America’s Choice: A Christian Nation or Part of the New World Order?

[JohnPaul]

I find it sad to see that most who are born and raised in the US have no idea how the rest of the world perceives America and it’s chosen way of life......no country in the world is not suffering from the consequences of humans thinking that man can solve the problems that he himself has created.....

Man will never solve the problems because man IS the problem.....God is allowing us to see first hand that we can’t be told....we have to be shown what disobedience inevitably leads to, but some are just too blinded by indoctrination to realise what is happening all around them. (2 Corinthians 4:3-4)
Tell me what nation is not in turmoil at present? We are fast approaching the time when Jesus said...concerning the time of his return as judge.....
“Also, there will be signs in the sun and moon and stars, and on the earth anguish of nations not knowing the way out because of the roaring of the sea and its agitation. 26 People will become faint out of fear and expectation of the things coming upon the inhabited earth, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken. And then they will see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28 But as these things start to occur, stand up straight and lift up your heads, because your deliverance is getting near.”

This world is like Frankenstein’s monster.....it’s “alive”.... but who is giving it breath? I assure you it’s not God....and the monster will soon be gone forever, to be replaced by the rulership we should have had all along. I thank Jehovah for that hope. (Revelation 21:2-4)

How does the rest of the world see us Aunty Jane?

 

[JohnPaul]

Jehovah handed the world over to satan when the rebellion first happened in Eden. He had a very good reason to do that....to show the devil and all whom he would be able to deceive, that when you leave God and ignore his laws, nothing good can come of it. A record would be created of all the devastating consequences of man’s rule under the devil’s influence, establishing precedents that would stand for all time to come. This was so that no rebel would ever be able to abuse their free will and defy the Creator again. Experience is the greatest teacher.

Every issue raised by the devil in Eden would be answered in a way that could never be disputed....Jehovah gave the human race over to the ‘god’ they had chosen to serve. He basically gave them “enough rope” and we are now living in the final moments before the ‘hanging’.

The belief that that any country had/has God’s blessing is a sad illusion....one caused by the counterfeiter....the master of illusion....the manipulator of human emotions. The American dream was just that....it was never real because the deceiver has managed to hoodwink the world into believing that humans can manage their own affairs with human governments that have sacrificed many lives for something that was never there....God’s blessing can never be on any blood-spilling nation. (Isaiah 1:15) God can only bless obedient individuals within any nation who choose to separate themselves from satan’s system, (it’s corrupt politics, greedy commercialism and false religion) and show by their obedience to God, where their loyalties lie.

We can clearly see, especially since the beginning of “the time of the end” that the more power you give humans, the more corrupt they become. Jehovah is lifting the lid on this corrupt system that is soon to be taken down.....where will we find ourselves? On Jehovah’s side or blindly supporting satan’s decaying system?

Is this really what you want to defend? We have to be found to be “NO PART OF THE WORLD” if we want to live in the real one.....the one Jehovah created for us in the first place....it’s not too late, until the door of opportunity is closed. That is not too far away...decide now who you want to serve....once the door is closed, like the door of Noah’s ark....our fate is sealed.

Aunty Jane, I'm sorry but I will not turn my back on my country and will defend it with my last dying breath.

 

[dhh712]

Your obvious paranoia has blinded you to reality! Why are you so consumed with hatred??? You're not even living in the US, so why the rant?

Paranoia? Outside of the statement you've bolded, he's just stating the facts. I'm not sure where you're getting consumed with hatred either. He's stating facts that support his argument which seems pretty clear to me. Satan has overrun this country, which I do live in, and I agree with everything he's said. This is a pagan nation and God has judged it; this is the result of his judgment: insatiable geed (demonic influence upon corrupt man) has destroyed this nation. There is no coming back from it unless the church repents and turns to Jesus; perhaps the Lord will be merciful then.

You forget that God is sovereign, and just as He handed over Job to Satan in order to destroy him (but with an ultimately good result), He has handed the USA over to Satan to destroy it (with catastrophic results). When essential gasoline at the pumps more than doubles in price within a matter of months for no good reason, that is a major attack on ordinary citizens, who depend upon their vehicles as necessary transportation. The end result will be the destruction of individuals, families, homes, businesses, the economy, and eventually the nation.

Add to this (1) food shortages created deliberately, (2) infant formula shortages created deliberately, and (3) sky high inflation created deliberately because of INSANE AND OBSCENE government spending (which is mostly wasted). 75% of the PPP payments were fraudulently stolen. That is billions of dollars down the drain. Several billions have been shipped to Iran and now to Ukraine. All this money is down the drain. And this is only the tip of the iceberg.

Everything you said here is exactly what is going on and those who do not realize this are disturbingly blind and most likely naïve too. All the garbage going on with "shortages" and inflation are deliberate. There is absolutely no reason for it. The only reason is this: insatiable greed obtained by trodding upon those who do not have as much. All they who have everything in this world gained by slaying those who do not have as much will face an indescribable judgment by God. Their lives are swiftly coming to an end and all the mountains of wealth they will no longer have; instead they will face the rage of an All Powerful Lord and I tremble at his punishment upon them. Jesus says it will not end. I sure hope that it will.

Jehovah handed the world over to satan when the rebellion first happened in Eden. He had a very good reason to do that....to show the devil and all whom he would be able to deceive, that when you leave God and ignore his laws, nothing good can come of it. A record would be created of all the devastating consequences of man’s rule under the devil’s influence, establishing precedents that would stand for all time to come. This was so that no rebel would ever be able to abuse their free will and defy the Creator again. Experience is the greatest teacher.

Every issue raised by the devil in Eden would be answered in a way that could never be disputed....Jehovah gave the human race over to the ‘god’ they had chosen to serve. He basically gave them “enough rope” and we are now living in the final moments before the ‘hanging’.

The belief that that any country had/has God’s blessing is a sad illusion....one caused by the counterfeiter....the master of illusion....the manipulator of human emotions. The American dream was just that....it was never real because the deceiver has managed to hoodwink the world into believing that humans can manage their own affairs with human governments that have sacrificed many lives for something that was never there....God’s blessing can never be on any blood-spilling nation. (Isaiah 1:15) God can only bless obedient individuals within any nation who choose to separate themselves from satan’s system, (it’s corrupt politics, greedy commercialism and false religion) and show by their obedience to God, where their loyalties lie.

We can clearly see, especially since the beginning of “the time of the end” that the more power you give humans, the more corrupt they become. Jehovah is lifting the lid on this corrupt system that is soon to be taken down.....where will we find ourselves? On Jehovah’s side or blindly supporting satan’s decaying system?

Is this really what you want to defend? We have to be found to be “NO PART OF THE WORLD” if we want to live in the real one.....the one Jehovah created for us in the first place....it’s not too late, until the door of opportunity is closed. That is not too far away...decide now who you want to serve....once the door is closed, like the door of Noah’s ark....our fate is sealed.

I agree with you on all of this, Jane. This country is not my home. I am a stranger in a strange land. I am loyal to her laws so long as they do not contradict the laws of my God. I will not defend her crimes against humanity and my ultimate loyalty is to my true home which is the heavenly kingdom of God. This is the only place which I will defend to my dying breath. This country, only as long as in serving it I am serving and honoring my God; should that not be the case I will most definitely turn my back on her.

 

[Phoneman777]

Christian nationalism is the belief that the American nation is defined by Christianity and that the government must act to keep it that way. The New World Order is an emerging world government that will eventually take over. What will America choose?

America’s Choice: A Christian Nation or Part of the New World Order?

Seeing that the U.S. is the Second Beast of Revelation 13 which arose as the Papal First Beast was going down, saying the U.S. will be a part of the NWO is an understatement: the U.S. will be both the engine driving it and a war machine compelling membership to it.

 

[Rapture and End Times]

I see some great points in the debate on our post. This may be time to go back and review the original message: America’s Choice: A Christian Nation or Part of the New World Order?

 

[Jim B]

I find it sad to see that most who are born and raised in the US have no idea how the rest of the world perceives America and it’s chosen way of life......no country in the world is not suffering from the consequences of humans thinking that man can solve the problems that he himself has created.....

Man will never solve the problems because man IS the problem.....God is allowing us to see first hand that we can’t be told....we have to be shown what disobedience inevitably leads to, but some are just too blinded by indoctrination to realise what is happening all around them. (2 Corinthians 4:3-4)
Tell me what nation is not in turmoil at present? We are fast approaching the time when Jesus said...concerning the time of his return as judge.....
“Also, there will be signs in the sun and moon and stars, and on the earth anguish of nations not knowing the way out because of the roaring of the sea and its agitation. 26 People will become faint out of fear and expectation of the things coming upon the inhabited earth, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken. And then they will see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28 But as these things start to occur, stand up straight and lift up your heads, because your deliverance is getting near.”

This world is like Frankenstein’s monster.....it’s “alive”.... but who is giving it breath? I assure you it’s not God....and the monster will soon be gone forever, to be replaced by the rulership we should have had all along. I thank Jehovah for that hope. (Revelation 21:2-4)

It's God world, and always has been sin He created it. End of story.

 

[Enoch111]

You forget all the illegals the money is going towards to support.

As I said, that was only the tip of the iceberg. Obama, Clinton, and Biden should all have been indicted for treason a long time ago, and locked up. People are forgetting that during Trump's rallies "Lock her up!" was being chanted daily, but no one locked up Hillary. Instead they all are flourishing while destroying America. And the true patriots are locked up in a gulag and getting lengthy prison sentences for simply protesting against the government.

 

[Davy]

Accidentally or purposeful, it is highly significant that those two concepts of government, American republicanism and global tyranny should be lumped together in one space. It is worrying that Americans cannot see their own Christian ministers and pastors leading them into tyranny.

What a crock by someone who doesn't understand what's going on in their own country, much less in the U.S.

The globalists took up yal's guns years ago, didn't they? What did they leave to protect yourselves with, a butcher knife?

Jesus told His servants in Luke 22 to go BUY A SWORD for those who did not have one.

I guess that leaves you guys out, and most of Europe too, while the Communist and radical Islamic nations continue to BUILD their arms! even to their citizens! And amazing how the globalists under the U.N. protect the right of those in Islamic countries for each family to own an AK-47 (fully automatic one too)!

 

[MatthewG]

Hello to you whoever may read this,

To have a Christian nation everyone in that nation would have to be Christian.

The term "Christian nation" is not logical in my opinion unless you segment you and yourself with other individuals in your own nation "deemed" Christian.

It possible for me to be wrong, but America was founded on Christian principles to some degree but that is it.

 

[Davy]

Hello to you whoever may read this,

To have a Christian nation everyone in that nation would have to be Christian.

The term "Christian nation" is not logical in my opinion unless you segment you and yourself with other individuals in your own nation "deemed" Christian.

It possible for me to be wrong, but America was founded on Christian principles to some degree but that is it.

If you leave the idea of the western nations (Europe and the U.S., and Canada) being Christian nations, then it means to wrongly apply the idea of paganism to them. Is that what the majority of peoples in Europe, the U.S., and Canada represent today, pagan idolaters?

Those who reject Christ Jesus have always been among the western Christian nations. Even many of the young in these nations that have not yet admitted Jesus still have had some influence and understanding from Christians. If there are Christians that are AFRAID to talk about their Faith to the unbelievers, then they are not being true to Lord Jesus.

 

[MatthewG]

If you leave the idea of the western nations (Europe and the U.S., and Canada) being Christian nations, then it means to wrongly apply the idea of paganism to them. Is that what the majority of peoples in Europe, the U.S., and Canada represent today, pagan idolaters?

Those who reject Christ Jesus have always been among the western Christian nations. Even many of the young in these nations that have not yet admitted Jesus still have had some influence and understanding from Christians. If there are Christians that are AFRAID to talk about their Faith to the unbelievers, then they are not being true to Lord Jesus.

The problem is to deem a nation Christian, every single individual would confess they believe in the Lord Jesus Christ.

The truth is not everyone believes in Christ in the Nation of America, or Europe, or anywhere. It simply doesn't exist.

What does exist are individuals who are partaking in being in the Heavenly Kingdom now in the spiritual sense, sir.

All people need to confess they are Christian for a 'Nation' to be deemed a Christian Nation, is similar to 'Christian Culture' - which for the most part are confessing Jesus and part of a certain aspect of some sort of belief in some degree or another though they may not all be the exact same - save believing in the Lord - who died, was buried and resurrected again by God.

 

[Aunty Jane]

How does the rest of the world see us Aunty Jane?

Not meaning to be offensive, but I guess we are mostly gob-smacked at the almost weekly news of mass shootings by mentally unbalanced individuals in the US, who are allowed to purchase assault rifles and shoot up a school or other event, yet your citizens can’t seem to see what the problem is.....there is such an ingrained indoctrination about weapons, that apparently there is no altering the mind set....it is instilled from childhood. It’s basically brainwashing....no other civilised nation on earth experiences death by gun violence like the US does. Have you never asked why?

“Defending your country” is not really what America is about, viewing it from the outside....in reality, its defending yourselves personally from other Americans. The external threat is not nearly as deadly as the internal one. How can you all not see this? Who or what has created this situation that makes life so precarious for everyone? It means that you all live in constant fear. Is that what God wants for you?

Jesus said if you live by the sword (gun/any weapon) you will die by the sword (gun/any weapon)
If our loyalty is divided, then who has our heart? There are only two sides....Jehovah and the devil. We choose who to serve. Who do you want to serve? You cannot have a foot in both camps. Can you tell me what it is that you think you are defending?

Are the ones who rule (or who have ruled) your country (or any other country) doing a great job? Look around you.....the whole world is in a chaotic mess and there is nothing anyone in any government can do to fix it....the bloodshed never stops.....and they are the cause of it all because of who is running this show, manipulating them all from behind the scenes. (1 John 5:19)
Jehovah is about to bring it all down....
Unless you can divorce yourself from satan’s inept and corrupt system, you will be found fighting on the wrong side of this war.
“Sheep or goats”....that’s all there is at the end of this world system. Who will you die for?

Aunty Jane, I'm sorry but I will not turn my back on my country and will defend it with my last dying breath.

This saddens me beyond belief John. No one is asking you to turn your back on your country....there are ways to demonstrate love for your neighbors that doesn’t involve supporting the political elements of satan’s world or their godlessness. You can tell them about God’s solution with the coming of his Kingdom. Read Daniel 2:44 and see what will become of the kingdoms of this world when God brings in the rule of his Kingdom. If we have a dying breath, it should be defending God’s Kingdom, not man’s.....

Be careful what you wish for.... my heart is breaking....because I love you....

 

[JohnPaul]

Not meaning to be offensive, but I guess we are mostly gob-smacked at the almost weekly news of mass shootings by mentally unbalanced individuals in the US, who are allowed to purchase assault rifles and shoot up a school or other event, yet your citizens can’t seem to see what the problem is.....there is such an ingrained indoctrination about weapons, that apparently there is no altering the mind set....it is instilled from childhood. It’s basically brainwashing....no other civilised nation on earth experiences death by gun violence like the US does. Have you never asked why?

“Defending your country” is not really what America is about, viewing it from the outside....in reality, its defending yourselves personally from other Americans. The external threat is not nearly as deadly as the internal one. How can you all not see this? Who or what has created this situation that makes life so precarious for everyone? It means that you all live in constant fear. Is that what God wants for you?

Jesus said if you live by the sword (gun/any weapon) you will die by the sword (gun/any weapon)
If our loyalty is divided, then who has our heart? There are only two sides....Jehovah and the devil. We choose who to serve. Who do you want to serve? You cannot have a foot in both camps. Can you tell me what it is that you think you are defending?

Are the ones who rule (or who have ruled) your country (or any other country) doing a great job? Look around you.....the whole world is in a chaotic mess and there is nothing anyone in any government can do to fix it....the bloodshed never stops.....and they are the cause of it all because of who is running this show, manipulating them all from behind the scenes. (1 John 5:19)
Jehovah is about to bring it all down....
Unless you can divorce yourself from satan’s inept and corrupt system, you will be found fighting on the wrong side of this war.
“Sheep or goats”....that’s all there is at the end of this world system. Who will you die for?


This saddens me beyond belief John. No one is asking you to turn your back on your country....there are ways to demonstrate love for your neighbors that doesn’t involve supporting the political elements of satan’s world or their godlessness. You can tell them about God’s solution with the coming of his Kingdom. Read Daniel 2:44 and see what will become of the kingdoms of this world when God brings in the rule of his Kingdom. If we have a dying breath, it should be defending God’s Kingdom, not man’s.....

Be careful what you wish for.... my heart is breaking....because I love you....

I love you too Aunty Jane, but our country would be much worse without guns, if all law abiding citizens had guns there would be a lot less mass shootings, as we could drop the guy before he or she would have the opportunity to shoot anyone.

They will never get rid of our rights to bear arms, it’s our God given right.

Yes there was someone who was running our country the way it is suppose to be and that President, who technically is still President because they rigged the elections and stole his Presidency is President Donald J. Trump, the only President in a long time who genuinely cared about America and Americans, instead of selling our country out and us Americans out.

Much love to you sister forever and always.

 

[Aunty Jane]

I love you too Aunty Jane, but our country would be much worse without guns, if all law abiding citizens had guns there would be a lot less mass shootings, as we could drop the guy before he or she would have the opportunity to shoot anyone.

That mind set is incomprehensible to me....as it would be to most outsiders who live under other democratic systems of government. We are seeing democracy failing like all other man made systems inevitably have...and do.

Only a genuine (as opposed to a counterfeit) Theocracy is rule by God, which will be coming to this earth very soon as God’s Kingdom, in the capable hands of Jesus Christ.....will be wiping out every form of man-made government...and those who blindly support them.

They will never get rid of our rights to bear arms, it’s our God given right.

I have to ask again John....who are “they”? Jehovah? Jesus?
“God given”? Really?....God does not give us the right to kill anyone. When Jesus said to “do to others what you would have them do to you”...and to “love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you”.....do you really see any sanction in Jesus’ words to justify what you have been taught from childhood? What is “God-given” is our conscience.

Yes there was someone who was running our country the way it is suppose to be and that President, who technically is still President because they rigged the elections and stole his Presidency is President Donald J. Trump, the only President in a long time who genuinely cared about America and Americans, instead of selling our country out and us Americans out.

Do you understand what propaganda is John? It’s what Hitler used to convince his supporters that he was the best one to govern their country. He had propaganda films made that portrayed his rulership as the most beneficial for the country...even presenting the treatment of the Jews as them being taken care of in the internment camps...children playing and everyone looking well fed and in no distress. That was very far from the truth, and the reason why the German people were fooled into believing him. We know what history tells us about the truth. Can people be deceived again?

When satan rules the world, nothing is as it appears on the surface. He is a deceiver....could you be a victim?
There is a “blindness” that he creates....but only the “unbelievers” can fall victim. (2 Corinthians 4:3-4)
So what is an “unbeliever” in God’s eyes John?

Like it or not, a “believer” must accept all that God’s word says because it is from our Creator, Jehovah.....it is his instruction manual for his worshippers. When Jesus said that we had to “love God with our whole heart, mind, soul and strength”...that leaves no room in our hearts to give support to God’s enemies.
James 4:4 tells us what it means to try and be “friends with the world” that is ruled by satan. If we support them in their bloodshed, we automatically have that blood on our own hands. (Isaiah1:15)

Much love to you sister forever and always.

I can only live in hope that Jehovah will give you a clear view of what you have chosen as your position on these things.....by our choices we show Jehovah if we have faith and rely on him...or whether we insult him by thinking that others can do what only his Kingdom can accomplish. We cannot please God if we have no faith in him and his Kingdom promises.....when God’s Kingdom “comes” it will mean that HIS will is “done on earth as it is in heaven”. (Matthew 6:9-10) Do you believe Jesus?

It is said that....“a man convinced against his will, is of the same opinion still”.....does that describe you? I can only pray that it does not....or that like the apostle Paul, that the ‘scales will fall from your eyes’ and you will see the truth before it is too late.

Much love....you know I always have your best interests at heart.....

 

[Davy]

The problem is to deem a nation Christian, every single individual would confess they believe in the Lord Jesus Christ.

That's not really the Biblical requirement that absolutely everyone... must be a believer. And God is Who determines the nations that are to have His Birthright blessings. Learn about His Birthright promises and blessings from Abraham all the way down to Joseph's two sons Ephraim and Manasseh. Ephraim's seed was to become "a multitude of nations", and his elder brother Manasseh also was to become "great", and Jacob his father said to let his name 'Israel' be named upon the two lads (Genesis 48). That means a multitude of Israelite nations. So where are they?

The founders of the United States saw God's Hand in its establishing and wanted to use symbols representing the time of Moses and the Red Sea parting for the Great Seal of The United States. And if one looks at what is contained in God's Birthright blessings, they will discover that it directly points to the western Christian nations.

So irregardless of reprobates, for even many young folks raised in a Church have quit going, but we cannot know if they really ever lost their Faith just because of that. And I like to look at many who come to the western nations are now in lands of opportunity with a chance to hear The Gospel they never had before. Turning off the TV, and quit watching all the devil's Hollywood movies, and participate in Christian functions instead, is a way to know that the western Christian nations are still alive and well, and the majority of its peoples still have Faith in The Father and His Son Jesus Christ. The unbelievers that control western media, and even that sit in high positions without Faith still make up a small portion of the whole population of Christian believers.

And once the "great tribulation" time starts, there will still be many Christians in that time. Many of them may be deceived, but yet they will still believe on Jesus, but only get mixed up about the false one working miracles that comes first in thinking he is Lord Jesus.

 

[JohnPaul]

That mind set is incomprehensible to me....as it would be to most outsiders who live under other democratic systems of government. We are seeing democracy failing like all other man made systems inevitably have...and do.

Only a genuine (as opposed to a counterfeit) Theocracy is rule by God, which will be coming to this earth very soon as God’s Kingdom, in the capable hands of Jesus Christ.....will be wiping out every form of man-made government...and those who blindly support them.


I have to ask again John....who are “they”? Jehovah? Jesus?
“God given”? Really?....God does not give us the right to kill anyone. When Jesus said to “do to others what you would have them do to you”...and to “love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you”.....do you really see any sanction in Jesus’ words to justify what you have been taught from childhood? What is “God-given” is our conscience.


Do you understand what propaganda is John? It’s what Hitler used to convince his supporters that he was the best one to govern their country. He had propaganda films made that portrayed his rulership as the most beneficial for the country...even presenting the treatment of the Jews as them being taken care of in the internment camps...children playing and everyone looking well fed and in no distress. That was very far from the truth, and the reason why the German people were fooled into believing him. We know what history tells us about the truth. Can people be deceived again?

When satan rules the world, nothing is as it appears on the surface. He is a deceiver....could you be a victim?
There is a “blindness” that he creates....but only the “unbelievers” can fall victim. (2 Corinthians 4:3-4)
So what is an “unbeliever” in God’s eyes John?

Like it or not, a “believer” must accept all that God’s word says because it is from our Creator, Jehovah.....it is his instruction manual for his worshippers. When Jesus said that we had to “love God with our whole heart, mind, soul and strength”...that leaves no room in our hearts to give support to God’s enemies.
James 4:4 tells us what it means to try and be “friends with the world” that is ruled by satan. If we support them in their bloodshed, we automatically have that blood on our own hands. (Isaiah1:15)


I can only live in hope that Jehovah will give you a clear view of what you have chosen as your position on these things.....by our choices we show Jehovah if we have faith and rely on him...or whether we insult him by thinking that others can do what only his Kingdom can accomplish. We cannot please God if we have no faith in him and his Kingdom promises.....when God’s Kingdom “comes” it will mean that HIS will is “done on earth as it is in heaven”. (Matthew 6:9-10) Do you believe Jesus?

It is said that....“a man convinced against his will, is of the same opinion still”.....does that describe you? I can only pray that it does not....or that like the apostle Paul, that the ‘scales will fall from your eyes’ and you will see the truth before it is too late.

Much love....you know I always have your best interests at heart.....

I know you always have my best interests at heart Aunty Jane and I yours, sister, but I believe that Jehovah would want the citizens of country do do their best in keeping that country in line with his laws, and that’s what the majority in this country want, but the left is in power and pushing filth on our youth and part of that filth is LGTBQ+, an abomination to God Jehovah.

The truth of the matter is we’ll never give up our right to bear arms, unless the government wants a war with its citizens.

In these times one must be tough and fight against all the evil going on today, Making America Great Again as President Donald J. Trump would say.

 

[Brakelite]

What a crock by someone who doesn't understand what's going on in their own country, much less in the U.S

How exactly does my post...

Accidentally or purposeful, it is highly significant that those two concepts of government, American republicanism and global tyranny should be lumped together in one space. It is worrying that Americans cannot see their own Christian ministers and pastors leading them into tyranny.

Bear any relation to guns or for that matter, my country (which I suspect you don't know what that is let alone know whether I am aware of what is or isn't going on there)? The fact that your knee jerk reaction didn't even question my statement but rather dismissed it out of hand, tells me my initial assessment was correct... American Christians for the most part have no idea that many of the leaders and pastors are leading them into tyranny.

Just for interests sake, here's a copy of a post I put up on Facebook 6 years ago today...

In Revelation 13 we read of two beasts (political powers), the first an historic entity inheriting pagan characteristics from its ancestral Babylonian/Persian/Greek/Roman genesis, such as church/state union, a penchant for global influence and power, both civil and religious, a proclivity for persecution against God's people, and blasphemy. This beast, as were its ancestors, is predatory, dictatorial, territorial, and jealous of its power and control demanding submission from all to its laws and decrees.
Not wanting to promote itself to world dominion, in an environment now not so suited to its former predatory practice, seeks to gain power by deceit, so this entity deceives another beast into doing its work for him. Notice how this second beast establishes the first beast's laws...14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
It is the people themselves who are brought to a place where they demand, (no doubt by popular vote) global power being offered to the first beast. This is fascinating. First, they must not be aware of who they are actually voting for. They do not make the connection between the historical narrative and the entity responsible for past persecutions and this modern entity who appears to them a different character. Despite that, this power must still be a church/state union of some sort, so for the people to vote unanimously for such an entity and not the usual secular powers of recent history, is a giant leap away from tradition. What could bring about such a scenario, where people willingly plead for a global union of church and state to take dominion over all the earth? And what union of church and state is there today who could possibly have the standing to take on such a role? And what entity having those characteristics is currently positioning itself to accept such an offer?
Are you ready for this? Do you really understand the history and the character of the candidates on offer? Americans have a choice to make soon between two candidates, possibly Hilary Clinton and Donald Trump. Much has been said about both of them, their respective pasts been dug up and stewed over and debated incessantly on all manner of forums and FB pages. If what we read is anything to go by, Americans should be running away from both of them in droves. Not really much of a choice is it? Yet the time is coming soon when the people of the world will deliberately vote for a criminal organization guilty up to its neck of innocent blood going back many centuries, to rule the world, presumably to usher in an era of 'peace and safety'! What terrible crisis could possibly induce the world to do this? What kind of sense of self-preservation would provide incentive for everyone to willingly submit to a religious tyranny that kills everyone who opposes her? The answer to that is found in the current campaigns being run in the US. Media lies...publicity campaigns designed to deceive...and a public willing to believe anything and anyone who offers them even the slightest hope of relief.
Now then is the time to discover what is truth. Before the crisis gets worse, before the media campaign hots up, before the deception gets fully established, before the truth is forever shut away from the public view.Now is the time to discern the true character of the candidate now running for global office, before such information is unavailable, or so twisted and obfuscated that reality becomes impossible to understand. And especially before your personal situation is such that a clear perception is confused or dulled by the conflicts and fears of others raging about you.
Malachi 3:18 Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not.
1 ¶ For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.
2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.
3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.
4 ¶ Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments.
5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:
6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.
The decision soon to be made will be similar to that made when Elijah stood upon Mt Carmel calling to the people...how long will you procrastinate between two opinions...if the Lord be God, then worship Him, but if Baal be God, then worship him.
The question is, will you recognize Baal when he is offered to you, or will you believe him to be the true Lord and choose him in error?

 

[Davy]

How exactly does my post...
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Why do you act like you didn't write the following in your post?

Brakelite:
Accidentally or purposeful, it is highly significant that those two concepts of government, American republicanism and global tyranny should be lumped together in one space. It is worrying that Americans cannot see their own Christian ministers and pastors leading them into tyranny.

I put that part you said in bold that is basically a 'crock' of baloney.

Soviet Goal no.15 that ex-FBI agent Cleon Skousen listed in 1958, and is part of the U.S. Congressional Record:

15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the U.S.

(See The 45 Communist Goals - Congressional Record 1963)

Anyone who understands what Communist-Socialism is about in the U.S. can easily understand that they have pretty much taken over the Democratic Party in the U.S. It is politically Far Left.

The Republican party the Communists are still trying... to take over, and it does have many fence-riders that often vote the way of Democrats. But still, the Republican Party has more Bible-following representatives in it and support of the U.S. Constitution and The Bible. However, only someone like Donald Trump is actually prepared to do the 'right thing' for the peoples of the United States of America, and that is why Leftist members in both Parties don't like Trump.

The problem is with the globalist's strategy from the German philosopher Hegel with his dialectic. The globalists, who push for a one-world government, want to always keep just a TWO PARTY system of government over the U.S. Long ago Hegel speculated that since the idea of opposites exist in many natural phenomena in nature, then there must be a way to apply that politically and socially also. Thus the Hegelian Dialectic.

Per Hegel, the idea is to get CONTROL of BOTH PARTIES. And have them fighting against each other so that they must always come to compromised agreements. If you control BOTH sides in an argument Hegel considered, then you can control the FINAL OUTCOME. Thus the vain two-party political system in the U.S., Republican vs. Democrat. We often see both sides hugging each other on the sidelines, because really most of them know they are just actors on a stage playing a part that the globalists gave them. Well, the globalists hate good leaders like Donald Trump, simply because he is aware of what the globalists are doing with trying to destroy the Christian nations. The media downplays everything Trump says, and that's part of the globalist's strategy against anyone who wants to make America great again and isolated from the false one-world government U.N. strategy.

Oh, and that brings up another one of the Soviet 1958 goals against the U.S.:

"11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces."

 

[Brakelite]

Why do you act like you didn't write the following in your post?



I put that part you said in bold that is basically a 'crock' of baloney.

Soviet Goal no.15 that ex-FBI agent Cleon Skousen listed in 1958, and is part of the U.S. Congressional Record:

15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the U.S.

(See The 45 Communist Goals - Congressional Record 1963)

Anyone who understands what Communist-Socialism is about in the U.S. can easily understand that they have pretty much taken over the Democratic Party in the U.S. It is politically Far Left.

The Republican party the Communists are still trying... to take over, and it does have many fence-riders that often vote the way of Democrats. But still, the Republican Party has more Bible-following representatives in it and support of the U.S. Constitution and The Bible. However, only someone like Donald Trump is actually prepared to do the 'right thing' for the peoples of the United States of America, and that is why Leftist members in both Parties don't like Trump.

The problem is with the globalist's strategy from the German philosopher Hegel with his dialectic. The globalists, who push for a one-world government, want to always keep just a TWO PARTY system of government over the U.S. Long ago Hegel speculated that since the idea of opposites exist in many natural phenomena in nature, then there must be a way to apply that politically and socially also. Thus the Hegelian Dialectic.

Per Hegel, the idea is to get CONTROL of BOTH PARTIES. And have them fighting against each other so that they must always come to compromised agreements. If you control BOTH sides in an argument Hegel considered, then you can control the FINAL OUTCOME. Thus the vain two-party political system in the U.S., Republican vs. Democrat. We often see both sides hugging each other on the sidelines, because really most of them know they are just actors on a stage playing a part that the globalists gave them. Well, the globalists hate good leaders like Donald Trump, simply because he is aware of what the globalists are doing with trying to destroy the Christian nations. The media downplays everything Trump says, and that's part of the globalist's strategy against anyone who wants to make America great again and isolated from the false one-world government U.N. strategy.

Oh, and that brings up another one of the Soviet 1958 goals against the U.S.:

"11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces."

Okay, now you're talking politics. Before you went on about guns, when my post said nothing about guns.
I understand the Hegelian dialectic and how it's being used to manipulate world politics. Have a thesis conflict with antithesis, then introduce synthesis as a cure for the conflict.
My concern for America is primarily for the Christian right... Evangelicalism. They see Trump as their nations savior. They ran with him based on Trump's promise to give the church political power, thus scrapping the constitution and the separation of church and state. A union of church and state will be a mirror image of the church of the dark ages in Europe, will introduce persecution against dissenters, and fulfill Revelation 13

 

[Davy]

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My concern for America is primarily for the Christian right... Evangelicalism. They see Trump as their nations savior. They ran with him based on Trump's promise to give the church political power, thus scrapping the constitution and the separation of church and state. A union of church and state will be a mirror image of the church of the dark ages in Europe, will introduce persecution against dissenters, and fulfill Revelation 13

I never heard Trump propose any such idea... for the Christian Church.

That's some idea you got from Leftist liars.

Trump is PRO U.S. Constitution, which by the way, says nothing about a 'church vs. state' position. Instead, the 1st Amendment of the U.S. Constitution says that government will make no law 'establishing' religion, nor prohibiting the free expression thereof. That's called the 'establishment clause' of the 1st Amendment. It prevents... the idea of church and state joining together (like a Theocracy), and at the same time protecting... free expression of religion in the U.S.

Thus it sounds like you've been listening to a bunch of Leftist-Communist radicals who don't even understand what the U.S. Constitution is about. And you actually believe Trump doesn't know what the 1st Amendment says? Yeah, right, pull my other leg and it plays Jingle-bells.