2 Months and 1/2 Are Left Until the Two Witnesses of Revelation Appear

[gaviria.christian]

There are 27 countries in the EU and they are not that united. The WEF touts 140 countries as participants of this New World Order and it has exercised it's power during the pandemic; but I think this world dominance will be a religious one, not economic. Money will be worthless during the GT - I doubt if gold or silver will be either. This will be about who's your God, who are you going to choose to worship?
You mentioned Rome being destroyed later on? Newsflash, every city will be destroyed.

Only 10 nations will form into the Unites States of Europe, in 3 years.

 

[gaviria.christian]

Oh yes ... the Revised Roman Empire theory. I don't agree with that. The Eastern Roman Empire contined to the 15th century. That was the 6th empire. The 7th was the Ottoman Empire.
"The Ottoman Empire officially ended in 1922 when the title of Ottoman Sultan was eliminated. Turkey was declared a republic on October 29, 1923."
So the death of the 7th horn apparently has come back to life and becomes the 8th.
Besides that, who has been foes of Israel since it became a nation? Islamic countries surround it. Iran wants it annihilated and likely has nukes already.
Where was the throne of Satan? PERGAMOS, an ancient town in present day Turkey.

The 7 heads of the beast are,

1 - Egyptians
2 - Assyrians
3 - Babylonians
4- Medo-Persians
5 - Greeks
6 - Romans
7 - Arabs
8 - United States of Europe

The 7th head were the Arabs, who built the Dome of the Rock. Today we know them as the Muslims, and through them Islam was formed, in Saudi Arabia. And through them the Dome of the Rock was built. Then the 8th head will be the United States of Europe, which is essentially the 6th head again, Rome. The head that was slain and lived again, the Roman empire.

 

[gaviria.christian]

You must council me? Did you read the whole letter, or just those three verses from James 3?


Read it to it's conclusion-- where it talks about the one who stores up treasures in silver and gold, but doesn't pay his contractors.

Come now, you rich! Weep and cry aloud over the miseries that are coming on you. Your riches have rotted and your clothing has become moth-eaten. Your gold and silver have rusted and their rust will be a witness against you. It will consume your flesh like fire. It is in the last days that you have hoarded treasure! Look, the pay you have held back from the workers who mowed your fields cries out against you, and the cries of the reapers have reached the ears of the Lord of Heaven’s Armies. You have lived indulgently and luxuriously on the earth. You have fattened your hearts in a day of slaughter. You have condemned and murdered the righteous person, although he does not resist you.

And here's the final word--

My brothers and sisters, if anyone among you wanders from the truth and someone turns him back, he should know that the one who turns a sinner back from his wandering path will save that person’s soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins.

While maybe your concern is for his feelings, mine is for his soul. I don't curse him. It's reporting on a description of the suspect-- that's what a witness does, right? They say what they see and hear. They shine a light on it and examine it-- without worrying what people will say or do, neither the pearl-clutching crowd nor any other. Do you think it's better to 'respect' his claims? It's the most disrespectful thing you could do.

In a week @gaviria.christian is going to be humiliated, disillusioned, depressed, deeply embarrassed and God-willing he will be humble enough to seek forgiveness from the Father. I'll come alongside him as one who told him the truth and tried to snap him out of the deception that has gripped him and imprisoned his mind for years. That delusion has guided his every action including some very destructive behavior that will only diminish the name and reputation of God- while those 'unsaved' people you are worried about look on and determine that Christians are nutty. It's disrespectful to think that he's too crazy to repent. That he's too far gone.

I think he's intelligent and blind. He may also be arrogant to the degree that instead of finding himself in humble repentance, he simply doubles down on his claims despite being completely wrong about those ideas he's come to believe. The longer he remains in the pit he's dug for himself, the worse off he will be. I'm offering him a rope to take with him. It's not mean. It's what he'll need most in a week.

Much more than platitudes.

Its comical that you people call yourselves "believers" of Yeshua and the scriptures, yet here you are disbelieving the scriptures. Do you not understand that the year 6,000 is approaching? Our debate should not be whether these events will happen, because they will happen, but if I have calculated the year 6,000 correctly.

 

[No Pre-TB]

You must council me? Did you read the whole letter, or just those three verses from James 3?


Read it to it's conclusion-- where it talks about the one who stores up treasures in silver and gold, but doesn't pay his contractors.

Come now, you rich! Weep and cry aloud over the miseries that are coming on you. Your riches have rotted and your clothing has become moth-eaten. Your gold and silver have rusted and their rust will be a witness against you. It will consume your flesh like fire. It is in the last days that you have hoarded treasure! Look, the pay you have held back from the workers who mowed your fields cries out against you, and the cries of the reapers have reached the ears of the Lord of Heaven’s Armies. You have lived indulgently and luxuriously on the earth. You have fattened your hearts in a day of slaughter. You have condemned and murdered the righteous person, although he does not resist you.

And here's the final word--

My brothers and sisters, if anyone among you wanders from the truth and someone turns him back, he should know that the one who turns a sinner back from his wandering path will save that person’s soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins.

While maybe your concern is for his feelings, mine is for his soul. I don't curse him. It's reporting on a description of the suspect-- that's what a witness does, right? They say what they see and hear. They shine a light on it and examine it-- without worrying what people will say or do, neither the pearl-clutching crowd nor any other. Do you think it's better to 'respect' his claims? It's the most disrespectful thing you could do.

In a week @gaviria.christian is going to be humiliated, disillusioned, depressed, deeply embarrassed and God-willing he will be humble enough to seek forgiveness from the Father. I'll come alongside him as one who told him the truth and tried to snap him out of the deception that has gripped him and imprisoned his mind for years. That delusion has guided his every action including some very destructive behavior that will only diminish the name and reputation of God- while those 'unsaved' people you are worried about look on and determine that Christians are nutty. It's disrespectful to think that he's too crazy to repent. That he's too far gone.

I think he's intelligent and blind. He may also be arrogant to the degree that instead of finding himself in humble repentance, he simply doubles down on his claims despite being completely wrong about those ideas he's come to believe. The longer he remains in the pit he's dug for himself, the worse off he will be. I'm offering him a rope to take with him. It's not mean. It's what he'll need most in a week.

Much more than platitudes.

If your concern is for his soul, then speak in love. Going forward, I'm sure your future replies will encapsulate that.

 

[No Pre-TB]

Rev. 17:3,7
So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns...
7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
( mountains represent empires: Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo- Persian, Greek, Roman, Ottoman and their kings)

10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
(Ottoman -1299 - 1923)

11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
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Daniel 7

7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly ... and it had ten horns.
8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
20. And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.
21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;
22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.
24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.
27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

You quoted scripture but left no point. I'm unsure what you're getting at.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Only 10 nations will form into the Unites States of Europe, in 3 years.

So you say ... but I think war is coming soon to the Middle East. If it does, that will hasten the 12th Imam (Antichrist) to show up in Mecca on July 29, 2023 (if war happens this year). Likely there will be a new Caliphate in Iran or Turkey. It will be no surprise to the world, since Islamic nations and terrorists have been attacking Israel for 75 years.
On the home front, Russia may ignite that doomsday nuke under the Atlantic and wipe out NY and Washington to keep us busy. And since Biden has let 6 million illegals aliens across the border, likely thousands of Islamic peoples ( soon to be terrorists) have entered. They have been forming cells that will explode in all the major cities at a given time. Europe is inundated with Islamic people as well, so once this Caliphate is realized, Jihad across the planet will erupt.
>> Just speculation of course.

 

[Mr E]

Its comical that you people call yourselves "believers" of Yeshua and the scriptures, yet here you are disbelieving the scriptures. Do you not understand that the year 6,000 is approaching? Our debate should not be whether these events will happen, because they will happen, but if I have calculated the year 6,000 correctly.

I'm glad you find humor in it Christian. Your mathematical assumptions notwithstanding- the season is upon us indeed, but your expectation of what that will mean is in error. Put simply- you don't know what you are talking about. And you can study Torah for the next 100 years and not come away with as much as a loaf of bread in terms of spiritual understanding because understanding comes through revelation, not through study. If you understood that the gates had been opened for years already and already his enemies have been gathered under his feet, then perhaps you could begin to understand the times and the battle ahead.

But now Christ has been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead also came through a man. For just as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive. But each in his own order: Christ, the firstfruits; then when Christ comes, those who belong to him. Then comes the end, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father, when he has brought to an end all rule and all authority and power. For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. The last enemy to be eliminated is death. For he has put everything in subjection under his feet. But when it says “everything” has been put in subjection, it is clear that this does not include the one who put everything in subjection to him. And when all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will be subjected to the one who subjected everything to him, so that God may be all in all.

 

[Mr E]

I hope you don't mind me reposting images and messages from your website-- please let me know if it bothers or embarrasses you.

Here is the lovely home studio- where @gaviria.christian plans to broadcast his messages to the world beginning next week. You can see it isn't quite done, but I'm sure he can whip his contractors a little to get things wrapped up.




I wonder if those broadcasts will include a weather report? Something like-- Here's your AccuWeather forecast for the next ten days and actually three and a half years..... No rain.

Let's check in with the actual Weather Channel....

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[Mr E]

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

You quoted scripture but left no point. I'm unsure what you're getting at.

You said, "It is the head that was wounded by the sword and did live....that becomes the 8th. Not a horn."
I tried to accentuate the theme in bold letters. The 7 heads were mountains ( empires) with their ruling kings. So the dead blow could be interpreted as the fall of that 7th empire, the Ottoman Empire,which comes to life again 100 years later. The world has witnessed Islam invading all corners of the earth, European countries, African countries, 9/11 ... just wait till they secure a Caliphate in Iran or Turkey. Then you will see a Jihad like never before.
The horns are also kings, as we see the little horn that emerges is the Antichrist. I just think he wil be an Islamic leader. This is all about worship, what god you will choose, not economic power, but religion. You have to ask, what will be the motive for ten nations attacking Israel? It's not about money or resources. Islam hates the Jews and the Christians. They want to be the only religion on the planet. But Christ will come and destroys all other religions.

 

[No Pre-TB]

The horns are also kings, as we see the little horn that emerges is the Antichrist. I just think he wil be an Islamic leader.

We don't know if the 11th horn is Antichrist. That is an assumption by many. Is it possible? Sure. We do know the horn with a mouth speaking blasphemy is the man of sin.

I just think he wil be an Islamic leader.

Some people tend to believe that. Personally, I don't know. I understand the rationalizing behind that theory. Currently, I'm persuaded more towards someone in the Church.

You have to ask, what will be the motive for ten nations attacking Israel?

Who said physical Israel would be attacked? Doesn't Revelation say in 12:17,
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

they want to be the only religion on the planet.

Sounds like Christians and Jews too.

Islam hates the Jews and the Christians.

Not all Islamists hate others. Perhaps many do have a feeling of bias for their religion over others. Don't Christians have the same bias?
I would categorize them as Extreme, faithful, and those who celebrate when it's convenient. Don't Christians in title do the same?
We have Christians that hate others. Christians that demonize and wag their finger at sinners. Christians that believe they supersede the Jews. We definitely have our own problems we need to deal with.

But Christ will come and destroys all other religions.

He will start at his house first and we will receive more stripes than the wicked person who never heard the gospel.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

We don't know if the 11th horn is Antichrist. That is an assumption by many. Is it possible? Sure. We do know the horn with a mouth speaking blasphemy is the man of sin.


Some people tend to believe that. Personally, I don't know. I understand the rationalizing behind that theory. Currently, I'm persuaded more towards someone in the Church.


Who said physical Israel would be attacked? Doesn't Revelation say in 12:17,
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Sounds like Christians and Jews too.


Not all Islamists hate others. Perhaps many do have a feeling of bias for their religion over others. Don't Christians have the same bias?
I would categorize them as Extreme, faithful, and those who celebrate when it's convenient. Don't Christians in title do the same?
We have Christians that hate others. Christians that demonize and wag their finger at sinners. Christians that believe they supersede the Jews. We definitely have our own problems we need to deal with.


He will start at his house first and we will receive more stripes than the wicked person who never heard the gospel.

Much of what you write is true.
Rev. 12 is a parenthetical chapter not in any chronologocal order with Trumpet events. It may have a dual symbolic meaning that applies to the GT? The birth of Christ is in there, which is historical. And the Dragon started going after her seed back in the first century. There are several of these out of sink parenthetical citations in Revelation that throw people off. Rev. 7 is another. There are four angels delaying any destruction to the earth, YET in the previous chapter we see wars, famine and death to 2 billion and a worldwide quake which moves mountains and islands out of there place. So the sealing must occur prior to the destruction.

 

[Wrangler]

understanding because understanding comes through revelation,

7 years of college for nothing?!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Are 2 lampstands 2 people?

Revelation 11:4
the two lampstands that stand before the Lord of the earth

Revelation 1:20
the seven lampstands are the seven churches.

How are they just 2 people if the lampstands represent 2 church types full of countless men? And the only 2 lampstands out of the 7 that were not at fault were Smyrna and Philadelphia.

If it were just 2 men, why were they called lampstands?

Gill says,
this shows that churches, as well as ministers, are designed by the witnesses, since the candlesticks are explained of the churches, Revelation 1:20, though the simile well agrees with ministers of the word, who are the lights of the world, or hold forth the light of the Gospel, which is put into them by Christ

Why? Because in your mind, a lampstand must always represent churches and not people. but if you look at the language in the original languages, you would have no problem recognizing these are just two individuals.

they are called lampstands because there are two men (plural) and not one.

I care not what gil says. He is just a man like the rest of us and subject to be wrong. Just because he lived a long time ago doesn't make his opinions SCripture.

 

[Wrangler]

I hope you don't mind me reposting images and messages from your website-- please let me know if it bothers or embarrasses you.

Here is the lovely home studio- where @gaviria.christian plans to broadcast his messages to the world beginning next week. You can see it isn't quite done, but I'm sure he can whip his contractors a little to get things wrapped up.

I wonder if those broadcasts will include a weather report? Something like-- Here's your AccuWeather forecast for the next ten days and actually three and a half years..... No rain.

Let's check in with the actual Weather Channel....

Why resort to mockery?

 

[Mr E]

7 years of college for nothing?!

Don't be a jackass and for goodness sake don't ever be a dishonest one. It's entirely dishonest to snip a person's words when supposedly quoting them, to make it appear they said something other than what they really said. Did you do seven years at a spiritual college in the heavens?

in terms of spiritual understanding

 

[Mr E]

Why resort to mockery?

Is this a question for me? Or about college?

 

[Wrangler]

Don't be a jackass and for goodness sake don't ever be a dishonest one. It's entirely dishonest to snip a person's words when supposedly quoting them, to make it appear they said something other than what they really said. Did you do seven years at a spiritual college in the heavens?

You can assert that ‘spiritual’ makes any difference in dissing the importance of study - on any subject.

Yes, I agree revelation is a great gift from God. Still, his word is another gift and wise people have studied it for Millenia with good reason.

 

[Wrangler]

Is this a question for me? Or about college?

For you. Why resort to mockery? Either the OP is right or wrong. If he is right, God help us all. If he is wrong, may God help him.

 

[Wrangler]

Don't be a jackass

Do you praise your lord and savior with that mouth? I must have hit pretty close to home to get you all riled up like that.