1 Corinthians 2 is so abused

bbyrd009 said:

aw, I feel bad for you charity, you are just so sure now and you refuse to see what your demeanor is going to turn to I guess huh, when you cant say a word and there is nowhere to run? Maybe if you lead harder, you could try that I guess.
Best of luck to you tho ok, honest

if you're ever of a mind to step down off that soapbox and walk together, lemme know though ok, I forgive you and I don't hold grudges or anything

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Hi @bbyrd009,

Why would I wish to hide? I fail to understand why you are saying these things.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

charity said:

Hi @bbyrd009,

Why would I wish to hide? I fail to understand why you are saying these things.

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ya...maybe if we wait for a um mediator ok, someone who has eaten what is it

bbyrd009 said:

so, in this vein, i'd like to give you another shot at
No Son of Man may die for another's sins
No one has ever gone up to heaven
There is only One Immortal,

charity, just specifically since you said that.
let's see if you know what it actually means iow

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Hello again @bbyrd009,

- No man may die for another man's sins, for he must die for his own sin (2 Chronicles 25:4): but the Lord was without sin, so He could lay down His life for others, as a sin offering (Hebrews 9:28) .
- No man has ever gone up to heaven, save the One Who came down out of Heaven - the Lord Jesus Christ (John 3:13).
- There is One Who has immortality - (1 Timothy 6:16).

In Christ Jesus
Chris

bbyrd009 said:

so, in this vein, i'd like to give you another shot at
No Son of Man may die for another's sins
No one has ever gone up to heaven
There is only One Immortal,

charity, just specifically since you said that.
let's see if you know what it actually means iow
you wanna preach so bad, start preachin!

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* See reply #343, @bbyrd009

charity said:

* See reply #343, @bbyrd009

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ok ty

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"Don't call anyone your father," said Jesus, "because one is your Father, namely he who is in heaven. And don't be called leaders, because one is your leader, namely Christ" (MATTHEW 23:9-10, see 1 Samuel 8:7 and Nehemiah 9:17). People could barely wait for Jesus to be dead, and eagerly created leaders and began calling them father and gave them lofty offices in elaborate buildings. Even today, people go to special schools to become "leaders" as if that's such a noble pursuit, or as if anybody knows where we're supposed to be going. And after two thousand years of being led to absolutely nowhere, and that via horrendous plagues and famines, crimes and wars, we're so used to having leaders that we're barely able to think for ourselves, or hear the Voice that the rest of creation is tuned into. We do as we're told, by bosses, rulers and even entertainers, who can not other than lead us astray because of the simple fact that they also do as they're told.

How the emperor picks his vassal kings
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from the link below

"...The antichrist is anyone or anything that wiggles in between a human being and God, someone who professes to know God better, or who speaks in God's name, or who rules people "according to God's will". All that is nonsense...

Christ and antichrist; life and unlife

The Living God is the Lord of Life, and anything that is from God looks like life. The spirit of antichrist will try to organize people into structures that are obviously not like life, usually in the name of order and regularity: from kids gridlocked in classrooms reciting lessons blindly, to employees wasting their lives operating like dead marionettes, to patrons lined up in a church's rigid rows, listening to a salaried person preaching a pre-written message or singing pre-selected songs.

Whenever you feel you're part of a machine, you feel the spirit of antichrist. Whenever you can't say what's in your heart, or jump up and express gladness or grief; whenever anything you do, except sitting there and biting your tongue, is deemed inappropriate, you're experiencing the spirit of antichrist (1 CORINTHIANS 14:26-32). Whenever your simple daily life seems entangled in procedures and rules, and you can never find one single caring person who's responsible and who can actually make a decision, you're experiencing the spirit of antichrist (EPHESIANS 6:12).

The spirit of Christ makes you a living thing in a living world. You'll grow into whichever direction the Lord leads you. You'll feel, sing, praise, weep and love wherever the Lord moves you. The spirit of antichrist will make you feel subdued, misunderstood, misappropriated, disrespected, suffocated and insufficient. Antichrist excels at making you feel guilty, and of maneuvering you into endorsing and supporting its lifeless institutions. Christ makes you grow like a tree, with branches in the most unexpected places sticking out in the weirdest directions. Antichrist will make you stand there like a telephone pole, amidst other telephone poles, sorted on a rigid grid like marble headstones in a memorial grave yard.

The name Antichrist in the Bible

Antichrist is not a personal name, nor does it refer to one specific person. Like the word Christ, it denotes a modus operandi; a doing, a way of operating. If anointing inaugurates someone into a highest earthly rank, "disanointing" places a person below someone else..."
The amazing name Antichrist: meaning and etymology

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bbyrd009 said:

well they are, sorry; they just happen to share a synonym I guess. You believed in santa claus, right; but you were never called to do anything that required faith in santa claus imo

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Actually...yes I was. I was called by my parents to be good or Santa wouldn't bring me my gifts. So I was required to do something that proved I believed in him.

I still say you are seeing men lying (saying they believe but proving they don't) and so you want "to believe" and "to have faith" to mean different things.

When we are speaking about believing Jesus, for a man to say he believes he will live forever but then to not believe God will provide for his temporal needs, (proving it by his worries), the man is just believing one thing Jesus said, But he isn't abiding(continuing in belief.) That's like Israel, with the belief that God would save them so they stepped out under the wall of water, but then their hearts afterwards becoming evil and unbelieving about provision and food and water.

It proves that one must abide (continue in belief/faith.) It proves that there can be no deal to cheat death. Israel couldn't say: I believed in Him and now I am saved and Gods hands are now tied as regards any subsequent unbelief/unfaithfulness on my part. And yet that's what men say regarding themselves all the time!

But we all see some things differently I guess.

charity said:

Hello @Butterfly,
With respect, the fact that the promise of the comforter was made to the Apostles themselves is a a matter of record, and is therefore incontrovertible (John 14:16; John 14:26; John 15:26; John 16:7).

That the Apostle Paul received of the Holy Spirit is also a matter of record (Acts 9:17): as did Cornelius and the other Gentiles for whom the door to the Kingdom was opened by Peter at God's direction (Acts 10); and upon all who believe on the Lord Jesus, and are saved by God's grace.

The Holy Spirit is called the Holy Spirit of promise, because He was promised, but also that He is the seal of God's promise to every believer. (Ephesians 1:13)

Praise God!

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my point was to challenge the writer about using Jesus's words in the upper room as proof that ' ONLY ' those present would recieve the ' comforter - I am not actually questioner the gift of the Holy Spirit xx

stunnedbygrace said:

and so you want "to believe" and "to have faith" to mean different things.

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when you have described the five different Scriptural roots for Belief and the one for Faith maybe we can talk about this some more

Yes, it occurred to me that it was a perfect illustration too.

I don't know of the 5 roots for belief. Can you give me the verses you say this from?

I googled "the 5 roots of belief," thinking it was a psychology model perhaps, but all that came up was stuff about Islam.

stunnedbygrace said:

I don't know of the 5 roots for belief.

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and yet you want "to believe" and "to have faith" to mean the same thing

bbyrd009 said:

and yet you want "to believe" and "to have faith" to mean the same thing

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Well...I was willing to hear the verses. And then I was willing, when I thought it might be a psychological model, to go in search of it. But I don't find anything except results on Islam. And I asked you to share the information but...I guess you...don't care to share it...?

Its a bit odd to say you guess you can't speak further with a person until they know something but not share that something you know but they don't...

CNKW3 said:

Rom 8:9 says that the Spirit of God dwells in you and that the Spirit of Christ dwells in you. It does not say how. You read that and say it is literally the Spirit dwells in you. There are more passages that say Christ and the father dwell in you. But you know Christ does not literally dwell in you. The Spirit dwells in you when you allow his word to be the guide for your life.
Let the Bible explain. Here are parallel passages....
Ephesians 5:18-19 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit; Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;

Colossians 3:16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.

In the above parallel passages we see the same thought. He is saying the same thing in a different way. In one we are to be filled with the spirit. In the other we are to let the word dwell in us. He is teaching the same thing. How is one filled with the Spirit? When they let the word dwell in them. This is the Bible explaining and being it’s own best commentary. The Spirit doesn’t dwell in you unless you allow the word to be your guide.
Ok, how’s that?

Matthew 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
When you read Mt 15 you find that the Pharisees went about to establish there own righteousness through the doctrines of men. 15:8,9.
In order for your righteousness to exceed theirs you need to obey God and not man made doctrine. The Bible says throughout that we are not to turn to the right or to the left. So, your righteousness (or the means by which someone is made righteous) should be greater then the Pharisees (who used their own man made means for righteousness). Meaning....believe in what God says and not man. If the “pastor” tells you that salvation is by faith plus nothing, instead of following false man made doctrine, you need to follow what the Bible actually says about salvation if you want to enter the kingdom of heaven. The “sinners prayer” won’t do it.

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There is scripture for your condition:
2 Tim. 3:1-5
[5] Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

Butterfly said:

my point was to challenge the writer about using Jesus's words in the upper room as proof that ' ONLY ' those present would recieve the ' comforter - I am not actually questioner the gift of the Holy Spirit xx

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Hello @Butterfly,

I am just grateful for the opportunity your response afforded me, to think about these things.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

Earburner said:

There is scripture for your condition:
2 Tim. 3:1-5
[5] Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

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'Having a form of godliness,
but denying the power thereof:
from such turn away.'
(2 Timothy 3:5)

Hello @Earburner,

This is a serious allegation, on what basis are you making it?

In Christ Jesus
Chris

'But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.'
(Galatians 5:22-26)

'For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:
(For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth )
Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.
(Ephesians 5:8)

'That which is born of the flesh is flesh;
and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.'
(John 3:6)

* The believer is born of God, and is sealed by the Holy Spirit (Ephesians 1:13).