Amillennialism versus Dispensationalism

[GerhardEbersoehn]

 

[Daniel L.]

Matthew 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

Is there any stone left upon another from the buildings of the temple ?

 

[ScottA]

Matthew 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

Is there any stone left upon another from the buildings of the temple ?

"But He was speaking of the temple of His body." John 2:21

Good question!

 

[GISMYS_7]

Yes!! The Roman army destroyed the temple and left no stone upon another but the wall surrounding the temple was not.

 

[Daniel L.]

"But He was speaking of the temple of His body." John 2:21

So, according to you: the resurrected Jesus appeared before the cruxifiction of Jesus ? Which is the destruction of the temple of His body.

Yes!! The Roman army destroyed the temple and left no stone upon another

Then the great tribulation already happen, because the abomination of desolation had to stand in the holy place, before it was destroyed:

Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

 

[ScottA]

"But He was speaking of the temple of His body." John 2:21

Good question!

So, according to you: the resurrected Jesus appeared before the cruxifiction of Jesus ? Which is the destruction of the temple of His body.

No...not that body. That was a foreshadowing. We are His body.

This is what became of His body--and why we must eat of it.

He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him. John 6:56​

 

[Daniel L.]

"But He was speaking of the temple of His body." John 2:21

We are His body.

So tell us why are there survivors, when He said not one stone would be left upon another of the temple of His body, that turns out to be us?

Matthew 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

 

[GISMYS_7]

So, according to you: the resurrected Jesus appeared before the cruxifiction of Jesus ? Which is the destruction of the temple of His body.



Then the great tribulation already happen, because the abomination of desolation had to stand in the holy place, before it was destroyed:

Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

Israel is ready now to rebuild their temple and they will very soon!!!

 

[Daniel L.]

Israel is ready now to rebuild their temple and they will very soon!

The thing is Jesus said: "stand in the holy place" and not "stand in the holy place that shall be rebuild 2 millenia after this one is destroyed" And so everyone that heard Him, understook Him to be refering to the Holy Place at the temple in Jerusalem at that time, and because Jesus is the perfect comunicator, there is no way He didnt perfectly communicate to his disciples.

 

[GISMYS_7]

The thing is Jesus said: "stand in the holy place" and not "stand in the holy place that shall be rebuild 2 millenia after this one is destroyed" And so everyone that heard Him, understook Him to be refering to the Holy Place at the temple in Jerusalem at that time, and because Jesus is the perfect comunicator, there is no way He didnt perfectly communicate to his disciples.

Read slowly==Israel is ready now to ""rebuild their temple"" that Rome destroyed.

Future event==2Thessalonians 2:4 Anti-Christ===Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

 

[Daniel L.]

Matthew 24:1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.

Jesus was talking about the temple of His time. Israel rebuilding theyr temple is not Scripture. It is just your opinion.

 

[GISMYS_7]

Matthew 24:1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.

Jesus was talking about the temple of His time. Israel rebuilding theyr temple is not Scripture. It is just your opinion.

Yes Rome destroyed the temple that Jesus was walking in===Read slowly==Israel is ready now to ""rebuild their temple"" that Rome destroyed.

Future event==2Thessalonians 2:4 Anti-Christ===Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

 

[Daniel L.]

Israel is ready now to ""rebuild their temple""

There is nothing in Scripture that says the temple will be rebuild. Only that it will be destroyed. So the witness of the Word is greater than your own. There was only one temple at theyr time, and it was destroyed.

 

[GISMYS_7]

There is nothing in Scripture that says the temple will be rebuild. Only that it will be destroyed. So the witness of the Word is greater than your own. There was only one temple at theyr time, and it was destroyed.

Think!! There must be a temple that anti-Christ will sit in and declare that he is God.

Future event==2Thessalonians 2:4 Anti-Christ===Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God ""sitteth in"" the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

 

[Daniel L.]

There must be a temple that anti-Christ will sit in and declare that he is God.

Yes, and there was: the temple that Christ walked on, the temple of His time, which He said would be utterly removed, and was.

Future event==2Thessalonians 2:4

Yes, Paul wrote it before the destruction of the temple, and is refering to the future -> when the abomination of desolation will stand in that same temple, which it had to be before the destruction of the temple.
There is no Scripture that suggests the temple would be rebuild. And all prophecy in Matthew 24 is related to the the temple that Jesus walked on:

Matthew 24:1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

 

[GISMYS_7]

Yes, and there was: the temple that Christ walked on, the temple of His time, which He said would be utterly removed, and was.



Yes, Paul wrote it before the destruction of the temple, and is refering to the future -> when the abomination of desolation will stand in that same temple, which it had to be before the destruction of the temple.
There is no Scripture that suggests the temple would be rebuild. And all prophecy in Matthew 24 is related to the the temple that Jesus walked on:

Matthew 24:1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

Jesus says==“When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the (temple)holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: … For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.” – Matt. 24:15 – 21.

Now I want to point out that this Antichrist cannot commit the abomination of desolation until the Temple exists again. CC

 

[Daniel L.]

Now I want to point out that this Antichrist cannot commit the abomination of desolation until the Temple exists again.

Well, are you saying Jesus misled his disciples when he told them about the temple? Because is of that same temple that He talks about when He says: "stand in the Holy Place". Since there was no other temple, all His disciples understood Him to be refering to the temple they could see, from the mount of Olives. And there is no Scripture that indicates of any other or future temple. Just your saying.

 

[ScottA]

So tell us why are there survivors, when He said not one stone would be left upon another of the temple of His body, that turns out to be us?

Matthew 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

"Not one stone shall be left here upon another, that shall not be thrown down" simply means that all strongholds of men and of this world will fail to hold up by their own strength--as we all were broken from the start, since Adam.

As for the shortening of days, such is the mercy of God, that we should suffer only for a time.

 

[GISMYS_7]

"Not one stone shall be left here upon another, that shall not be thrown down" simply means that all strongholds of men and of this world will fail to hold up by their own strength--as we all were broken from the start, since Adam.

As for the shortening of days, such is the mercy of God, that we should suffer only for a time.

LOL!!! Go to Israel to the old temple mount and in many places, you will still see the temple stones thar were thrown down as rubble around the wall that surrounded the old temple.

 

[ScottA]

LOL!!! Go to Israel to the old temple mount and in many places, you will still see the temple stones thar were thrown down as rubble around the wall that surrounded the old temple.

Laughing?

I will say again:

"But He was speaking of the temple of His body." John 2:21​