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yeh
could you rephrase here, epi, i got lost up at the beginning of the description of vain religion; "if only you will stop being humble?"
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What I'm saying is that there is a big difference between being a servant of righteousness and a slave to a religious ideology that flouts righteousness as something foreign to it.
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14The city wall had 12 foundations, and the 12 names of the Lamb's 12 apostles were on the foundations
19The foundations of the city wall were adorned with every kind of precious stone: the first foundation jasper, so maybe not quite righteousness
(and the names of the twelve apostles are these)
your name is peter, and upon this rock i will build my church
ok and if you start about here, where the scene changes,
13When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, He asked His disciples, "Who do people say that the Son of Man is?"
and read down you note that Peter, stone, is the only apostle who is named, the "first" apostle, in this passage invoking bread, like apropos of nothing, and it's maybe a bit harder to extract but note Peter is getting corrected (later) here,
23But He turned and told Peter, "Get behind Me, Satan! You are an offense to Me because you're not thinking about God's concerns, but man's
and now note Peter is getting corrected pretty much all over the place by Jesus, one might even say "hammered," (jasper), other places too but in this passage about, suddenly, bread and Simon, son of Jonah a stone being like subtly singled out and hammered
(with, incidentally, a great little v about literal v metaphorical understanding tossed in,
11Why is it you don't understand that when I told you, Beware of the yeast of the Pharisees and Sadducees,' it wasn't about bread?"
and a built in refute to those who might claim that Peter is what the Church is being built on, rather than the revelation to Peter or even Peter getting hammered; get behind me, satan.
18And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the forces of Hades will not overpower it.
which once you get "hammered" it jumps out at you from everywhere, the masonic refs, rock, build, even overpower, and we started at "bread, leaven, pharisees" man, the allusions in here, what a passage, son of Jonah etc.
Jasper defined imo, while also managing to invoke Fish Ppl and turning stones into bread, and some other threads we havent even looked at embedded.
not denying that the (first) foundation might still be "righteousness" though--you guys could maybe even Quote it--just saying the "first" apostle is Peter, rock, and the first foundation is jasper, hammered, hmm, and the rest maybe i made up idk
19The foundations of the city wall were adorned with every kind of precious stone: the first foundation jasper, so maybe not quite righteousness
(and the names of the twelve apostles are these)
your name is peter, and upon this rock i will build my church
ok and if you start about here, where the scene changes,
13When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, He asked His disciples, "Who do people say that the Son of Man is?"
and read down you note that Peter, stone, is the only apostle who is named, the "first" apostle, in this passage invoking bread, like apropos of nothing, and it's maybe a bit harder to extract but note Peter is getting corrected (later) here,
23But He turned and told Peter, "Get behind Me, Satan! You are an offense to Me because you're not thinking about God's concerns, but man's
and now note Peter is getting corrected pretty much all over the place by Jesus, one might even say "hammered," (jasper), other places too but in this passage about, suddenly, bread and Simon, son of Jonah a stone being like subtly singled out and hammered
(with, incidentally, a great little v about literal v metaphorical understanding tossed in,
11Why is it you don't understand that when I told you, Beware of the yeast of the Pharisees and Sadducees,' it wasn't about bread?"
and a built in refute to those who might claim that Peter is what the Church is being built on, rather than the revelation to Peter or even Peter getting hammered; get behind me, satan.
18And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the forces of Hades will not overpower it.
which once you get "hammered" it jumps out at you from everywhere, the masonic refs, rock, build, even overpower, and we started at "bread, leaven, pharisees" man, the allusions in here, what a passage, son of Jonah etc.
Jasper defined imo, while also managing to invoke Fish Ppl and turning stones into bread, and some other threads we havent even looked at embedded.
not denying that the (first) foundation might still be "righteousness" though--you guys could maybe even Quote it--just saying the "first" apostle is Peter, rock, and the first foundation is jasper, hammered, hmm, and the rest maybe i made up idk
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we might note elsewhere how peter makes unqualified statements of fact or makes prophecies even 22Then Peter took Him aside and began to rebuke Him, "Oh no, Lord! This will never happen to You as if he um "knew" lol, and getting hammered for them; Peter likes to drive, iow, Jesus is Peter's copilot narf
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even
"Who do people say that the Son of Man is?"
15"But you," He asked them, "who do you say that I am?"
without inferring anyone specific like might be expected; iow it is the reader who is being asked, in a sense. Using a play on singular/plural "you"
and not even "And you" but But you to intro a separation, an imaginary separation, all while making them = on a diff level, couple diff levels, 12, etc
The name Simon: Summary
Meaning
He Who Hears
Snub Nosed (Not Semitic)
Etymology
From the verb שמע (shama'), to hear.
From the noun σιμος (simos), someone with a hollow face and a wide, flat nose.
yikes, just call me a monkey already lol
and the last shall be first
so i reckon the last apostle should be looked at too
striking rocks and getting water would be a similar fractal i guess
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even
"Who do people say that the Son of Man is?"
15"But you," He asked them, "who do you say that I am?"
without inferring anyone specific like might be expected; iow it is the reader who is being asked, in a sense. Using a play on singular/plural "you"
and not even "And you" but But you to intro a separation, an imaginary separation, all while making them = on a diff level, couple diff levels, 12, etc
The name Simon: Summary
Meaning
He Who Hears
Snub Nosed (Not Semitic)
Etymology
From the verb שמע (shama'), to hear.
From the noun σιμος (simos), someone with a hollow face and a wide, flat nose.
yikes, just call me a monkey already lol
and the last shall be first
so i reckon the last apostle should be looked at too
striking rocks and getting water would be a similar fractal i guess
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Sorry, we are still not on the same page, as you are actually describing the righteousness of a Scribe or Pharisee. They kept the letter of the law religiously, and stayed away from "Gentiles." The difference is NOT 1 John 1:9 every time we sin. 1 John 1:9 is how to become a Christian. Acts 2:38 “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. The indwelling Spirit is what makes the difference between a Pharisee and a Christian. Power over sin. That is the true "evidence" of being baptized with the Holy Spirit. (Gifts are extras. LOL)
1 John 3:9 "Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God" is not merely practicing sin, but commit. That is not even one time. Here is my analogy of what it is like when our carnal nature is baptized in the Holy Spirit and reborn with the "seed of God": "It is like being born with the nature of a lion, loving to kill, and having only a taste for blood and fresh meat. But the law says to not kill and only eat grass. Then that lion becomes born again into a divine new creature, a lamb. The lamb never desires to kill and loves to only eat fresh green grass. Therefore that law to not kill and eat only grass is very easy for the lamb, but impossible for the lion." You see, the lamb couldn't kill and eat meat and blood even once. It has no desire to. It is not in their nature. We do what comes naturally: either that of a lion, or that of a lamb. You can’t be both at the same time. Can the lamb become the lion again? Yes, if it willfully quenches the seed of God, the Holy Spirit. But at what price when he has "trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” says the Lord. And again, “The Lord will judge His people.” 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God." This is why Paul told Timothy to flee youthful lusts. Resist the devil, and he will flee.
So what was wrong with the Pharisee's method? You said it yourself: "yes there are those who do there very best to live the life" Doing your best is willpower - self. That is self-righteousness. Self-righteousness is not pride as some think. No it is doing something in your own power (self-power). The reason why the Law wasn't enough wasn't because there was something wrong with the Law - it was holy. The reason was it had to be kept with an unborn again sinful carnal nature! Romans 7:13. The born again person has been baptized in the Holy Spirit. They have received the divine nature of 2 Peter 1. It is the difference between before Christ and after Christ. The Law vs. The Spirit. Or Romans 7 vs. Romans 8. Do not be deceived into thinking that Romans 7 and 1 John 1:6, 8 and 10 are about Christians. If you do, let me know, and we can discuss further. It is why 1 John 1:9 is how to become a Christian cleansed of ALL SIN. If we are cleansed of all sin, even the desire which is the cause, and "free indeed" are you still a sinner as in 1 John 1:8? No! You are a child of God. 1 John 3:1 (actually the whole chapter contradicts 1 John 1:8).
So, no, we will not all sin as you stated. But you are not all wrong. We will never again sin against God, but we still can commit trespasses against each other, though unintentionally committed. (Leviticus 5:15). 1 John 5:14-15 are sins unto death - sins against God, the moral laws; and sins NOT unto death - trespasses unwittingly committed. If someone commits a trespass against us we must have forgiveness in our hearts toward them. Matthew 6:14-15. “For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15 But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses."
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really ? so you obey %100 you never get mad and sin ? there is sin of omission ad sin of commission..james wrote to him who knows to do good and dont is a sin.. wow 1john 1:9 is for the christian the Bible does say strive to enter at the strait gate last i studied sin was sin but have it your way YOUR missing the point Romans 6:13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God. nice to meet someone who doesn't sin. every thing written in the book is to the Christian back to righteousness
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See, you just committed a trespass against me. But I forgive you. I am going to send you my testimony in two parts.
There is no sin of omission if you are abiding in Christ. In Christ we are as He is in the world. We add sin into the mix when we mix ourselves with Christ. There can be no SELF in Christ. There is no mixture possible in holiness. Any mixture is outside of holiness. Any mixture with holiness is un-holiness.
Any self-effort just takes us farther away from Christ.
CharismaticLady
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Everything is TO Christians, but not everything is ABOUT Christians. 1 John 1:6, 8 and 10 is actually about 1 John 4:1-3, the Gnostic teaching of the Nicolaitans.
Context can be the whole book.
2 Corinthians 13:5
Examine yourselves as to whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Do you not know yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you?—unless indeed you are disqualified.
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hmmmm
James 4:17 (ESV) sin of omission
17 So whoever knows the right thing to do and fails to do it, for him it is sin
romans 7 :
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
do you walk in perfect obedience never falling short never failing God . you need to do some backtracking peter had a very hard time with himself..at pentecost he got it right 3 thousand saved was it him ? nahhh Christ in him
I don't know of any sin in Christ? Do you? In Him is no sin. That is our victory...enter into He who knew no sin and walk as He walked. How? By abiding in Him.
Too simple?
look i dont really care how you believe sin is there sin is all around us we can be influenced by sin . i dont focus on the sin . nevertheless it was good post discussing righteousness
But you have not answered if you believe there is sin in Christ or not...and how important that is. Can we enter into Christ with sins?
Do you understand that the blood of Christ cleanses us from ALL sin?
Or do you think Jesus harbours sin in Him?
So then the key to being holy and perfect as God is...is to enter into Christ who knew no sin.
Do you deny the power and holiness of Christ?
Do you deny that we can actually enter into Him to partake of His holiness and power?
I do believe that if anyone has been perfected in the for ever sense (Hebrews 10:14 (kjv)), that they do not consider themselves to have apprehended (Philippians 3:12-16, esp. v.15); and certainly will not boast about having been perfected (Ephesians 2:8-9).
If anyone is without sin, they do not know their own soul (Job 9:21) and therefore would never say that they are without sin (1 John 1:8).
In these things, I am attempting to say that entire sanctification is an attainable goal; while, if anyone were to attain to it, their attitude would be that they still have room to grow.
If anyone is without sin, they do not know their own soul (Job 9:21) and therefore would never say that they are without sin (1 John 1:8).
In these things, I am attempting to say that entire sanctification is an attainable goal; while, if anyone were to attain to it, their attitude would be that they still have room to grow.
look in ways are beliefs vary i do believe in free will very much ..Christ never had sin .but was made for sin sacrifice that we might be the righteousness of Christ ..your asking me questions that there is no need to answer ............i more than understand why WOULD I believe there is sin in Christ ? all i ask is back to the topic .i have chased enough rabbits
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