Hi Christina
Christina;73159]Rev. 7:1 After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth said:
[or earth] [/I]or on the sea or on any tree. 2Then I saw another angel coming up from the east, having the seal of the living God. He called out in a loud voice to the four angels who had been given power to harm the land and the sea: 3"Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God." 4Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel. Later reference is made to a differentiation between those who have been sealed and those who have not been sealed. Rev. 9:1 The fifth angel sounded his trumpet, and I saw a star that had fallen from the sky to the earth. The star was given the key to the shaft of the Abyss. 2When he opened the Abyss, smoke rose from it like the smoke from a gigantic furnace. The sun and sky were darkened by the smoke from the Abyss. 3And out of the smoke locusts came down upon the earth and were given power like that of scorpions of the earth. 4They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any plant or tree, but only those people who did not have the seal of God on their foreheads. 5They were not given power to kill them, but only to torture them for five months. And the agony they suffered was like that of the sting of a scorpion when it strikes a man. 6During those days men will seek death, but will not find it; they will long to die, but death will elude them. You can not have a condratiction of killing and not killing ? Therefore its us that has misunderstood a thing Gods word has no contradictions.
When i look at the scriptures you have quoted i cannot see any contradiction. The time that they will not be causing the deaths of the followers of the anti-christ will be
5 months as quoted. This is only stating that they will not be killing them for a limited time period. This scripture does not contradict other scripture that states that many followers of the anti-christ will be killed. On the day of the Messiah's return He will confrount an army of 200million followers of the anti-christ massed on the plains of Meggedo and he will destroy them all.
The delusion and the tribulation is upon the entire World its a One World government and a one World religion ... And I agree Christains who do not follow antichrist may not always have an easy time ...But this is exactly where faith come in God has promised to protect us ... Not with a Rapture ..but the way he has protected all his children throughout all history of this age.
I agree with you in that i do not believe in the pre-tribulation rapture, scripture tells me that there will be Christians on earth right up to the day of the Messiahs return. I believe God will perserve His true followers, but not from persection of death of the flesh. He will preserve our faith and trust Him Him. He will preserve our place in eternity with Him. When you think of it thats the only thing of true eternal value.
Jesus tells us about the end times:
Matthew 244 And Jesus answered and said to them: “Take heed that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many. 6 And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all[a]these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. 7 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.9
“Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake.Once again the real protection, the real preserving we need is our belief and trust in the atonment that Jesus has gained for us unto death.
This is the test so to speak do you trust your father to keep you safe? If its father you trust to protect you then we had better learn what He says about these times not what men say ....
Yes i do trust in God to keep me secure, Securty that is eternal. But Jesus said about our lives in this world:
John 1520 Remember the word that I said to you,
‘A servant is not greater than his master.’ If they persecuted Me, they will also persecute you. If they kept My word, they will keep yours also. So for me the Gods protection and preservation is not about protection of life in the flesh or protection from the hatred of others or protection from the loss of pysical possessions. it is about the guarding of my mind against deception and the giving me of streght and peace of mind to face whatever may come from those who have rejected the Love of the truth.
P.S. Whiteknuckle and Adstar this will not be suttle nor does the opinon many believers wont be taken in by the delusion hold water thats the point it will be so amazing that were it possiable even the very Elect of God would be fooled had not God shortened the time .... If the very Elect had to be resecued by God by this shortening the time what chance do the regular Christains who believe their Rapture lie and never bothered to learn what Gods Says have ??????
Here Christina i see that you have used words from the scriptures linking referances to the shortening of time of the wrath of God and the elect of God being guarded from deception. I cannot see that the shortening of time of the wrath of God is related to God preventing true Christians form being decived by the great deception of the anti-christ.
Mat 24:22And except those days should be shortened,
there should no flesh be saved: but
for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. The elect will rule on earth with Jesus during the 1000 years after the Messiah's return. They will be ruling flesh human beings. While the saints will no longer die and shall live through all the 1000 years, there will be others who will live and die as before decendants of those who have survived the wrath of God. They shall live and die as before.
So how do we battle this war for our souls .... Learn Gods Words and put on our spiritual armour .... Great faith will be required. There is no need for fear God has told us this. We are to trust him
Yes fear is the enamy, But Jesus revealed to us:
Matthew 1028 And do not fear those who
kill the body but cannot
kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.As Redeemed people who have eternity with God we should fear death at the hands of anti-christs or persecution.
There is great need for truth and understanding so that one is prepared. So their faith does not waver. God has foretold us all things are we listening?
And the concern i have is if people's faith is in being kept from persecution and execution then what will happen to their faith in God when they face such things? All Praise The Ancient Of Days
