skypair
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Exactly! The Reform/Calvinist tradition is to bring people into the church who simply believe in Christ — they "have an name that lives but are dead." (Rev 3:1) That is "establishment orthodoxy" in most churches. They don't care that, if Jesus isn't in their church (boat), they aren't saved. And meanwhile, so many people get fed up or confused by the image of a divided Christ (1Cor 1:13) that they "get away" from both "boats."mjrhealth said:Everything, apparently. The Protestant tradition is, basically, the Reform/Calvinist tradition that has infused all Christian thought since the Reformation. Issues like total depravity, faith alone in Christ alone … alone, Reform fate vs. biblical free will, conditional vs. unconditional salvation, … even the size of the atonement have been bantered around the most fundamental of church and denominational traditions. And each one of these is like a "baited hook" to "catch" Christians into the wrong "ship" and lose a whole bunch of others with the "broken net." I see Lk 5:4-11 as prefiguring the church that would come. The disciples were out fishing with Jesus in one boat .. the nets got so full that the net broke .. you see, the boats were 1) the church without Christ in it and 2) the boat with Christ in it. The net and the fish were being pulled in opposite directions until the nets broke and most of the fish got away. But in Jn 22, we see one boat and a huge catch of 157 large fish brought into the kingdom of Christ.Whats calvinism got to do with anything?
I keep hearing these things spoke off, have no idea of what it is, there is truth and there is lie. The established norm has a bad reputation of just what skypair said, Mat 23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
What they don't teach, mjr, is repentance. The OT taught repentance unto God (Isa 55:7-8), the disciples were sent out preaching "repent for the kingdom of God [Christ] is at hand" (Mt 4:17), from Acts 2:38-26:20 the disciples taught that ALL men must repent in order to be saved, and in 1Cor 15:38 Paul taught that "that which you sow is not quickened except it die [repent]." Any church that does not preach "repentance unto life" (Acts 11:18) is Christian in name only. They believe the gospel but they do not believe in obeying the gospel.never giving them enough to follow Christ just enough to make them attend church.
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