13:8 · Jun 21, 2018

Hidden In Him said:
No. Paul's point was simply that they already knew. It's similar to what he told them in 2 Thessalonians 2:5. He knew they already knew about prophetic events that were coming because he had already told them. That's why he follows here in 1st Thessalonians with the words, "for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night..."

Ok, so how would the thessalonican's not be surprised like a thief without believers on the internet warning them?

Heb 13:8 · Jun 21, 2018

Hidden In Him said:
I'm curious, though. Why were you asking? Sounds like an interesting conversation piece.

Can believers in 2018 just know when that day comes without the internet?

Hidden In Him · Jun 21, 2018

Heb 13:8 said:
Ok, so how would the Thessalonians not be surprised like a thief without believers on the internet warning them?

Heb 13:8 said:
Can believers in 2018 just know when that day comes without the internet?

Hmmm... well, I don't think they'll have to. I suppose the Lord would find ways to let His people know.... OH! I think I just realized what your point is.

So you're saying this prophecy would best only be fulfilled during our times because until the development of mass media the world would have had no way of being notified collectively. Is that what you're saying?

Enoch111 · Jun 21, 2018

Heb 13:8 said:
Ok, but for those that are children of God, is 1 Thess 5:1 (verse 1) telling us that we do not need scripture, youtube or the internet to know when the Day of the Lord comes, via the OP. - Heb

Do you know why? Because the Day of the Lord has nothing to do with the children of God, but everything to do with the children of disobedience. For the day of the LORD is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?

JOEL 2
1 Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand;

2 A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations.

3 A fire devoureth before them; and behind them a flame burneth: the land is as the garden of Eden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness; yea, and nothing shall escape them.

4 The appearance of them is as the appearance of horses; and as horsemen, so shall they run.

5 Like the noise of chariots on the tops of mountains shall they leap, like the noise of a flame of fire that devoureth the stubble, as a strong people set in battle array.

6 Before their face the people shall be much pained: all faces shall gather blackness.

7 They shall run like mighty men; they shall climb the wall like men of war; and they shall march every one on his ways, and they shall not break their ranks:

8 Neither shall one thrust another; they shall walk every one in his path: and when they fall upon the sword, they shall not be wounded.

9 They shall run to and fro in the city; they shall run upon the wall, they shall climb up upon the houses; they shall enter in at the windows like a thief.

10 The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining:

11 And the LORD shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the day of the LORD is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?

12T herefore also now, saith the LORD, turn ye even to me with all your heart, and with fasting, and with weeping, and with mourning:

13 And rend your heart, and not your garments, and turn unto the LORD your God: for he is gracious and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repenteth him of the evil.

Heb 13:8 · Jun 21, 2018

Hidden In Him said:
Hmmm... well, I don't think they'll have to. I suppose the Lord would find ways to let His people know.... OH! I think I just realized what your point is.

So you're saying this prophecy would best only be fulfilled during our times because until the development of mass media the world would have had no way of being notified collectively. Is that what you're saying?

Well, the Day of the Lord is still future, no? I'm not referring to the world, I'm referring to believers. 1 Thess 5:4 says they will not be surprised like a thief.

For example, what if Joe Bob who is a believer in Christ lives in the mountains and chooses not to have internet or tv. Not only that, but he no longer has any friends or family who are believers. The only thing he clings too is his Bible and his faith. Will Joe Bob be surprised like a thief because he didn't watch the right youtube video on the rapture or he didn't read the right article in a Christian magazine.

Because according to 1 Thess 5:1, 4, believers do not need scripture, times and seasons told to them when that day comes (the Day of the Lord).

Hidden In Him · Jun 22, 2018

Heb 13:8 said:
For example, what if Joe Bob who is a believer in Christ lives in the mountains and chooses not to have internet or tv. Not only that, but he no longer has any friends or family who are believers. The only thing he clings too is his Bible and his faith. Will Joe Bob be surprised like a thief because he didn't watch the right youtube video on the rapture or he didn't read the right article in a Christian magazine.

Well, he wouldn't need to watch Youtube videos or read Christian online magazines, but I do think he would be breaking scripture by not watching world events unfold. 1 Thessalonians 5:6 commands to watch and be sober, which is a reference to watching events taking place, especially in the land of Israel. It's similar to what Jesus commanded in Matthew 24 when he said, "When you see these things happening, know that the end is near, even at the door." (Matthew 24:32-33). It means they needed to be watching world events, so that when they saw the things he describes in Matthew 24:1-31 happening they would know the time was finally at hand.

Enoch111 · Jun 22, 2018

quietthinker said:
Have you noticed that the 'massive idol' is well in process of being set up? without geographical boundaries I might add.

Well you could certainly apply a metaphorical meaning to that idol, but Revelation 13 clearly shows that it is an "image" or idol of the Antichrist and/or Satan. Which gives its geographical boundary as the future temple at Jerusalem.

And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. (Rev 13:15)

Since the image of the beast is mentioned three times in one verse, God wants us to know without the shadow of a doubt that Daniel's "Abomination of Desolation" (mentioned by Christ in Matthew 24) is none other than the image or idol of the Beast (the Antichrist). This will be the most blasphemous idolatry to ever be practiced on earth.

larry2 · Jun 22, 2018

Heb 13:8 said:
The context of 1 Thess 5:1
Is 1 Thess 5:1 telling us that we do not need scripture, youtube or the internet to know when the Day of the Lord comes.

Can we use scripture?
1Th 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

It depends on who you ask. Many believe that the Apostle was physically in spirit on the first day of the week when he was shown Revelation. I and others think John was caught forward in spirit to the future time of what is known as the Day of the Lord, and from that point in time show three vision viewpoints we read of in Rev 1:19. Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter.

Heb 13:8 · Jun 22, 2018

Hidden In Him said:
Well, he wouldn't need to watch Youtube videos or read Christian online magazines, but I do think he would be breaking scripture by not watching world events unfold. 1 Thessalonians 5:6 commands to watch and be sober, which is a reference to watching events taking place, especially in the land of Israel. It's similar to what Jesus commanded in Matthew 24 when he said, "When you see these things happening, know that the end is near, even at the door." (Matthew 24:32-33). It means they needed to be watching world events, so that when they saw the things he describes in Matthew 24:1-31 happening they would know the time was finally at hand.

Wouldn't all the bad news in the world desensitize us though? Matt 6:22

Hidden In Him · Jun 22, 2018

Heb 13:8 said:
Wouldn't all the bad news in the world desensitize us though?

Yes, I suppose it certainly could. And I absolutely agree that all the prophetic gibberish on Youtube would. I don't watch any of it... although I'm just recalling that a friend sent me something that he holds as credible, which I'm supposed to be watching and haven't yet.

... but all the non-sense could absolutely desensitize a believer, yes. I think that was what Paul was addressing in 2 Thessalonians 2:2-3. His point was for them to know what the scriptures accurately taught, so as not to be deceived.

Are we anywhere closer to being on the same page yet, or no? I've had a tough time pinpointing your argument.

Heb 13:8 · Jun 22, 2018

Hidden In Him said:
And I absolutely agree that all the prophetic gibberish on Youtube would. I don't watch any of it... although I'm just recalling that a friend sent me something that he holds as credible, which I'm supposed to be watching and haven't yet. ...

I had studied the commentaries for 1 Thess 5:1, and watchfulness is mentioned a lot. That helped me out a bit. So what do you consider "watchfulness" as credible or scriptural if not youtube or the internet??

Hidden In Him said:
Are we anywhere closer to being on the same page yet, or no? I've had a tough time pinpointing your argument.

We're almost there.

Hidden In Him · Jun 22, 2018

Heb 13:8 said:
So what do you consider "watchfulness" as credible or scriptural if not youtube or the internet??

Well, not everything is trash. Some of it is useful, especially stuff that comes out of Christian or Jewish sources. What comes out of the AP is often heavily slanted, because much of the Western press is like the UN; very pro-Islam and anti-Israel, so they're hard to trust. But you just have to be led by the Spirit of God. If you seek God in prayer asking for the Holy Spirit to reveal all things to you, He will.

I should also say this: We still have a long ways to go, IMO. By the time the end is finally drawing closer, the true church (i.e. those who truly belong to Him) will be operating in far greater revelation from God than we do now, and they will know prophetically EVERYTHING that is coming long before it ever gets here, so nothing is going to be taking them by surprise. And those who are truly led by the Spirit will be led to the true church, so that all the various parts of His body on earth are being fed by the joints and sinews (i.e. various leaders in the church), who will in all likelihood probably be communicating, yes - via the internet, LoL. Does that bring us back to square #1, or what?

quietthinker · Jun 22, 2018

Enoch111 said:
This will be the most blasphemous idolatry to ever be practiced on earth.

How does one determine the 'most' part of blaspheme?

The context of 1 Thess 5:1

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