Israel is the Church
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I guess that is where we differ. My faith is built on facts.
The facts found in God's Word.
The fact that God spoke creation into existence.
The fact of 100's of fulfilled prophecies.
The fact that God cannot lie.
The fact of the Virgin birth.
The fact that we are all born in sin and need saving from our sin.
The fact that there is an eternal hell.
The fact that Jesus is God in the flesh.
The fact that He lived a life fulfilling all the demands of the law in my stead.
The fact that He died for mankind's sins.
The fact that He rose from the dead on the third day.
The fact that He offers forgiveness and eternal life to all who call upon Him.
The fact that He bestows true life to as many as receive Him.
The fact that He is coming again to judge the world. etc.
No, this is not a privatized faith, where truth is as how you see fit, but God has revealed Himself in absolute terms and facts.
without the facts of God's Word you run the risk of calling upon another jesus, an existential jesus of your own choosing.
Yes, we most certainly differ, but perhaps not as you suggest. I am, I guess like you a Bible reader. For many years I have been reading the Bible, all of it [66 books]. I read from it 7 days a week and have done so for years without missing a day. But you see, that is simply eating the flesh of Jesus as I understand it [John 6:53]. Without also drinking the blood it will remain undigested bits of dead carcass within us
The dead carcass if quickened in us then for us in that measure becomes the Word of God in us. The Book with the Spirit is dead and the Word of God is NOT dead.
I agree that we do have some facts, but I would not attempt to list them all as you have done, for I would likely make some mistakes.
We live for God by faith, not by knowledge, at least not a lot of knowledge initially that we can easily and definitely separate from our erroneous beliefs. We are probably, [all of us on this forum claiming to be believers], not better than a mixture of things we believe and things we know about God. The problem is we are still live by faith. A definite line cannot be drawn by any of us between what we believe in error and those things in our beliefs that would be what you call facts. However the end of our time is coming. If we faint not and endure with Him to the end of our course... hmmm?
"Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God." Heb 12:2
Jesus will finish the work in us if we do too often quench the Holy Spirit within us. At the finish of that work I might venture to say... but I won't. I will simply quote another scripture with regard to our vision and what it can become:
"Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is." I John 3:2
I have never seen any Christian, type of the new age skin heads, have you ? not to mention what they are carrying on about claiming to be Nazis is a joke, they are just a bunch of morons who know bugger all and are just another bunch of socialist thugs, just like any other socialist are but just stupider.Yeah,no kidding, that will be the day declaring himself "a true Jew" in front of a mob of Anti-semitic Nazi skin-heads--and as we see below in his response, that will also be the day when Dave L. actually responds to our posts without just completely ignoring them and SAYING something COMPLETELY UNRELATED instead Lol! As in his response to your above comment I put down below where he simply IGNORED you.
I'd also like to see the likes of Dave L. go up to some ISIS Jihadis and tell them he is the real Jew- the real Israel! ya - not going to happen.
The people who created ISIS are Talmud controlled for their own ends, ISIS has never went out of their way and attacked the Jews, have they ? it look like ISIS is a Talmud creation.
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I agree the neo-Nazis are not Christians.
But the Jews created Isis? What have you been sniffing and smoking?
Romans 10:17 NKJV
[17] So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
You know, you lost me. I'm not sure why you felt compelled to respond to my post in the first place.
Jesus often said, "IT IS WRITTEN", but to you that is a dead carcass?
Oh man why do I bother?.....You really need to read more carefully and have obviously have no clue what at all I was referencing or what you are talking about.
I never said a that skin heads were christian. I'm sure even explaining it , you won't get it.
& your comment about Isis being controlled by Jews shows complete ignorance or utter stupidity.
Hope you realize I never said neo nazis were christian, the commenter was completely out in left field, like he didn't even read my post.
What it is in fact is, that the majority are not Born Again, so you have the powers of Satan at hand as such.
If You ever get truly Born Again you may understand the Bible and comprehend that Jesus is the Christ, not to mention that one shall only follow in him. or one is lost !
I do say that the whole world is under Satan's power and it's only become maybe 1000 times more so now than ever
, I can remember back to the 60's bro and for sure Satanic people are everywhere in total control of all the Churches nowadays and that is clearly the case. I remember when the subject came up about Jews in the 4 different Church denominations that I was getting about with doing Bible study etc, but they never idolised the so called Jews until about the 1990's that such moronic crap started to get traction
. so yes I do speak out to anyone regardless and I don't care less what people think about me, that's think ? what they know is another thing ? people can think anything but it comes down to what do they truly know for a fact that I have an interest in. I understand what and who the Jews are in fact, but it's the majority who truly have no idea truly about what they are talking about, because they have been mislead by the works of Satan.
Most people claim that I am a Jew because of my sir name
? they are all fools ! who are totally lost as to the subject, when I inform them that I am a Christian, they reject such directly ? now why is that ? fact is that all such people are not truly Christians at all, because they do not understand what it is to be a true Christian in fact.When one is truly Born Again you are as one with Jesus Christ, you are at home base so to speak as to God.
So you see now all outside of that are lost in fact regardless of who they are. race does not come into it at all. but the Holy Spirit is the power, not any of mans works at all.
God wants all people to come to Jesus to be saved regardless of race and any claims of some sort of idolised race like that claimed to be the so called Jews is just totally insane.
If you had a handle on the Bible you would know that the Jews were nothing without God and the same goes with all people, so you get in tune with God and all is good as Satan's powers are less in control over the people in leading them astray.
The Jews history proves that every time they turned their back on God they failed, not to mention that the people had no power worth a cracker without God, why do you think that the Prophets came ? they were sent by God ! the people were lost.
What Satan is doing is trying to make out that the Jews are a power in themselves, but history proves they were never such at all.
Jesus Christ is the King of Israel and his servants are Israel in fact because they serve him, (Israel means servants of God) so if you do not serve Jesus Christ you are a Anti-Christ and will go to Hell and anyone who does not understand that fact is not to be trusted at all, because they are on a mans works trip.
All that anyone need do regardless of their race is come to Jesus Christ, the Jews are no exception to the rule, just as you should know that the true Jews did come to Jesus back in the days.
Sadly for you but the devil is in the detail just because you are ignorant does not excuse you.
You would not know a true Jew for a false one or understand the difference of such.
Isis is controlled by Satan and it's the Talmud that is at the top of the heap in such control, the real Jews don't support the Talmud or the Zionist Nazi types thugs and many have came out and demonstrated that fact, if you would only bother to look into such facts.
The majority of goyim are that stupid that they can not fathom anything past that Jews are Jews, as if all are the cast as in the same mould
as if all Jews think exactly the same, how pathetic can you be.Hey try me and see if I get it ! fact is I point out something and it's you who does not understand.
I was pointing out that regardless of who it is I will point them out for what they are.
I am not against the True Jews but will point out who is not true, but Satanist and Socialist do not like the truth, so they work to hide the truth and make up false dribble, trying to twist and turn things so that the uneducated on a subject are mislead or even angered at the one telling the truth of the matter, just as such Satanist did with Jesus, so as to get him killed.
Amen!
You said that we differed and I was agreeing and trying explain the differences that I saw. I guess I did not communicate.
Jesus was dead on the cross, a dead carcass, until he resurrected! The Book of scriptures is like Jesus dead on the cross prior to His resurrection.
"Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;
Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life." II Cor 3:5-6
Without the Holy Spirit quickening them the scriptures that we read are dead within us.
I will reply to your garbage of you claiming that my beliefs and attitude towards the Jewish people etc dribble, is not the case at all.
I believe that the Satanic Talmud worked it's game play over the people and got them to dance to their tune.
Now I remember old Jews back in the 1960's who had the Nazi camp numbers on their arm, when talking about the war were saying that they were angered at the UK because they were in fact the problem due to the 6 million Jews getting killed, Hitler wanted them to go to the land you call Israel, now their was all different types of Jews in Germany that you best understand, who is who ? you have one mob that were kicked out of Russia to deal with and then the Jews who had been in Germany for over a 1000 years etc but Hitler said that if you were a Jew 3 times removed like himself you were a German and then their is the ones who were 2ed removed or were other types of Jews, now if you know history you will find that only certain types of Jews were allowed into all Country's, that's the UK and Denmark etc, you name it they all had laws on immigration going back more than a 100 years and beyond even Hitler was born about what type of Jew could come in or not.
Fact is that the Zionist are Socialist as are the Nazis and the two were controlled by the Satanic Talmud, they were all as one in leading the people astray and they worked hand in hand to kill the true Jews, because the true Jews knew what they were talking about and were a threat to exposing the Talmud Zionist madness and they did not want to leave Germany as who would want to live is such a crappy place as your so called Israel ? with Islam next door and just rocks and sand.
parse !Now not to mention that them old Jews pointed out that Churchill did nothing to save them Jews at all. as he was serving the Talmud Whore and his banker mates to win markets that they wanted to control. so you had a war for their ends and the average UK person was offered up as fodder as was all the other people in order to serve the Satanic Talmud, who claims to be a Jew but is nothing but a Satanic force that leads the whole world astray. and it's they that have turned the whole world up side down into a degenerate Satanic trashy filth monger people, who have turned their backs on Jesus Christ. not to mention peddle this new age Jewish god nonsense, how stupid can people get, they are brainwashed dupes just like the German Nazis were, only problem is we don't have one excuses at all for it.
I can understand the German Nazis and the UK etc being lead astray in the days, but we don't have a leg to stand on, we have no excuse at all for being mislead.
We are like great fat slobs who are just so self indulged, sitting in front of the TV that is just like a sewer in your lounge room.
Yes, the Holy Spirit is essential in enlightening our undertanding to His Word...even His written Word. You cannot ivorce the written Word from the Holy Spirit, after all He is it's Author.
That verse in 2Cor 3 which you misinterpreted is actually comparing the ministration of the Gospel with that of the Mosaic Law. It actually goes hand in hand with ...
John 1:16-17 (KJV) And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
It comes close to blasphemy to say "the Book of Scriptures is like Jesus dead on the cross".
Don't you realize many martyrs were burned at the stake in translating and defending God's Word (a dead carcass as you call it) by a Religion that attempted to keep the Bible untranslated so only their priests could handle it? I am glad for those translators without whose work we would be wound up in deep superstitions and fears, chanting in monasteries or paying indulgences to getting our loved ones less time in purgatory. His Word sets us free from such nonsense, especially the nonsense about His written Word being a dead corpse.
Believers who read the Bible without walking in the Spirit as they do so get nothing "good" from it.
The interpretation you use for II Cor 3 is an old one and may also contain truth, but I would discard the other out of hand. You say the one I presented is a misinterpretation, but you know that how? Because some well studied theologians said it or because God spoke to your heart.
My beliefs are really mine. I have of course heard things from many preachers over the years... taking some on and setting some aside, but where I am is where God has led me as I followed. I have certainly taken a wrong turn here and there along the way... sometimes badly... But I really believe that the only real increases in the things of God come from God. I check myself daily during my prayer and Bible reading time by always letting myself return to the lowest room setting aside every previously held belief and doctrine and then allowing God to elevate me again as He sees fit. Of course, He is not finished with me yet.
Close to blasphemy? The Bible on a shelf that no one ever opens never saves anyone. It is effectively dead until some person partakes of it and Holy Spirit opens it up... that is quickens it [brings it to Life] within the person. In a nation which must have many millions of written Bibles why is it that such a small number regularly open one of them every day and partake of it?
People are more faithful to take the dead meat of a cow and consume until it comes to carnal as part of his own body of flesh. People will do that every day without fail and sometimes several times a day. And you speak of blasphemy when many of those same people who would not miss a meal of such the dead natural meat sit on a pew every week for an hour or so and never HEAR the Word of God.
And Jesus spoke to people in parables and most of his hearers did not understand what He was saying. The martyrs of whom you speak walked in the Spirit so the Book to them was not dead because what they read was quickened within them by the Holy Spirit.
Just possessing a Bible won't help us at all if we never read it with understanding. The understanding comes from God even as the inspiration for the writers who wrote it came from God. Why was it that Jesus spoke in parables?
"And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand." Matt 13:10-13
The interpreter of the parables for those who walked close to Him 2000 years was Jesus. Now the interpreter for us is the Holy Spirit and without the Holy Spirit what should people be doing?
"But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God." I Cor 14:28
That means, without the Holy Spirit, we should keep our mouths closed:
"To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:" Ecc 3:1
"... a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;" Ecc 3:7
You are simply a just a Conspiracy theory lover and a Jew hater - anti-semite. Your views are appalling & don't reflect scripture or biblical Christianity. May God show you mercy & remove your blindness & hatred. Don't bother responding reggie, I find your unChristian opinions more vile and loathsome every time you post of your hatred for Jews. This is exactly what was done in Germany prior to WW2 dehumanize, characterize the Jews as evil and it lead to genocide & gas chambers.
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I have to chuckle when people use Scripture in their attempt to downplay Scripture. Rome is famous for that.
Chuckle away! But consider what I wrote and what the scripture says and what God means. Because they too often quench the Holy Spirit people assume and presume that their doctrine is correct and everyone else's doing the same thing is wrong. What Solomon wrote 3000 years ago still applies today.
"Every way of a man is right in his own eyes: but the LORD pondereth the hearts." Prov 21:2
The only way a man can always be in accord with the Lord is to always be yielded to and walking the Holy Spirit. Each time and for as long as he quenches the Holy Spirit, he is following the conclusions of his own flesh even with regard to what he reads in scripture.
Men, at times with the best of intentions, program their church services days and weeks ahead of time and if God wants to intervene and do something different He has been limited by man today even as He was limited by ancient Israel. They simply have limited the ways in which can communicate and act, but they would say it is OK because "I am saved already and cannot lose my salvation"...
With your finger pointing at me, four are pointing back at you. I have been walking with the Lord 45 years, having been snatched out of drugs and Eastern Mysticism among other junk. Your words remind me too much of the non Christian mystics I've encountered. Thanks for your time...but no thanks.
