Biblical Foreknowledge
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"marks,
Yes the word is biblically used for persons.
Yes. Not only is it his view, but virtually all of the Puritans, reformers, and Calvinist's understand the biblical language this way.
When a link or teaching is posted, it is not for debate purposes, as the person is not as you say, "present".
The Apostles are not present either, but we quote the scripture they wrote.
If I post a link, I am in substantial agreement with it, and am present and willing to defend the link posted.
To improve our understanding of truth, sometimes time and effort are necessary.
Going line by line.....if you agree with what is written a simple I agree will do.
When you find a sentence that you believe is in error, then isolate that sentence and offer biblical correction.
Yes the word is biblically used for persons.
Yes. Not only is it his view, but virtually all of the Puritans, reformers, and Calvinist's understand the biblical language this way.
When a link or teaching is posted, it is not for debate purposes, as the person is not as you say, "present".
The Apostles are not present either, but we quote the scripture they wrote.
If I post a link, I am in substantial agreement with it, and am present and willing to defend the link posted.
To improve our understanding of truth, sometimes time and effort are necessary.
Going line by line.....if you agree with what is written a simple I agree will do.
When you find a sentence that you believe is in error, then isolate that sentence and offer biblical correction.
"Enoch111
From a human standpoint, from our point of view, we are not told who the elect are.
In obeying the Great Commission we can approach every person as a sinner who can be saved.
There is nothing in biblical Calvinism that goes against this teaching.
14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.
15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.
16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.
Good...we can agree that not everyone will be saved
The best I can do with this statement is this.
From a human standpoint, from our point of view, we are not told who the elect are.
In obeying the Great Commission we can approach every person as a sinner who can be saved.
There is nothing in biblical Calvinism that goes against this teaching.
14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.
15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.
16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.
Enoch111,
No. This response only shows once again you fail to understand the term of the teaching of irresistible grace.
men resist God's grace every day. Those in Acts 7:51...always resisted the grace of God, right into hell, notice;
ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.
Address the highlighted portions if you would care to look at the actual teaching, here from the 1689 confession of faith;
Chapter 10: Of Effectual Calling
1._____ Those whom God hath predestinated unto life, he is pleased in his appointed, and accepted time, effectually to call, by his Word and Spirit,
out of that state of sin and death in which they are by nature, to grace and salvation by Jesus Christ;
enlightening their minds spiritually and savingly to understand the things of God;
taking away their heart of stone, and giving unto them a heart of flesh;
renewing their wills,
and by his almighty power determining them to that which is good, and effectually drawing them to Jesus Christ; yet so as they come most freely, being made willing by his grace.
( Romans 8:30; Romans 11:7; Ephesians 1:10, 11; 2 Thessalonians 2:13, 14; Ephesians 2:1-6; Acts 26:18; Ephesians 1:17, 18; Ezekiel 36:26; Deuteronomy 30:6; Ezekiel 36:27; Ephesians 1:19; Psalm 110:3; Song of Solomon 1:4 )
2._____ This effectual call is of God's free and special grace alone,
not from anything at all foreseen in man, nor from any power or agency in the creature, being wholly passive therein, being dead in sins and trespasses,
until being quickened and renewed by the Holy Spirit; he is thereby enabled to answer this call,
and to embrace the grace offered and conveyed in it, and that by no less power than that which raised up Christ from the dead.
( 2 Timothy 1:9; Ephesians 2:8; 1 Corinthians 2:14; Ephesians 2:5; John 5:25; Ephesians 1:19, 20 )
3._____ Elect infants dying in infancy are regenerated and saved by Christ through the Spirit; who worketh when, and where, and how he pleases; so also are all elect persons, who are incapable of being outwardly called by the ministry of the Word.
( John 3:3, 5, 6; John 3:8 )
4._____ Others not elected, although they may be called by the ministry of the Word, and may have some common operations of the Spirit,
yet not being effectually drawn by the Father, they neither will nor can truly come to Christ, and therefore cannot be saved: much less can men that receive not the Christian religion be saved; be they never so diligent to frame their lives according to the light of nature and the law of that religion they do profess.
( Matthew 22:14; Matthew 13:20, 21; Hebrews 6:4, 5; John 6:44, 45, 65; 1 John 2:24, 25; Acts 4:12; John 4:22; John 17:3 )
No. This response only shows once again you fail to understand the term of the teaching of irresistible grace.
men resist God's grace every day. Those in Acts 7:51...always resisted the grace of God, right into hell, notice;
ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.
Address the highlighted portions if you would care to look at the actual teaching, here from the 1689 confession of faith;
Chapter 10: Of Effectual Calling
1._____ Those whom God hath predestinated unto life, he is pleased in his appointed, and accepted time, effectually to call, by his Word and Spirit,
out of that state of sin and death in which they are by nature, to grace and salvation by Jesus Christ;
enlightening their minds spiritually and savingly to understand the things of God;
taking away their heart of stone, and giving unto them a heart of flesh;
renewing their wills,
and by his almighty power determining them to that which is good, and effectually drawing them to Jesus Christ; yet so as they come most freely, being made willing by his grace.
( Romans 8:30; Romans 11:7; Ephesians 1:10, 11; 2 Thessalonians 2:13, 14; Ephesians 2:1-6; Acts 26:18; Ephesians 1:17, 18; Ezekiel 36:26; Deuteronomy 30:6; Ezekiel 36:27; Ephesians 1:19; Psalm 110:3; Song of Solomon 1:4 )
2._____ This effectual call is of God's free and special grace alone,
not from anything at all foreseen in man, nor from any power or agency in the creature, being wholly passive therein, being dead in sins and trespasses,
until being quickened and renewed by the Holy Spirit; he is thereby enabled to answer this call,
and to embrace the grace offered and conveyed in it, and that by no less power than that which raised up Christ from the dead.
( 2 Timothy 1:9; Ephesians 2:8; 1 Corinthians 2:14; Ephesians 2:5; John 5:25; Ephesians 1:19, 20 )
3._____ Elect infants dying in infancy are regenerated and saved by Christ through the Spirit; who worketh when, and where, and how he pleases; so also are all elect persons, who are incapable of being outwardly called by the ministry of the Word.
( John 3:3, 5, 6; John 3:8 )
4._____ Others not elected, although they may be called by the ministry of the Word, and may have some common operations of the Spirit,
yet not being effectually drawn by the Father, they neither will nor can truly come to Christ, and therefore cannot be saved: much less can men that receive not the Christian religion be saved; be they never so diligent to frame their lives according to the light of nature and the law of that religion they do profess.
( Matthew 22:14; Matthew 13:20, 21; Hebrews 6:4, 5; John 6:44, 45, 65; 1 John 2:24, 25; Acts 4:12; John 4:22; John 17:3 )
GodsGrace,
When people post-error and someone offers correction, I would expect if they are interested in truth that they would take some time to review the offered correction.
With a lengthy quote, a responsible person could skim over it and highlight 4 of 5 places where they think the offered correction, is not accurate, then offer their biblical view.
I posted a small section from this teachers work, that I am confident will correct 95% of the error concerning this biblical word and teaching. I do not think you or anyone else can even begin to refute it. Why would you desire to refute Divine truth?
When people post-error and someone offers correction, I would expect if they are interested in truth that they would take some time to review the offered correction.
With a lengthy quote, a responsible person could skim over it and highlight 4 of 5 places where they think the offered correction, is not accurate, then offer their biblical view.
I posted a small section from this teachers work, that I am confident will correct 95% of the error concerning this biblical word and teaching. I do not think you or anyone else can even begin to refute it. Why would you desire to refute Divine truth?
Hi Anthony, My comments will be black, I'll leave yours with their colors.
Yes the word is biblically used for persons.
In applying foreknowledge to a person, this does not change the meaning of the word, only it's object. Foreknow still remains, to know in advance.
You do not argue pre-existance of the soul, that is correct? If that is true, then regardless of how you parse it, knowing someone ahead of time is still having knowledge of them beforehand. Before they have lived. This does not change the meaning.
Yes. Not only is it his view, but virtually all of the Puritans, reformers, and Calvinist's understand the biblical language this way.
This is an Appeal to Authority, yet the only Authority is Scripture. We can both list names of those who do and do not support this view.
When a link or teaching is posted, it is not for debate purposes, as the person is not as you say, "present".
The Apostles are not present either, but we quote the scripture they wrote.
This is what it is to try to engage a lengthy article line by line.
Pink is not The Apostles, so I don't treat it that way.
If I post a link, I am in substantial agreement with it, and am present and willing to defend the link posted.
To improve our understanding of truth, sometimes time and effort are necessary.
Going line by line.....if you agree with what is written a simple I agree will do.
When you find a sentence that you believe is in error, then isolate that sentence and offer biblical correction.
That was my thought in saying . . .
It seems to me that the whole argument really turns on this point. He foreknew . . . not facts . . . people He set out to know. And these surrounding arguments seem to me to be supporting this point.
Do I understand this correctly?
This is to simplify the discussion.
If this is the hinge on which this argument swings, then most certainly God foreknew people, He know when and where they would live, who they would be, and what they would do. He foreknew all of these things, and where would we try to limit His foreknowledge?
Much love!
Yes the word is biblically used for persons.
In applying foreknowledge to a person, this does not change the meaning of the word, only it's object. Foreknow still remains, to know in advance.
You do not argue pre-existance of the soul, that is correct? If that is true, then regardless of how you parse it, knowing someone ahead of time is still having knowledge of them beforehand. Before they have lived. This does not change the meaning.
Yes. Not only is it his view, but virtually all of the Puritans, reformers, and Calvinist's understand the biblical language this way.
This is an Appeal to Authority, yet the only Authority is Scripture. We can both list names of those who do and do not support this view.
When a link or teaching is posted, it is not for debate purposes, as the person is not as you say, "present".
The Apostles are not present either, but we quote the scripture they wrote.
This is what it is to try to engage a lengthy article line by line.
Pink is not The Apostles, so I don't treat it that way.
If I post a link, I am in substantial agreement with it, and am present and willing to defend the link posted.
To improve our understanding of truth, sometimes time and effort are necessary.
Going line by line.....if you agree with what is written a simple I agree will do.
When you find a sentence that you believe is in error, then isolate that sentence and offer biblical correction.
That was my thought in saying . . .
It seems to me that the whole argument really turns on this point. He foreknew . . . not facts . . . people He set out to know. And these surrounding arguments seem to me to be supporting this point.
Do I understand this correctly?
This is to simplify the discussion.
If this is the hinge on which this argument swings, then most certainly God foreknew people, He know when and where they would live, who they would be, and what they would do. He foreknew all of these things, and where would we try to limit His foreknowledge?
Much love!
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Ernest T. Bass
Hello EB,
You are making an error right from the start, let me suggest where.
You are confusing two ideas in a way the OP. does not.
Two issues, God's omniscience, and God's foreknowledge.
From the author of the OP.
Omniscience is from the Latin omnis = “all” combined with scientia = “knowledge” the combination meaning to know all or to have perfect knowledge.
God’s omniscience is His knowledge of all things including actual and possible, past, present, and future (foreknowledge).
God is all knowing, and His knowledge is in no way restricted by temporal considerations. He knows and sees the past, the present, and the future with equal clarity and absolute certainty. To Him, all is the present.
God knows all things perfectly (Ps. 147:5; Job 37:16; 1 John 3:20), sees and hears everything (Ex 3:7; 2Chr 16:9; Ps 34:15; 102:19, 20; Pr 5:21; 15:3; Jer. 16:16), knows from all eternity the entire plan of the ages and the part of every man in that plan (Isa. 46:9, 10, 11; 48:3, 4, 5, 6, 7; Acts 15:18; Eph. 1:3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12).
God has perfect knowledge of each individual person and of all his ways (Ps. 33:13, 14, 15; 139:1-16; Pr. 5:21), his words (Ps. 139:4; Matt. 12:35, 36, 37), his thoughts (1Chr 28:9; Ps. 94:11; 139:1, 2; Mt. 9:4), his afflictions and trials (Ge 21:17, 18, 19; 1Cor. 10:13; Rev. 2:9, 10, 13) and his future actions and final state (Gen. 18:19; Ex. 3:19; Isa. 44:28-45:5; Matt. 25:31, 32, 33, 34, 41; Acts 27:22, 23, 24, 25).
God’s omniscience means that nothing anyone does escapes the knowledge of God and that one day we will be called to give an account at the bar of God for God will deal with each according to the truth of his life (Ro 2:2, 3, 6; 14:10, 11, 12). For more information on the various judgments, see The Doctrine of the Judgments.
God's omniscience gives us confidence in prayer knowing that He will not lose our prayers and that He always knows the best answer, even knowing our needs before we ask (Matt. 6:31, 32, 33, 34; Isa. 65:24).
Jonathan Edwards in his sermon "Man Naturally God's Enemy" observed that all men are naturally God's enemies because of five things: God's holiness, because we are not holy; God's omniscience, because he knows we are not holy; God's omnipotence, because this offends our desire for autonomy; God's mercy, because it is a holy mercy; and God's immutability (unchangeableness), because God will never be other than he is in these "offensive" attributes.
Being God knows every possible thing goes without saying, Foreknowledge as used in the bible is of persons, watch again;
29 For whom he did foreknow,
he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
whom, ,whom, them,whom, them,whom ,them...persons, not what they did, but them.
From post #2
Now in view of these passages (and there are no more) what scriptural ground is there for anyone saying God“foreknew” the acts of certain ones, viz., their “repenting and believing,” and that because of those acts He elected them unto salvation? The answer is, None whatever.
Scripture never speaks of repentance and faith as being foreseen or foreknown by God.
Truly, He didknow from all eternity that certain ones would repent and believe, yet this is not what Scripture refers to as the object of God’s “foreknowledge.” The word uniformly refers to God’s foreknowing persons ; then let us “hold fast the form of sound words” ( 2 Tim. 1:13).
Hello EB,
You are making an error right from the start, let me suggest where.
You are confusing two ideas in a way the OP. does not.
Two issues, God's omniscience, and God's foreknowledge.
From the author of the OP.
Omniscience is from the Latin omnis = “all” combined with scientia = “knowledge” the combination meaning to know all or to have perfect knowledge.
God’s omniscience is His knowledge of all things including actual and possible, past, present, and future (foreknowledge).
God is all knowing, and His knowledge is in no way restricted by temporal considerations. He knows and sees the past, the present, and the future with equal clarity and absolute certainty. To Him, all is the present.
God knows all things perfectly (Ps. 147:5; Job 37:16; 1 John 3:20), sees and hears everything (Ex 3:7; 2Chr 16:9; Ps 34:15; 102:19, 20; Pr 5:21; 15:3; Jer. 16:16), knows from all eternity the entire plan of the ages and the part of every man in that plan (Isa. 46:9, 10, 11; 48:3, 4, 5, 6, 7; Acts 15:18; Eph. 1:3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12).
God has perfect knowledge of each individual person and of all his ways (Ps. 33:13, 14, 15; 139:1-16; Pr. 5:21), his words (Ps. 139:4; Matt. 12:35, 36, 37), his thoughts (1Chr 28:9; Ps. 94:11; 139:1, 2; Mt. 9:4), his afflictions and trials (Ge 21:17, 18, 19; 1Cor. 10:13; Rev. 2:9, 10, 13) and his future actions and final state (Gen. 18:19; Ex. 3:19; Isa. 44:28-45:5; Matt. 25:31, 32, 33, 34, 41; Acts 27:22, 23, 24, 25).
God’s omniscience means that nothing anyone does escapes the knowledge of God and that one day we will be called to give an account at the bar of God for God will deal with each according to the truth of his life (Ro 2:2, 3, 6; 14:10, 11, 12). For more information on the various judgments, see The Doctrine of the Judgments.
God's omniscience gives us confidence in prayer knowing that He will not lose our prayers and that He always knows the best answer, even knowing our needs before we ask (Matt. 6:31, 32, 33, 34; Isa. 65:24).
Jonathan Edwards in his sermon "Man Naturally God's Enemy" observed that all men are naturally God's enemies because of five things: God's holiness, because we are not holy; God's omniscience, because he knows we are not holy; God's omnipotence, because this offends our desire for autonomy; God's mercy, because it is a holy mercy; and God's immutability (unchangeableness), because God will never be other than he is in these "offensive" attributes.
Being God knows every possible thing goes without saying, Foreknowledge as used in the bible is of persons, watch again;
29 For whom he did foreknow,
he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
whom, ,whom, them,whom, them,whom ,them...persons, not what they did, but them.
From post #2
Now in view of these passages (and there are no more) what scriptural ground is there for anyone saying God“foreknew” the acts of certain ones, viz., their “repenting and believing,” and that because of those acts He elected them unto salvation? The answer is, None whatever.
Scripture never speaks of repentance and faith as being foreseen or foreknown by God.
Truly, He didknow from all eternity that certain ones would repent and believe, yet this is not what Scripture refers to as the object of God’s “foreknowledge.” The word uniformly refers to God’s foreknowing persons ; then let us “hold fast the form of sound words” ( 2 Tim. 1:13).
Of course it's them, and not their actions, the actions are included in the rest. It's everything.
Whom instead of what because it's a person and not a brick.
God's talking about people, so the Bible uses pronouns for people.
Much love!
Marks, read post 27, you are making the same mistake as EB.
You are not dealing with the biblical usage. we are not writing a new dictionary
Everyone knows God is omniscient.
that is not the issue.
I am not going to do word games, and debate fallacy excuses with you.
Appeal to authority garbage. No one sees it any other way. nobody but those who are set to resist the biblical truth. If you want to wallow in debate fallacy excuses, post to Leighton Flowers who specializes in that.
You say..it is everything...that is nonsense.
When God tells Israel you only have I known among all the nations...was He suggesting an omniscient God did not know who the other nations were? Did you even read the offered link, that answers this?
You are not dealing with the biblical usage. we are not writing a new dictionary
Everyone knows God is omniscient.
that is not the issue.
I am not going to do word games, and debate fallacy excuses with you.
Appeal to authority garbage. No one sees it any other way. nobody but those who are set to resist the biblical truth. If you want to wallow in debate fallacy excuses, post to Leighton Flowers who specializes in that.
You say..it is everything...that is nonsense.
When God tells Israel you only have I known among all the nations...was He suggesting an omniscient God did not know who the other nations were? Did you even read the offered link, that answers this?
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GodsGrace,
Yes....Elect/Non Elect
Sheep/Goats
wheat /tares
as far as salvation goes. However there are several categories of people, young, old, rich, poor, jews, gentiles,kings, those in authority.
God is going to save every person He can justly save, not one more, not one less.
Sorry, but this is not biblical language. We are not to "accept" anything'
We are told this;
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
God makes us accepted....
this is a falsehood, there have been multitudes who lived and died in their sins, who never heard the gospel.
This fiction is not taught in scripture, no one seeks God, no, not one.
This unbiblical concept is a fantasy of carnal minds in rebellion to God.
Yes....Elect/Non Elect
Sheep/Goats
wheat /tares
as far as salvation goes. However there are several categories of people, young, old, rich, poor, jews, gentiles,kings, those in authority.
God is going to save every person He can justly save, not one more, not one less.
Sorry, but this is not biblical language. We are not to "accept" anything'
We are told this;
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
God makes us accepted....
this is a falsehood, there have been multitudes who lived and died in their sins, who never heard the gospel.
This fiction is not taught in scripture, no one seeks God, no, not one.
This unbiblical concept is a fantasy of carnal minds in rebellion to God.
Correct. the OP. is specific and needs a specific response. It is not about carnal philosophy and debate fallacies
Has nothing to do with that. I disagree, and you respond that I'm just resisting the truth. Discussion ends.
There is nothing here that leads us to define this word "Foreknow" as anything other that what it is in it's normal use, to know ahead of time. I've read long and complex arguments for this over many years, Pink, Sproul, MacArthur, I forget who else. John Piper. there have been others too. Calvin.
MacArthur has, for me, the most memorable quote, "God loves everyone, but He loves the elect with a better kind of love". The Love of God
Pink has a good one too, "God loves whom He chooses. He does not love everybody." I think that was The Sovereignty of God.
MacArthur, though, counters that God in fact does love everyone, but that even though God loves them, consigns them from birth to condemnation. but I digress.
To have a discussion means we have to make sense, and when fallacies are introduced it stops making sense.
And when this dissolves into little more than name calling, and other negative personal characterizations, I cease to be so interested in continuing.
Much love!
Well A, why not give me a try?
As you said in a previous post....these teachers of yours appear AFTER 1,500 AD.
What do you think the church was doing before this time?
You think Augustine, from whom Calvinism SUPPOSEDLY starts, and Anselm, and Clement of Rome and so many others, were just stupid fools?
I'm not reading 3 pages of stuff that is not biblical.
YOU pick a verse and show me how it proves YOUR theology, and then I'll show you why it does NOT.
When you do not address the clear teaching of the OP. the discussion never got started....bye bye.
GodsGrace,
Giving you a try is not the topic of the OP. The biblical term foreknowledge is
This is totally ignorant and almost incoherent. How can you characterize it as unbiblical if you have not bothered to read it? Instead, I believe you both looked at it, cannot begin to answer it, so now you try and dismiss it and divert to something else.
No one is stopping you from engaging directly the OP. or any portion of it.
When people cannot answer they look for mistakes, loopholes, philosophy, and other excuses because they cannot answer. it is that simple.
This is off-topic and a diversion.
Giving you a try is not the topic of the OP. The biblical term foreknowledge is
This is totally ignorant and almost incoherent. How can you characterize it as unbiblical if you have not bothered to read it? Instead, I believe you both looked at it, cannot begin to answer it, so now you try and dismiss it and divert to something else.
No one is stopping you from engaging directly the OP. or any portion of it.
When people cannot answer they look for mistakes, loopholes, philosophy, and other excuses because they cannot answer. it is that simple.
This is off-topic and a diversion.
Philip James
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Paul seems to disagree with this:
For when the Gentiles who do not have the law by nature observe the prescriptions of the law, they are a law for themselves even though they do not have the law.
They show that the demands of the law are written in their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness and their conflicting thoughts accuse or even defend them
on the day when, according to my gospel, God will judge people's hidden works through Christ Jesus
Peace!
Philip James,
For when the Gentiles who do not have the law by nature observe the prescriptions of the law, they are a law for themselves even though they do not have the law.
They show that the demands of the law are written in their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness and their conflicting thoughts accuse or even defend them
on the day when, according to my gospel, God will judge people's hidden works through Christ Jesus
Paul is not saying the Gentiles are saved by law-keeping. He is saying as fallen image -bearers they still show the work of the law despite their inability to be saved by it.
For when the Gentiles who do not have the law by nature observe the prescriptions of the law, they are a law for themselves even though they do not have the law.
They show that the demands of the law are written in their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness and their conflicting thoughts accuse or even defend them
on the day when, according to my gospel, God will judge people's hidden works through Christ Jesus
Paul is not saying the Gentiles are saved by law-keeping. He is saying as fallen image -bearers they still show the work of the law despite their inability to be saved by it.
Philip James
Well-Known Member
No, but he is saying that the Judge, will look at their 'hidden works' ....
HE knows their hearts...
If HE says, 'welcome to my Father's kingdom, will you argue with HIM?
Peace be with you!
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