The Seven Last Plagues

[Hobie]

The Seven Last Plagues are sent by God from heaven, angels pour out vials of His wraith upon the face of the earth, and they are laid out..
Grievous sores
Fresh water sources become like blood
Oceans also become like blood
The sun scorching men with great heat
A great darkness
The Euphrates River drying up and unclean spirits
And a destructive earthquake.

The Bible doesn’t give us a specific date for these plagues, but it does say that just before the second coming of Jesus, they will befall on the earth. They are similar to the plagues that fell on Egypt and will happen in the last days. They came just before the Jews were freed from slavery much like the saints are going to be freed from the bondage of sin at the second coming. So lets look at them, with SOP and scripture on the Seven Last Plagues...

Daniel 12:1-2 King James Version (KJV)
1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

The plagues fall AFTER the close of probation. Dan. 12:1-2

Revelation 16:1-16 King James Version (KJV)
1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.
2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.
3 And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.
4 And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood.
5 And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus.
6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.
7 And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.
8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.
9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.
10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,
11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

Plagues 1 to 4 are NOT universal. Rev. 16:1-11, and Plagues 5 is on the seat of the beast and the 6th plague you see the gathering of the" kings of the earth and of the WHOLE world" to the battle of Armageddon is universal. Revelation 16:14,16.

Revelation 16:17-21 King James Version (KJV)
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.
19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.
21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.

The 7th plague - A great earthquake, "the cities of the nation fell", "every island fled away, and the mountains were not found"- is universal and is the last and certainly is a time such as never was. Verses 17-21.

We see the plagues are cumulative as the "sores" of the first plague still continue when the 5th plague falls, and are successive as they are poured out one after another in a short time.

The 'seven last plagues' and the 'time such as never was' are looking at the same events, as we can see how Daniel is looking at the end times and compare to its verse on the resurrection of the saints versus the wicked. Daniel 12 verse 2 clearly tells you, as it points to the resurrection at the Second Coming..

Daniel 12:2 King James Version (KJV)
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

John 5:28-29 King James Version (KJV)
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

 

[Writer]

The Seven Angels with the Bowles and the Seven Angels with the Trumpets occur during the Great Tribulation.

If you read the Sixth Bowl and the Sixth Angel they descend at the exact same place, and at the exact same time, for one purpose, and that is to dry up the Euphrates River to allow the Armies of Hell's minions to ride through the valley of Megiddo and onward to Armageddon.

Remember, Jesus is descending at His second coming here, the world can see this sign the Holy Spirit tells us and especially the beast, his false prophet, and the dragon of old. Instead of realizing they're finished, they charge when they see His coming, and Jesus commands these angels to give them passage in order that Jesus Himself will remove them from among the living.

Now go read carefully the actual event described in Revelation. If at the Sixth Trumpet and Bowl we see the 1st beast leading the charge, then that means he is also in the 5th, 4th, 3rd, 2nd and 1st where he begins his persecution of the Saints of the Most High God.

Again, understand carefully here, the Holy Spirit says this, If Jesus had not cut the days short, even the elect would have been deceived. We see Jesus Elect at His second coming when He calls them unto Himself while still descending and meets them in the clouds. Perhaps between 10 to 20 thousand feet up or more, so everyone can see this event; and then the trumpet blast.

Ok, so Jesus returns because His body is about to get genocide. This beast is the most maniacal of all the dictators that has ever lived in history. "...even the elect would have been deceived" if Jesus doesn't cut the days short. The maniac is the most powerful sorcerer that ever lived and Jesus must intervene as when He intervened to knock Saul/Peter off his horse and said "Saul, why are you persecuting me"? Because Saul was attempting to destroy Jesus body. We are His body indeed. The Holy Spirit from God's word says about this one, he is the master of deception.

While the beast is persecuting believers, yet God attempts to bring the plagues down on the world in order that still some might come to repentance when they see God's wrath about to bring judgment upon them, and the power He is bringing that will destroy this beast.

The Seventh Trumpet and Bowl will mark the "...end of the age" as Jesus referenced it, and will start the clock in the Millennium.

 

[Jay Ross]

The Seven Last Plagues are sent by God from heaven, angels pour out vials of His wraith upon the face of the earth, and they are laid out..
Grievous sores
Fresh water sources become like blood
Oceans also become like blood
The sun scorching men with great heat
A great darkness
The Euphrates River drying up and unclean spirits
And a destructive earthquake.

The Bible doesn’t give us a specific date for these plagues, but it does say that just before the second coming of Jesus, they will befall on the earth.

Hobbie, as usual you have everything back to front.

This is the order that they will happen in:

Seventh Bowl Judgement. Has already happened.

17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was great turmoil, (WW1), such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty the turmoil, (WW2) and so great.
19 And the great city, (Jerusalem), was divided into three parts, (1948) and the cities of the nations fell 9during WW1): and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath. (1926)
20 And every island fled away, Nations and countries forged new relationships, and the religions were not found. (Decline in religious worship within Christian countries.)
21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great. (WW1 and WW2)

Sixth Bowl judgement. Is presently unfolding

12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, (Baal worship disappeared), that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, (Has already happened in 2001-9-11. Often referred to as the 9-11 attack on the USA) to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty( The preparation of the gathering of the Kings of the earth is happening now)
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame. (The falling apart of the Church)
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon. (The judgement of the Kings at Armageddon in around 20 years time at the end of this present age)

Then there is a 1,000 year gap in the bowl/vail judgements.

Fifth to the First Bowl Judgement. Will occur when the Bottomless pit is unlocked, over a period of 20-30 years
Fifth
10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,
11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.
Fourth
8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.
9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.
Third
4 And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood.
5 And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus.
6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.
7 And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.
Second
3 And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.
First
Happens just after the False Prophets influence all of the people to worship the Beast and its image.
2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.

But this is the way I look at how the order of the Bowl/Vial Judgements will unfold.

Shalom

PS: - It is my view that the Great tribulation will occur sometime during the Little While period when the Bottomless pit is unlocked and the Kings of the earth are released for five months, followed by the Beast and then the False prophet and then Satan at the end after both the Beast and the false Prophet are captured and dispatched into the Lake of Fire which is the punishment that they have been waiting for after many days will have pasted. (Isaiah 24:21-22)

 

[Truth7t7]

The Seven Last Plagues are sent by God from heaven, angels pour out vials of His wraith upon the face of the earth, and they are laid out..
Grievous sores
Fresh water sources become like blood
Oceans also become like blood
The sun scorching men with great heat
A great darkness
The Euphrates River drying up and unclean spirits
And a destructive earthquake.

The Bible doesn’t give us a specific date for these plagues, but it does say that just before the second coming of Jesus, they will befall on the earth. They are similar to the plagues that fell on Egypt and will happen in the last days. They came just before the Jews were freed from slavery much like the saints are going to be freed from the bondage of sin at the second coming. So lets look at them, with SOP and scripture on the Seven Last Plagues...

Daniel 12:1-2 King James Version (KJV)
1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

The plagues fall AFTER the close of probation. Dan. 12:1-2

Revelation 16:1-16 King James Version (KJV)
1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.
2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.
3 And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.
4 And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood.
5 And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus.
6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.
7 And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.
8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.
9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.
10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,
11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

Plagues 1 to 4 are NOT universal. Rev. 16:1-11, and Plagues 5 is on the seat of the beast and the 6th plague you see the gathering of the" kings of the earth and of the WHOLE world" to the battle of Armageddon is universal. Revelation 16:14,16.

Revelation 16:17-21 King James Version (KJV)
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.
19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.
21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.

The 7th plague - A great earthquake, "the cities of the nation fell", "every island fled away, and the mountains were not found"- is universal and is the last and certainly is a time such as never was. Verses 17-21.

We see the plagues are cumulative as the "sores" of the first plague still continue when the 5th plague falls, and are successive as they are poured out one after another in a short time.

The 'seven last plagues' and the 'time such as never was' are looking at the same events, as we can see how Daniel is looking at the end times and compare to its verse on the resurrection of the saints versus the wicked. Daniel 12 verse 2 clearly tells you, as it points to the resurrection at the Second Coming..

Daniel 12:2 King James Version (KJV)
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

John 5:28-29 King James Version (KJV)
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

The plagues seen in Revelation chapter 16 will be brought by the (Two Witnesses) of Revelation chapter 11, pretty simple

The 3.5 year tribulation will be a remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt

Revelation 11:6KJV
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

 

[Hobie]

The Seven Angels with the Bowles and the Seven Angels with the Trumpets occur during the Great Tribulation.

If you read the Sixth Bowl and the Sixth Angel they descend at the exact same place, and at the exact same time, for one purpose, and that is to dry up the Euphrates River to allow the Armies of Hell's minions to ride through the valley of Megiddo and onward to Armageddon.

Remember, Jesus is descending at His second coming here, the world can see this sign the Holy Spirit tells us and especially the beast, his false prophet, and the dragon of old. Instead of realizing they're finished, they charge when they see His coming, and Jesus commands these angels to give them passage in order that Jesus Himself will remove them from among the living.

Now go read carefully the actual event described in Revelation. If at the Sixth Trumpet and Bowl we see the 1st beast leading the charge, then that means he is also in the 5th, 4th, 3rd, 2nd and 1st where he begins his persecution of the Saints of the Most High God.

Again, understand carefully here, the Holy Spirit says this, If Jesus had not cut the days short, even the elect would have been deceived. We see Jesus Elect at His second coming when He calls them unto Himself while still descending and meets them in the clouds. Perhaps between 10 to 20 thousand feet up or more, so everyone can see this event; and then the trumpet blast.

Ok, so Jesus returns because His body is about to get genocide. This beast is the most maniacal of all the dictators that has ever lived in history. "...even the elect would have been deceived" if Jesus doesn't cut the days short. The maniac is the most powerful sorcerer that ever lived and Jesus must intervene as when He intervened to knock Saul/Peter off his horse and said "Saul, why are you persecuting me"? Because Saul was attempting to destroy Jesus body. We are His body indeed. The Holy Spirit from God's word says about this one, he is the master of deception.

While the beast is persecuting believers, yet God attempts to bring the plagues down on the world in order that still some might come to repentance when they see God's wrath about to bring judgment upon them, and the power He is bringing that will destroy this beast.

The Seventh Trumpet and Bowl will mark the "...end of the age" as Jesus referenced it, and will start the clock in the Millennium.

Well, we are seeing the signs of it if you look and see. One of the teachers took us out to the ocean in his boat back in the day, and showed us a strange phenomenon, red tide. He told us this is what will happen when the sea turns to blood, I brushed it off at the time, but now we are seeing the spread of red tide killing everything in the sea and the canals have filled with green gunk to a level I have never seen in all my years.... and its not just in one place.

Revelation 16:3

And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLV27fEPdHY toxic red tide...

Red Tides on the Rise Worldwide

Scientists around the globe are studying the baffling increase in harmful algal blooms

www.csmonitor.com

 

[Truth7t7]

Seventy Bowl Judgement. Has already happened.

17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

The 7th vial is the end of this world, just as the 7th trump is the end of this world, they're parallel teachings of the same event, there isn't any time left on this earth after the words (It Is Done)

 

[Jay Ross]

The 7th vial is the end of this world, just as the 7th trump is the end of this world, they're parallel teachings of the same event, there isn't any time left on this earth after the words (It Is Done)

Your disagreement is based, it seems, on the words, "(It Is Done)."

The problem we both have is what do the words, "It is done" mean and what event is it saying that it is done at that time.

Perhaps you could enlighten me as to what you believe has happened which is now done?

 

[Truth7t7]

Your disagreement is based, it seems, on the words, "(It Is Done)."

The problem we both have is what do the words, "It is done" mean and what event is it saying that it is done at that time.

Perhaps you could enlighten me as to what you believe has happened which is now done?

Thanks for the response Jay

(It Is Done) means (The End) of this world Can't be more clear, the seven vials and seven trumps are the same events in parallel teachings of (The End)

The book of Revelation is observed in parallel teachings of same events, the battle seen in Chapters 16, 19, 20, are the same battle in parallel teachings

You could read Revelation 11:18 & Revelation 20:12, they're the same event of the final judgement in (The End)

Many teach the book of Revelation is observed in chronological order, this is "False"

The Final Judgement In Parallel Teachings

Revelation 11:18KJV
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Revelation 20:12KJV
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

 

[ewq1938]

The Bible doesn’t give us a specific date for these plagues, but it does say that just before the second coming of Jesus, they will befall on the earth.

The vials of wrath are poured when Christ returns, not before the return.

The 7th trump is when Christ returns.

Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Rev 11:16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
Rev 11:17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Here is clearly states God's wrath has come after the 7th trump sounds. Clearly God's wrath hadn't been coming for a long time before this or else the statement would be meaningless.



Another reason why the bowls/vials are part of the 7th trump:



Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Rev 11:16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
Rev 11:17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
Rev 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.


We see these same things when the last one is poured:



Rev 16:17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
Rev 16:18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.
Rev 16:19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
Rev 16:20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.
Rev 16:21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.

The exact same things and both ending with a great hail storm:

Rev 11 7th trump "there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail"

Rev 16 "there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake" "a great hail out of heaven"

The same exact things because it's the same time frame. Keep in mind Revelation is not chronological in nature. It jumps around and re-visits the same time frame like here.


Rev 15:1 And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God.


Not to mention the plagues are last, coinciding with the last trump.



The vials are actually poured out in the time frame of these verses.

Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Rev 11:16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
Rev 11:17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
Rev 11:19 *And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament:


Here is the same timing of those verses:

Rev 15:5 And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened:
Rev 15:6 And the seven angels came out of the temple, having the seven plagues, clothed in pure and white linen, and having their breasts girded with golden girdles.
Rev 15:7 And one of the four beasts gave unto the seven angels seven golden vials full of the wrath of God, who liveth for ever and ever.
Rev 15:8 And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God, and from his power; and no man was able to enter into the temple, till the seven plagues of the seven angels were fulfilled.



Rev 11:19 *And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament:

Rev 15:5 And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened:



Here we see the temple opened in both passages and both speaking of the wrath of God. 7th trump: and thy wrath is come Rev 15: vials full of the wrath of God. Same timeframe.

 

[Douggg]

The vials of wrath are poured when Christ returns, not before the return.

The 7th trump is when Christ returns.

Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Rev 11:16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
Rev 11:17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Here is clearly states God's wrath has come after the 7th trump sounds. Clearly God's wrath hadn't been coming for a long time before this or else the statement would be meaningless.

ewq1938, which woe to the inhabiters of the earth is this.... ?

Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

 

[Davidpt]

The vials of wrath are poured when Christ returns, not before the return.

I'm not certain if I can agree entirely with that, based on the following, for one.

Revelation 16:8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.
9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.

Though, they repented not, apparently repenting is still an option at this point. Otherwise, why mention repenting, period? Do you then think that after Christ has bodily returned, repenting is still an option? But who in their right mind would refuse to repent at that point if they could still do that after Christ has bodily returned? Yet, the text clearly says they repented not.

It is then matter of, what seems more reasonable? That everything you submitted after you said the above, proves what you said? Or that it doesn't since it is not reasonable for anyone to not repent after Christ has bodily returned assuming if they still have the option to repent at that point.

 

[Douggg]

The seven trumpet judgements and the seven vials of God's wrath, all take place during the great tribulation.

The great tribulation begins when the abomination of desolation is set up, Daniel 12:11-12, 1335 days before Jesus returns, i.e on day 1185 of the 7 year timeline. Shown on my chart below..

 

[Davidpt]

The seven trumpet judgements and the seven vials of God's wrath, all take place during the great tribulation.

The great tribulation begins when the abomination of desolation is set up, Daniel 12:11-12, 1335 days before Jesus returns, i.e on day 1185 of the 7 year timeline. Shown on my chart below..




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Great tribulation is already in the past when the last 7 vials of wrath commence. Great tribulation is involving satan's wrath upon the church, not God's wrath upon anyone instead. Your charts don't prove anything one way or the other. All they are are charts with your opinions baked into them. Since there is no one else on this entire planet, past, present, or future, that I'm aware of, that sees all these same things exactly like you do, we are then to believe that you are the only one on this entire planet that has all of these things figured out? If you think that is the case, that comes off as pretty arrogant, don't you think, that only Douggg has all of these things figured out, not just some of these things, all of these things? And his charts prove it.

 

[Douggg]

Great tribulation is already in the past when the last 7 vials of wrath commence. Great tribulation is involving satan's wrath upon the church, not God's wrath upon anyone instead. Your charts don't prove anything one way or the other. All they are are charts with your opinions baked into them. Since there is no one else on this entire planet, past, present, or future, that I'm aware of, that sees all these same things exactly like you do, we are then to believe that you are the only one on this entire planet that has all of these things figured out? If you think that is the case, that comes off as pretty arrogant, don't you think, that only Douggg has all of these things figured out, not just some of these things, all of these things? And his charts prove it.

Okay, David, I will walk you through why the great tribulation will involve both God's wrath and Satan's wrath.

First, Matthew 24:15-21, Jesus said that the great tribulation will begin when the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet is standing in the holy place. In those verses, it does not say anything about God's wrath, nor Satan's wrath - agreed ?

Next, we go to Daniel 12:11-12, the abomination of desolation set-up, involving time frames of 1290 days and 1335 days. So we know that the great tribulation will last 1335 days, the greater of the two.

Next we go to Revelation 8:13 to know the 7th angel sounding announces the third woe to the inhabiters of the earth.

Next we go to Revelation 11:15-18, and the 7th angel sounds. There is rejoicing in heaven in verses 16-17.

In verse 18, the time of God's wrath has come it says in the text, when the 7th angel sounds.

Next we go to Revelation 12:12, to learn what is the third woe announced by the 7th angel. The third woe is Satan cast down to earth having great wrath. So Satan's wrath also begins when the 7th angel sounds.

Satan's little time left in Revelation 12:14 is a time/times/half time.

So from the text of the walk through - it can be known that the great tribulation is 1335 days long, beginning when the abomination of desolation is setup.

Within that 1335 day long great tribulation - during the last part of it - the time/times/half time - will be both God's wrath and Satan's wrath taking place.

(my charts were made because I love God, and He has by grace opened my understanding to many aspects of the end times. my charts were not made to stroke my ego. So please stop with that sort of noise)

 

[ewq1938]

ewq1938, which woe to the inhabiters of the earth is this.... ?

Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

It's before the trib which happens in the 6th woe trump so the only possibility could be the 5th trump but the word "woe" can be used without relation to a woe trump as well.

 

[ewq1938]

I'm not certain if I can agree entirely with that, based on the following, for one.

Revelation 16:8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.
9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.

Though, they repented not, apparently repenting is still an option at this point. Otherwise, why mention repenting, period? Do you then think that after Christ has bodily returned, repenting is still an option?

It says repented not to give him glory not repent of their sins.

 

[Douggg]

It's before the trib which happens in the 6th woe trump so the only possibility could be the 5th trump but the word "woe" can be used without relation to a woe trump as well.

The great tribulation begins 1335 days before Jesus returns, Daniel 12:11-12.

The 5th trumpet is the first woe shown to John. The 6th trumpet is the second woe shown to John. The 7th trumpet is the third woe shown to John.

"Woe to the inhabiters of the earth" in Revelation 8:13 is a unique phrase - not just a single word. In Revelation 12:12...

12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

Satan cast down to earth is the falling star who opens the bottomless pit to release the locust creatures. Maybe I should improve my chart to line the fifth trumpet up better with Satan being cast down.

 

[Douggg]

@ ewq1938

I worked on my chart, to try and improve it. What do you think?

 

[ewq1938]

The great tribulation begins 1335 days before Jesus returns, Daniel 12:11-12.

No, the time is 42 months according to Rev 13.

"Woe to the inhabiters of the earth" in Revelation 8:13 is a unique phrase - not just a single word. In Revelation 12:12...

"woe" is a three lettered word.

Satan cast down to earth is the falling star who opens the bottomless pit to release the locust creatures.

Satan is not the angel who has the key to the pit/prison. Who would give a key to a prison to satan and REv 20 shows that the angel with the key is not satan, coming from heaven where satan is unable to go.

Maybe I should improve my chart to line the fifth trumpet up better with Satan being cast down.

satan falling from heaven is a better fit for the 3rd trump.

Revelation 8:10 And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters;
Revelation 8:11 And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.




This is satan. he is that great star which burned like a lamp...brightness...that's what his name also means:

lucifer
1966

01966 heylel {hay-lale'}

from 01984 (in the sense of brightness ); TWOT - 499a; n m

AV - Lucifer 1; 1

Lucifer = "light-bearer"
1) shining one, morning star, Lucifer
1a) of the king of Babylon and Satan (fig.)
2) (TWOT) 'Helel' describing the king of Babylon


He was the shining morning star...so when he is cast out he is described as a great star that was shining brightly like a lamp when
he fell.

Wormwood is also a reference to satan because he is bitterness and is poison to God's children. There is no other that the third trump can
be speaking of.


Luke 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.



lightning
796

796 astrape {as-trap-ay'}

from 797; TDNT - 1:505,86; n f

AV - lightning 8, light shining 1; 9

1) lightning
1a) of the gleam of a lamp


"the gleam of a lamp"

Revelation 8:10 And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters;
Revelation 8:11 And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.

"burning as it were a lamp"

Christ himself documenting satans fall in the 3rd trump.

 

[ewq1938]

@ ewq1938

I worked on my chart, to try and improve it. What do you think?

I don't care for charts as they make things more confusing rather than easier to understand something.