Deception Leading Straight to the Antichrist

Stan B · Aug 1, 2019

marks said:
Hi Stan, And welcome to you!

I can see where someone might think that, I can think of Rev 6, the 6th seal, the people apparently seeing, or at least knowing about God on His throne sending wrath. But you make an excellent point, that there is much clearly happening in the heavenly realm, clearly stated as such.

I think the meaning is pretty plain. Jesus said He was going to prepare a place for us, to then return and take us to be with Him. He went away . . . where did He go? Where is this place He went to prepare? He went to heaven. Where our citizenship just happens to be. Hmm.

Much love!

Hi Marks,

You said "there is much clearly happening in the heavenly realm, clearly stated as such."

Indeed, there are things happening there, that have not been revealed to us in Scripture. After my wife died four years ago, I became interested in NDE (Near Death Experiences), where the subject ended up in Heaven, but then returned to earth to report their experiences. I have read a few books on the subject in the past, "Imagine Heaven" by Pastor John Burke is by far the very best I have ever read. After discarding all the bogus accounts of such experiences, he recounted some VERY credible accounts of those like Dr. Mary Neal, an orthopedic spine surgeon, who had nothing to gain by revealing her experience, but perhaps a lot to lose. She died after she was trapped in her kayak under a waterfall for over 20 minutes. After her spirit left her body she was greeted by a group of people on the other side. She sensed that they were there, not so much to befriend her, as to "PROTECT" her!!

We have been given little insight to what is happening there, but it is probably far more complex than we ever suspected. As Daniel was instructed: “But as for you, Daniel, conceal these words and seal up the book until the end of time; many will go back and forth, and knowledge will increase.” While I don't rank NDE accounts on the same basis as Scripture, I can't ignore the possibility that many of these people are merely following the Scriptural mandate to "Always be prepared to give account for the hope that is within you."

Apart from his book, Pastor Burke has also provided a 6 sermon series of videos based upon his book and research. i enjoyed this series so much that I have now watched them 8 times!!!

Imagine Heaven - Rewards That Last

marks · Aug 1, 2019

Davy said:
No, we need to 'stick'... to God's Word as written.

Um . . . broaden our search in the Bible of course. Did you not realize that's what I meant? Or did you know that, and wanted to get in a jab?

Davy said:
If you have to stop understanding what you read there, and instead insert men's theory

Thank you for your concern I'm just saying what I read.

Much love!

marks · Aug 1, 2019

Stan B said:
where the subject ended up in Heaven, but then returned to earth to report their experiences. I have read a few books on the subject in the past,

Hi Stan, having been curious about this phenomenom for many years I've read many many accounts of NDE's, but I've never, in all of them, found a single one that is some way did notcontradict what the Bible says about death and what comes after.

So for me, I remain unconvinced.

Much love!

Stan B · Aug 1, 2019

marks said:
Hi Stan, And welcome to you!

I can see where someone might think that, I can think of Rev 6, the 6th seal, the people apparently seeing, or at least knowing about God on His throne sending wrath. But you make an excellent point, that there is much clearly happening in the heavenly realm, clearly stated as such.

I think the meaning is pretty plain. Jesus said He was going to prepare a place for us, to then return and take us to be with Him. He went away . . . where did He go? Where is this place He went to prepare? He went to heaven. Where our citizenship just happens to be. Hmm.

Much love!

Hi Marks

You said "I can see where someone might think that, I can think of Rev 6, the 6th seal, the people apparently seeing, or at least knowing about God on His throne sending wrath."

In the first five seals, world events do not seem to be all that different than they are today. I believe that the 5th seal marks the final seal in which the saints are involved. When the number of those who are to be martyred is complete, that is the last time we hear of the saints on earth, and I believe they are taken up before the 6th seal is opened. The 6th seal is unlike the preceding seals, and seems to be the last warning before the 7th seal is opened, after which "neither did they repent" because with the saints being taken out of this world the Holy Spirit is no longer present to convict of sin.

So in the next chapter, before the 7th seal has been opened we see the great myriad of saints in Heaven. “These are the ones who come **OUT** of the great tribulation. Rev 7:9 And then all Hell breaks loose on earth as the 7th seal is opened.!

marks · Aug 1, 2019

Stan B said:
Hi Marks

You said "I can see where someone might think that, I can think of Rev 6, the 6th seal, the people apparently seeing, or at least knowing about God on His throne sending wrath."

In the first five seals, world events do not seem to be all that different than they are today. I believe that the 5th seal marks the final seal in which the saints are involved. When the number of those who are to be martyred is complete, that is the last time we hear of the saints on earth, and I believe they are taken up before the 6th seal is opened. The 6th seal is unlike the preceding seals, and seems to be the last warning before the 7th seal is opened, after which "neither did they repent" because with the saints being taken out of this world the Holy Spirit is no longer present to convict of sin.

So in the next chapter, before the 7th seal has been opened we see the great myriad of saints in Heaven. “These are the ones who come **OUT** of the great tribulation. Rev 7:9 And then all Hell breaks loose on earth as the 7th seal is opened.!

Sounds like we see this a lot the same.

For me, the seals seem to be the totality of the birth pangs in Matthew 24. False christs arise, birth pangs, and the antichrist goes out, the seal. Wars increase, the birth pang, then peace is removed from the earth, the seal, and like that.

To me, the birth pangs show increasing hostility against people in general from the government and religious institutions, from society, the economy, from ecology, and the seals then dial that hostility up to the max as the 70th week is beginning.

Much love!

Bobby Jo · Aug 1, 2019

marks said:
... as the 70th week is beginning. ...

Yeah, -- what we're taught isn't necessarily the TRUTH. In fact, the 7-year-tribulation doctrine is FALSE. Rev. 13:5 says 42 months; Daniel 7:25 says 42 months; and the TRUTH is 42 months.

The commentators and adherents FALSELY construe Daniel's seventieth week to apply to the tribulation when in fact the only "connection" is that the destroyer "shall come" after the seventieth week:

Daniel 9:27 ... and upon the wing of abominations shall come one who makes desolate, until the decreed end is poured out on the desolator.”
Please note that a "proper" rendering would show the end of the sentence for the previous phrase, with the start of a new sentence -- "And upon the wing ...".

Things would have certainly been a WHOLE LOT BETTER if the commentators had obeyed the angel's instructions in 12:4 & 9, -- but such is life:

Daniel 12:4 But you, Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, until the time of the end. Many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase.”
9 He said, “Go your way, Daniel, for the words are shut up and sealed until the time of the end.

... and we are IN the Tribulation as we speak,
Bobby Jo

marks · Aug 1, 2019

Bobby Jo said:
In fact, the 7-year-tribulation doctrine is FALSE.

You are realizing, right, that I didn't talk about "the 7-year-tribulation"?

Much love!

Bobby Jo · Aug 1, 2019

marks said:
... as the 70th week is beginning. ...

marks said:
You are realizing, right, that I didn't talk about "the 7-year-tribulation"?

Hey Marks,

What is the "70th week" except what the church FALSELY teaches is the "7-year-tribulation"?!? -- Is there ANOTHER definition which you had in mind?

And just to say, -- Daniel's "70th week" was fulfilled almost 19 years ago, so if you have a "future" expectation, you might want to consider the evidence before making your judgement.

Bobby Jo

Philip James · Aug 1, 2019

Davy said:
It won't be Islam's Mahdi, nor a pope

Hi Davy,
No, he won't be a pope, but the Church will have its Judas, the 'false prophet' who will hail the 'man of sin' as Christ returned, and will replace the daily sacrifice with his image...

Peace!

Keraz · Aug 1, 2019

marks said:
I'd use verses like in Thess. about being caught up to forever more be with Him. As I'm of the view that this is "pre-trib", it then makes sense that as Jesus will continue to be in heaven, we will be there with Him. When He returns to the earth, we return with Him. Where He is is where we are, so if Jesus is in heaven after the catching up, then we will be to.

I 'liked' Davy's correct answer to this.
Jesus does NOT continue to be in heaven; He has Returned for His Millennium reign. The 'harparzo' is just a transportation fron where those who remain are, to where Jesus is; initially in the clouds, then in Jerusalem.

marks said:
And of course Rev. 7 shows believers in heaven.

1/ Revelation does NOT say anything about believers going to heaven. You have added that to the scripture. Bad you!

marks said:
But I disagree, and I ask that you show those verses mean what you say they mean. When I look at them, I see them using verb syntax that states no one has gone on their own, but nothing that says no one can be taken into heaven. It's just not there.

2/ I am in wonderment at how you can think those 5 verses don't say what they actually do say. No one goes to heaven.....John 3:13

marks said:
Not illogical, the age ends sometime. And unless all people are killed in the great tribulation, and of course they won't be, Some people will be spared martyrdom.

3/ Yes, many are spared, your mother, my parents, and all those who have led a good Christian life in peace.
But Bible prophecy is plain; there is coming a time when all will be tested and will face difficult times. 1 Peter 4:12

marks said:
Anyone who knows me knows I'm not about the numbers of who believes things. I've come to hold a number of views, that when I first came to them, I had Never heard them anywhere, knew no one who taught these, though now I do. But it's always and only about what God says.

4/ We must be sure that what we believe does conform to all the scriptures.
You seem to have missed how God promises great blessings to His faithful people, as they live in His holy Land, being the people He always wanted there. His witnesses, Isaiah 43:8-13, John 15:27 and His Light to the nations. Isaiah 49:3-8, Matthew 5:14-16

marks said:
That's people making the issue their disputings, and has no bearing on whether or not the Bible teaches a certain thing. You just need to make sure you understand the passages, for what they themselves say, I think that when we all do that perfectly, we will all believe the same things.

5/ When this supposed 'rapture' will happen, is a huge issue, argued over by Bible 'experts' for over 100 years without any real consensus. It does have a critical bearing on the subject; not being able to confirm when a 'rapture' could happen, gives a serious doubt over the whole idea.

marks said:
Yes, some things do seem to be very hidden from some people! We need to be open and receptive and humble.

6 & 7/ Only a few wise people will understand. Daniel 12:10b Pray to be among them!

marks · Aug 1, 2019

Keraz said:
You have added that to the scripture. Bad you!

There's a conversation killer.

. . . unless you meant it in fun . . .

marks · Aug 1, 2019

Keraz said:
2/ I am in wonderment at how you can think those 5 verses don't say what they actually do say. No one goes to heaven.....John 3:13

Because it's not what they say. But this is just repeating.

has ascended is "Perfect Active" verb, that means this says, "no one has ascended to heaven on their own staying there", that's the significance of the syntax. It's just what the sentence means.

Much love!

marks · Aug 1, 2019

Keraz said:
3/ Yes, many are spared, your mother, my parents, and all those who have led a good Christian life in peace.
But Bible prophecy is plain; there is coming a time when all will be tested and will face difficult times. 1 Peter 4:12

Only those who are there at the time. No requirement that everyone who is ever saved must be there then.

Much love!

marks · Aug 1, 2019

As to the rest, I'm looking over the remainder of the post, its all been said I think.

Much love,
And,
See you on the way up!

Keraz · Aug 1, 2019

marks said:
As to the rest, I'm looking over the remainder of the post, its all been said I think.

Much love,
And,
See you on the way up!

See you in the holy Land. Zechariah 3:10

Reggie Belafonte · Aug 1, 2019

Davy said:
Careful of pop doctrines being circulated today about the coming Antichrist.

It won't be Islam's Mahdi, nor a pope. Islam's deceptions are for their followers. The same type of deceivers among their religion are the same type of deceivers today among Christianity pushing the idea that a pope will be the Antichrist. Those of the Reformation charged the pope as the Biblical Antichrist, but we know he wasn't, because the Bible prophecies for the end involving the coming false Messiah in Jerusalem didn't happen then.

God's Word reveals the orthodox Jews will accept the coming Antichrist as their awaited Messiah. He is to show up in Jerusalem, not Rome, nor New York.

Thus the "temple of God" Apostle Paul pointed to in 2 Thessalonians 2:4 isn't about the spiritual temple idea of Ephesians. It's about a literal physical temple in Jerusalem that will be built for the last days.

Moreover, it is impossible for the spiritual temple of Ephesians 2 to be corrupted by any false one, simply because its foundation is the Apostles and prophets, with Jesus as its Cornerstone. That is how we can easily know the one who originally came up with that theory was probably one of Satan's hosts, simply because only one of them could ever think that the true spiritual temple could ever be corrupted by an Antichrist.

It all about the workings of Satan leading the world astray and the people who are mislead swallowing it all as they do reject God, but they do have gods that they idolise for sure and the works of Satan is a master of deception.

For example like one may comprehend the Orthodox Jews to be truly Orthodox but the fact is that they are not Orthodox at all in fact, so when you look into such things beyond the surface you will see the con-job for what it truly is and such is truly the workings of Satan.
So when on is talking to another about the subject at hand it becomes a mess if the perceptions are not truly understood in fact.
So that when one is talking about the Orthodox Jews most people are looking at this from what they have been indoctrinated to believe that it is and they are correct in that but not truly correct as to such being what Orthodox truly means.

Truly Orthodox in fact means the true Jews as to the OT and support Holy Moses and there is noting wrong with them at all apart from being blinded as to truly understand who Jesus Christ is in fact, but they can just as it was so with the disciples and we see with Nathaniel being a true Israelite in fact the epitome of Israel as Jesus said he was. it's is these people who are Orthodox Jews in fact and no one is truly worthy of being a true Jew unless they are truly Orthodox in this context.

No Talmud whore is worthy of being a true Israelite Jew and nor is any so called Zionist who are only a branch of Nazi brothers who idolise Socialist path of dribble, but that we have been led to believe that the two were not in collusion, but if you bother to look into it all it sticks out like dogs balls and them when you look into it even more their you will see that the Talmud whore of this world controlled by Rothschild who created the State that fools call Israel nowadays.

n2thelight · Aug 1, 2019

prism said:
If the any moment rapture theory is heading us straight to the antichrist, then who do you say is the antichrist. (I'd like to recheck my road map). Please try to answer in two or three sentences.

ANTI in the greek means instead of only satan can and will be the antichrist

That's his role and the whole world will believe him to be Christ

Reggie Belafonte · Aug 1, 2019

Anyone who calls the State Israel is a moron or is under the delusion of Satanist. why ! is that should one ask ?

Well it's obvious to one who is truly born again, because Jesus Christ is the King of Israel !!! and who is Israel ? well the word means Servants of God and who would serve God ! is it the Born again ? who truly know and serve him ? or is it some bunch of twats that are lost or reject Jesus Christ.

It's obvious to all who can comprehend and that is not that hard to understand, but why don't the majority of Christians believe this fact and start piddling on about Salvation comes from the so called Jews, who reject Jesus in fact ?

As to strong delusions we can point this out as a work of Satan and I have just pointed such strong delusions out, how about another bunch of words that are nonsense, Anti-Semite for one is another bastardisation of reality, that creates delusions and it's a bloody good delusion tactic that Satanist use, because it becomes much like a bog hole that once you step into it your under siege, trapped in the ignorance of a obtuse word that does not mean what it truly is in fact at all. it's like dealing with a phantom. but only because fools believe in it.

How's another word that is just dribbling of deception, Political Correct ! their is no such a thing, one can not truly put the two words together because such is truly a blight ! ether one is correct or not and when you add 'Political' to correct, well you have just muddied the waters or tossed the baby out with the bath water ! not to mention that nothing is correct with anything political, such is in fact all a art form of lies and deceptions to be sure to be sure and nothing but.

n2thelight · Aug 1, 2019

Do we understand the verse

Matthew 24:38 "For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,"

To really understand we must go to Gen 6

They were eating and drinking, and marrying, and giving in marriage to the fallen angels. If you think that is not possible, that is exactly as it was in Noah's day as he entered into the ark. Friend that is what is starting to happen, where even churches are catering to Sodomy, and all forms of ancient Baalism, and they think it is of God, they are accepting it, because they are ignorant of God's holy word. Pray to God that you are not of that mind set, for it is part of the mark of the beast. No the mark of the beast is not any form of electronic devise, but a mind set that conforms to the doctrines of devils.

Before Christ returns the entire world will accept the doctrines of this locust army of fallen angels, because they will be taught in their church houses to do so. If you are not one of the elect, you will accept these angels as being from God, and you will agree with everything that they say, for if you do not have the seal of God in your forehead, you mind, God will allow the delusion to come over your mind. It is not to late to know the truth now, but that time is getting near when it will not be your choice.

Just before Jesus Christ return to earth these angels will be working miracles, with their leader, Satan, and this is possible because they are supernatural, just like Satan is. They are not of flesh our human substance. What happened in Genesis 6 is going to happen again, so make a point of getting to know the chapter.

At the return of Christ you will either be a Virgin or a whore,those are the only two choices.And I'll say this again,only Christians can be deceived,as the rest of the world already are..

Remember Christ said,come out of her my people,come out of what?

All nations in this world will take part in this confusion, and moral pollution is taking place now. The ten kings, or authorities [agencies] will also commit the moral and spiritual fornication, along with this "City of confusion" [Babylon]. The one world system [United Nations], and the merchants of the earth are going to become very rich over supplying this Babylon church with her robes, her jewelry, her idols, and places of worship. The big thing in industry will not be guns, but trinkets for the one world religious system.

Satan will come in peacefully and prosperously [Daniel 8:23-25], and he will preach the finest sermon most Christians have ever heard, so they will think [but it will be lies]. Satan is good at putting out the sweet talk, and though it sounds good, it will be a damnable twisted perverted lie.

Revelation 18:4 "And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues."

This is a warning direct from God through this mighty angel. "You come out of her, My people, that ye be not partakers of her sins."

The plagues will follow after this warning, and if you are with her, you will receive the plagues also, for God is warning you; and they will come.

The angels that come with satan are super natural as well

II Corinthians 11:14
"And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light."

Paul is saying that we should not let these false preachers be a marvel to us, "for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light". How can Satan be "transformed into an angel of light", when the Word of God says many times over and over that if you are of Satan, you are a child of the darkness? Something is terrible wrong here. Many people say that we are not to worry because Satan himself is going to be transformed into an angel of light, and they show their complete ignorance of God's Word. Lets read for ourselves what the Strong's Greek dictionary has to say about this word "transformed". The number in the Strong's Greek dictionary is # 3345.

"Metaschematizo, met-ask-ay-met-id-zo; from the Greek #3326, and a derivative of #4976; to transfigure or disguise; fig. to apply (by accommodation): -transfer, or transform (self)." So lets put this in the way that Paul actually said it in the manuscripts of his letter to the Corinthians. "Satan himself is coming disguised into an angel of light." That is how he will appear to those that are going to see him at his coming at the sixth trumpet. They will see him as they expect to see Jesus coming at the seventh trumpet, but they will be deceived by him, because he will appear to be what they expect to see Jesus to be. To "disguise" anything is to change and hide what it truly is, and make it appear to be that it is not.

Satan is coming disguised as an "angel of light", and the true "Angel of Light" is Jesus Christ. He is coming disguised as the Savior, and that is what this warning of Paul's is all about. Paul doesn't want you seduced by Satan spiritually, like many of the virgins of Christ will be. This is from the very parable that Christ put forth. Are you starting to understand a little more of our Heavenly Father's Word?

II Corinthians 11:15 "Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works."

These are the 7000 that die instantly at Christ return,they are super natural as well and have already been judged to death

n2thelight · Aug 1, 2019

So when and how will they come back to Christ (some, maybe most)?Let's look...

Mark 13:11 "But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost [Spirit]."

When this time comes into being in the very near future, it will not be the elect of God that does the speaking, but the Holy Spirit speaking in and through the mouths of His elect. Every one of these individuals will be delivered before these false councils before the final day of this earth age. This is why Peter would say to the people in Acts 2, on Pentecost day; "This is that which was spoken of by Joel the Prophet."

Acts 2:16: "But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;"

We can read this prophecy in Joel 2:28-32. These sons and daughters shall speak in a cloven tongue, as recorded in Acts 2:6; meaning that the language that they shall speak in will need no interpreter, for every one that hears will hear in their native tongue of the dialect of the neighborhood they grew up in. This is the way that the gospel will go forth in the last days, for it is the evidence of the presence of the Holy Spirit. These sons and daughters will speak, as stated in Mark 13:11, but whatsoever words they do speak in that hour, it will be the Holy Spirit that speaks through them.

Acts 2:17 "And it shall come to pass in the last days,' saith God, `I will pour out of My Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and you old men shall dream dreams:"

The Elect of God are the only ones that will reject the lie of satan being Christ.,And they will lead most out of that deception.

Which leads me to another question,how can the elect of God still be on earth at this time,if the Church is raptured,as aint no so called tribualtion saint can be an Elect.The Elect know the Word of God,therefore if there was a rapture they should had been the main ones leaving

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