Are all Christian faiths the same?

[Brakelite]

Any denomination or sect that denies the five fundamentals of the faith is not Christian though they may have many Christian doctrines. These are the five fundamentals:

FIVE FUNDAMENTALS OF THE FAITH​ There are five fundamentals of the faith which are essential for Christianity, and upon which we agree: 1. The Deity of our Lord Jesus Christ (John 1:1; John 20:28; Hebrews 1:8-9). 2. The Virgin Birth (Isaiah 7:14; Matthew 1:23; Luke 1:27). 3. The Blood Atonement (Acts 20:28; Romans 3:25, 5:9; Ephesians 1:7; Hebrews 9:12-14). 4. The Bodily Resurrection (Luke 24:36-46; 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, 15:14-15). 5. The inerrancy of the scriptures themselves (Psalms 12:6-7; Romans 15:4; 2 Timothy 3:16-17; 2 Peter 1:20). [1] I cannot say definitively but those who believe you can lose your salvation for the most part deny #3 That puts them on unsure ground soteriologically.

So you, or the church, gets to inform God whether such and such is saved according to your 5 fundamentals? So those 5 requirements for salvation comprise your creed? I always nervous when someone or some institution offers salvation on conditions they stipulate.

 

[faithhopecharity]

Any denomination or sect that denies the five fundamentals of the faith is not Christian though they may have many Christian doctrines. These are the five fundamentals:

FIVE FUNDAMENTALS OF THE FAITH​ There are five fundamentals of the faith which are essential for Christianity, and upon which we agree: 1. The Deity of our Lord Jesus Christ (John 1:1; John 20:28; Hebrews 1:8-9). 2. The Virgin Birth (Isaiah 7:14; Matthew 1:23; Luke 1:27). 3. The Blood Atonement (Acts 20:28; Romans 3:25, 5:9; Ephesians 1:7; Hebrews 9:12-14). 4. The Bodily Resurrection (Luke 24:36-46; 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, 15:14-15). 5. The inerrancy of the scriptures themselves (Psalms 12:6-7; Romans 15:4; 2 Timothy 3:16-17; 2 Peter 1:20). [1] I cannot say definitively but those who believe you can lose your salvation for the most part deny #3 That puts them on unsure ground soteriologically.

do we have eternal salvation or grace?

substitution or union?

thks

 

[faithhopecharity]

same faith?

not if you think that after your quote "saved" you can rob banks, murder the gaurds, spend the cash on drunken revelry with whores and still be saved, die without repentance or confession and go directly to heaven?


1 pet 2:24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

Lk 1:75 In holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life.

Acts 10:35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

gal 2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.
(The deeds of righteousness)

Romans 2:7
To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

(((Unity of faith)))

Ephesians 4:13
Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect uman, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

thks

 

[Ronald Nolette]

So, by their reckoning, Mormons and Modalists are still Christians, despite polytheism and Modalism being heresies. That is a problem.

I can't answer specifically. I know of saved Mormons and saved modalists. they are steeped in serious doctrinal errors but ONce again teh formula for being saved i confess that Jesus is Lord (that is not merely blurting out a statement) and believe in your heart that Jesus physically rose from the dead. After that I leave the rest to god. As sects of Christendom (external Christianity) they are unsaved by doctrinal beliefs.

Both believe the blood of Jesus is not enough to erase ALL sins.

And yet a Christian, someone who is truly saved, cannot deny any of the things I presented, along with many more. From Rom. 10:9 alone, "confess" and "believe" imply the necessity of faith. Confessing "Jesus is Lord" implies salvation through Christ alone. Implied in "God," is that there is only one God. Monotheism and salvation by faith through Christ alone are absolutely fundamental.

Christians down through the centuries have held to many doctrines both a stretch of Scripture and just plain wierd. God knows their hearts. If they are externally striving to live godly loives and believe and trust solely in Rom. 10:9 we should accept them as brethren even if we disagree in the non fundamentals.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

do we have eternal salvation or grace?

substitution or union?

thks

Yes to all of them.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

That list knocks JWs out totally-- BUT IF THEY WERE ON HERE now they would say they agree to those. deception is just that- deception..

1. Deity of Christ- JW- we believe he is deity and divine.. what they mean--- a god- = created archangel)
2. Virgin Birth- JW --Of course- we believe that! what they mean--- -----Michael's life force was put into Mary's ovum
3.Blood atonement- JW--Of course we know Jesus died for our sins-- what they mean --your physical death causes you to become sinless.
4. Bodily Resurrection-- JW-We believe Jesus ROSE.-- what they mean-- Michael's life force went back to haven so God could recreate Michael. Jesus' the man is dead forever body is gone forever.
5. Inerrancy of Scripture- JW Yes we believe that- what they mean----- because we fixed the bible.

Agreed. they are very religious and hold many truths. But denying the physical resurrection of jesus and His blood paid for all sins- sends them to the Lake of Fire.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

what do we do with these?

mk 16:16 he who believes and is baptized shall be saved

Mt 10:22 he who endures to the end shall be saved

rev 2:10 overcome to receive the crown

thks

Keeping these verses in their proper context shows they do not have to do with salvation, but deliverance from horrendous situations.

Also when one believes they are baptized-into the Spirit.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

So you, or the church, gets to inform God whether such and such is saved according to your 5 fundamentals? So those 5 requirements for salvation comprise your creed? I always nervous when someone or some institution offers salvation on conditions they stipulate.

No, these were declared by devout men of God who studied the Scriptures.

These are biblical conditions. Example a JW can get saved by trusting in the death and physical resurrection of Jesus. They may still deny the trinity and Jesus physical return but they will in time because the Spirit will reveal it to them

People get saved not as biblical scholars and can carry much false doctrine because of their upbrining, but if they are saved they will conform to those five fundamentals. Once again these are biblical mandates and not some contrived thing by any denomination bur comprised by many denominations in meeting over a century ago. If saved they will remain in the body, but if it was just lip service they will eventually leave or be shown so by Jesus in the final resurrection of the lost.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

1. No Religion (NR)—around 29 percent of U.S. adults are religiously unaffiliated.
2. Christian—Evangelical (EV)—almost 25 percent of U.S. adults are Evangelical Protestant.
3. Christian—Catholic (CA)—around 20 percent of Americans are Catholic.
4. Christian—Non-Denominational (ND)—around 6 percent of Americans worship in a non-denominational church, according to the Hartford Institute for Religion Research.
5. Christian—Methodist (ME)—approximately 3 percent of Americans are Methodist.
6. Christian—Pentecostal (PE)—around 3 percent of Americans are Pentecostalists.
7. Judaism (Jewish) (JU)—about 2 percent of Americans are Jewish.
8. Christian—Lutheran (LU)—approximately 1 percent of Americans are Lutherans.
9. Islam (Muslim) (IS)—around 1 percent of Americans are Muslim.
10. Christian—Baptist (BA)—approximately 1 percent of Americans are Baptist.
11. Christian—Presbyterian (PR)—about 1 percent of Americans identify as members of the Presbyterian Church.
12. Christian—Episcopal/Anglican (EA)—around 1 percent of Americans identify as members of the Episcopal Church.
13. Christian—Church of Christ (CC)—approximately 1 percent of Americans identify as members of the Church of Christ.
14. Christian—Church of God (CG)—around 1 percent of Americans identify as members of the Church of God.
15. Christian—Orthodox (OX)—around 1 percent of Americans are Orthodox Christians.
16. Hindu (HI)—about 1 percent of Americans are Hindu.
17. Buddhism (BU)—approximately 1 percent of Americans are Buddhist.
18. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (CJ)—around 1 percent of Americans affiliate with this church.
19. Christian—Assemblies of God (AG)—around 1 percent of Americans identify as members of the Assemblies of God.
20. Christian—Church of the Nazarene (CN)—around 0.6 percent Americans are part of the Church of the Nazarene, according to the church's website.
21. Christian—Seventh Day Adventist (SA)—approximately 0.5 percent of Americans identify as Seventh-Day Adventists.
22. Agnostic (AN)—around 0.5 percent of Americans identify as agnostics.
23. Christian—Jehovah’s Witnesses (JW)—less than 1 percent of Americans identify as Jehovah's Witnesses.
24. Baha’i Faith (BH)—more than 0.05 percent Americans are members of the Baha’i Faith, according to bahaipedia.org.
25. Christian—Reformed (RE)—over 0.03 percent of Americans are part of the Christian Reformed Church, according to the Christian Reformed Church.
26. Christian—Brethren (BR)—slightly more than 0.03 percent of Americans are part of the Church of the Brethren, according to brethren.com.
27. Christian—Quaker (QU)—over 0.03 percent of Americans identify as Quakers, according to Encyclopaedia Britannica.
28. Sikh (SI)—around 0.02 percent of Americans are Sikhs.
29. Christian—Scientist (SC) No data.
30. Christian—Other (CO) No data.
31. Other Religions (OR) No data.

And many of those denominations that are called Christian have paper staements that are right on, but have gone apostate as churchs.

 

[Ziggy]

And many of those denominations that are called Christian have paper staements that are right on, but have gone apostate as churchs.

I know. The subject was surrounding the Pentagon removing some of the so-called "Christian Faith Religions" from the roster of hiring Specific "Chaplains" for each individual group. I looked into why? and I found that each "Chaplain" for each Group, no matter where they are scattered around the globe, cost the American taxpayers, $190k a year plus housing, meals, travel, and whatever else they added as part of their "job description" per chaplain.

And right now we been doing a little housekeeping trying to reduce some expenditures that might be used a better way.
There originally was over 200 different categories of "Christan Faith Religions" so each category would get a piece of the pie.
The Pentagon decided to consolidate those 200+ down to 31.
That didn't set too well with a lot of umm denominations.
And that's what I was trying to bring attention to.

Not so much what their faith was based in, but should they even be considered "Christian Faith Religion"
Because that is how they listed themselves to be able to have "Chaplains" .
That included, Buddhism, Wicca, ..
There is a list on the first page of this thread I think of the 31.
I dropped a link that had all 200+ somewhere.

So that was the purpose of this thread.
But if you all choose to carry on in whatever capacity regarding Faith and denominations,
The thread is open, carry on.


Hugs

 

[Justified]

I can't answer specifically. I know of saved Mormons and saved modalists. they are steeped in serious doctrinal errors but ONce again teh formula for being saved i confess that Jesus is Lord (that is not merely blurting out a statement) and believe in your heart that Jesus physically rose from the dead. After that I leave the rest to god. As sects of Christendom (external Christianity) they are unsaved by doctrinal beliefs.

By definition, they cannot be saved. Salvation rests not only on Jesus’s work but on who he is. Mormons and modalists believe in a Jesus and God who are not the Jesus and God of the Bible. Being a Mormon and being saved are mutually exclusive.

Both believe the blood of Jesus is not enough to erase ALL sins.

Another reason they cannot be saved.

Christians down through the centuries have held to many doctrines both a stretch of Scripture and just plain wierd. God knows their hearts. If they are externally striving to live godly loives and believe and trust solely in Rom. 10:9 we should accept them as brethren even if we disagree in the non fundamentals.

The problem is, the things I have listed are not "non fundamentals;" they are fundamentals. That is why that list is seriously deficient and misleading.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I know. The subject was surrounding the Pentagon removing some of the so-called "Christian Faith Religions" from the roster of hiring Specific "Chaplains" for each individual group. I looked into why? and I found that each "Chaplain" for each Group, no matter where they are scattered around the globe, cost the American taxpayers, $190k a year plus housing, meals, travel, and whatever else they added as part of their "job description" per chaplain.

And right now we been doing a little housekeeping trying to reduce some expenditures that might be used a better way.
There originally was over 200 different categories of "Christan Faith Religions" so each category would get a piece of the pie.
The Pentagon decided to consolidate those 200+ down to 31.
That didn't set too well with a lot of umm denominations.
And that's what I was trying to bring attention to.

Not so much what their faith was based in, but should they even be considered "Christian Faith Religion"
Because that is how they listed themselves to be able to have "Chaplains" .
That included, Buddhism, Wicca, ..
There is a list on the first page of this thread I think of the 31.
I dropped a link that had all 200+ somewhere.

So that was the purpose of this thread.
But if you all choose to carry on in whatever capacity regarding Faith and denominations,
The thread is open, carry on.


Hugs

wELL i AM ONE WHO DOESN'T THINK THERE IS A NEED FOR EVERY "MAJOR" DENOMINATION. 200 AT OVER 190k A YEAR IS CRAZY!

We should have a catholic and bible believing chaplain per base and that should take care of it. They should set a minimum number of people per base to determine if it would warrant a specific chaplain for their religion. that is a fair way and does not disclude anyone specifically, just numerically. so if their are a bunch of Buddhists on one base, in order to keep the current interpretation of the first amendment, they could have a buddhist priest.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

By definition, they cannot be saved. Salvation rests not only on Jesus’s work but on who he is. Mormons and modalists believe in a Jesus and God who are not the Jesus and God of the Bible. Being a Mormon and being saved are mutually exclusive.


Another reason they cannot be saved.


The problem is, the things I have listed are not "non fundamentals;" they are fundamentals. That is why that list is seriously deficient and misleading.

Well just rmember this:

Teh biblical formula for salvation is to confess with your mouth Jesus is Lord (divine) and believe in your heart that God the Father physically raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. A devout Mormon who gets saved will enter the body of Christ wilth a lot of false beliefs, if their confession was ture, they will change and learn correct doctrine. One does not need to have a theology decree before they get saved.

 

[Ziggy]

wELL i AM ONE WHO DOESN'T THINK THERE IS A NEED FOR EVERY "MAJOR" DENOMINATION. 200 AT OVER 190k A YEAR IS CRAZY!

We should have a catholic and bible believing chaplain per base and that should take care of it. They should set a minimum number of people per base to determine if it would warrant a specific chaplain for their religion. that is a fair way and does not disclude anyone specifically, just numerically. so if their are a bunch of Buddhists on one base, in order to keep the current interpretation of the first amendment, they could have a buddhist priest.

It is a Scam Brother,
Just lie all the other scams to milk the taxpayer for every cent they have.
A lot of these um "Chaplains" were either DEI or LGBTQ hires.
And I don't really care about that, I care about American Citizens getting frauded over and over and over and over.
Hugs

 

[Justified]

Well just rmember this:

Teh biblical formula for salvation is to confess with your mouth Jesus is Lord (divine) and believe in your heart that God the Father physically raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. A devout Mormon who gets saved will enter the body of Christ wilth a lot of false beliefs, if their confession was ture, they will change and learn correct doctrine.

"A devout Mormon who gets saved" is no longer a Mormon, they're a follower of Christ. Your previous statement was, "I know of saved Mormons and saved modalists." But that's a different claim then the one you are now making.

One does not need to have a theology decree before they get saved.

Of course. Nothing I have said would even imply that they must have a theology degree first.

 

[faithhopecharity]

Yes to all of them.

we have the grace of justification (eternal life) not eternal salvation!

thks

same term has different meaning!

"eternal life"

((eternal life refers to grace))

Jn 1:16
And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.

Jn 10:10
The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

Jn 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

1 Jn 2:25
And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.

1 Jn 5:13
These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

1 Jn 5:20
And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.


((eternal life refers to eternal salvation))

mt 7:14
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

mk 10:30
But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.


((promise of eternal salvation))

mk 13:13
He who endures to the end shall be saved.

mt 10:22
He who endures to the end shall be saved.

mt 24:13
He who endures to the end shall be saved.

titus 1:2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

James 1:12
Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.

Titus 1:2
In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

1 Jn 2:25
And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.

rev 2:10
Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.


((union))

Ps 23:4 Thou art with me...
Isa 53:3 by His stripes (wounds) we are healed.
Jn 1:16 life of grace
Jn 10:10 life of grace
Jn 14:6 life of grace
Jn 15:1-5 abide in me...

1 Jn 1:6-7

6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

1 Jn 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.


((refers to a state of grace))

Jn 15:1-5 abide in Christ
1 cor 13:2 grace
1 cor 15:1
2 cor 9:14


((grace))

grace is life of God that Christ shares with us!

2 pet 1:2-4

2 Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,

3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:

4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

1 John 4:8
He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

1 cor 13:1-2

1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.

Hebrews 12:29
For our God is a consuming fire.

rom 5:5
And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

1 John 5:11
And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

Grace is Christ sharing His divine life with us!


((Abundance of grace))

Jn 10:10
rom 5:17
rom 1:7
1 cor 1:3
2 cor 1:2
gal 1:3
eph 1:2
phil 1:2
col 1:2
1 thes 1:1
2 thes 1:2
1 tim 1:2
1 tim 1:14
2 tim 1:2
titus 1:1
philemon 1:3
1 pet 1:2
2 pet 1:2
2 Jn 3


((grace bears fruit))
Lk 3:9
Jn 15:1-5
col 1:6


((Grow in grace))

2 pet 3:18 we must grow in grace

((can lose grace))

Eph 5:2-6
gal 5:1-4
gal 5:19-21
gal 6:7-8
1 cor 6:9-10 & 15-20
2 cor 4:7
1 tim 5:12
rev 21:8
rev 21:27
rom 8:1
1 cor 15:10 can have grace in vain
2 cor 4:7 treasure (grace) in earthen vessels


((grace questions))

can we have eternal salvation and eternal salvation more abundantly?

Jn 10:10

Can we have eternal salvation that leads to eternal salvation?

Mt 7:14

Why are we promised eternal salvation if we possess eternal salvation?

Mk 10:30

Why have hope of eternal salvation if we possess eternal salvation?

titus 1:2

 

[Ronald Nolette]

It is a Scam Brother,
Just lie all the other scams to milk the taxpayer for every cent they have.
A lot of these um "Chaplains" were either DEI or LGBTQ hires.
And I don't really care about that, I care about American Citizens getting frauded over and over and over and over.
Hugs

Probably. But the fed is a massive swamp and is so extremely hard to drain any part of it. Doesn't mean we shouldn't try like Trump and Musk did.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

"A devout Mormon who gets saved" is no longer a Mormon, they're a follower of Christ. Your previous statement was, "I know of saved Mormons and saved modalists." But that's a different claim then the one you are now making.


Of course. Nothing I have said would even imply that they must have a theology degree first.

Just remember that when one who is in a cultic type religion gets saved, they are going to bring into their new life in Jesus tons of theological baggage. We who have been around for awhile and are responsible should lovingly and tenderly help them unpack all that garbage.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

we have the grace of justification (eternal life) not eternal salvation!

thks

same term has different meaning!

"eternal life"

((eternal life refers to grace))

Jn 1:16
And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.

Jn 10:10
The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

Jn 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

1 Jn 2:25
And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.

1 Jn 5:13
These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

1 Jn 5:20
And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.


((eternal life refers to eternal salvation))

mt 7:14
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

mk 10:30
But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.


((promise of eternal salvation))

mk 13:13
He who endures to the end shall be saved.

mt 10:22
He who endures to the end shall be saved.

mt 24:13
He who endures to the end shall be saved.

titus 1:2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

James 1:12
Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.

Titus 1:2
In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

1 Jn 2:25
And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.

rev 2:10
Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.


((union))

Ps 23:4 Thou art with me...
Isa 53:3 by His stripes (wounds) we are healed.
Jn 1:16 life of grace
Jn 10:10 life of grace
Jn 14:6 life of grace
Jn 15:1-5 abide in me...

1 Jn 1:6-7

6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

1 Jn 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.


((refers to a state of grace))

Jn 15:1-5 abide in Christ
1 cor 13:2 grace
1 cor 15:1
2 cor 9:14


((grace))

grace is life of God that Christ shares with us!

2 pet 1:2-4

2 Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,

3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:

4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

1 John 4:8
He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

1 cor 13:1-2

1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.

Hebrews 12:29
For our God is a consuming fire.

rom 5:5
And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

1 John 5:11
And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

Grace is Christ sharing His divine life with us!


((Abundance of grace))

Jn 10:10
rom 5:17
rom 1:7
1 cor 1:3
2 cor 1:2
gal 1:3
eph 1:2
phil 1:2
col 1:2
1 thes 1:1
2 thes 1:2
1 tim 1:2
1 tim 1:14
2 tim 1:2
titus 1:1
philemon 1:3
1 pet 1:2
2 pet 1:2
2 Jn 3


((grace bears fruit))
Lk 3:9
Jn 15:1-5
col 1:6


((Grow in grace))

2 pet 3:18 we must grow in grace

((can lose grace))

Eph 5:2-6
gal 5:1-4
gal 5:19-21
gal 6:7-8
1 cor 6:9-10 & 15-20
2 cor 4:7
1 tim 5:12
rev 21:8
rev 21:27
rom 8:1
1 cor 15:10 can have grace in vain
2 cor 4:7 treasure (grace) in earthen vessels


((grace questions))

can we have eternal salvation and eternal salvation more abundantly?

Jn 10:10

Can we have eternal salvation that leads to eternal salvation?

Mt 7:14

Why are we promised eternal salvation if we possess eternal salvation?

Mk 10:30

Why have hope of eternal salvation if we possess eternal salvation?

titus 1:2

You did an enormous amount of work here and did a great job exploring Scripture. However when one gets saved they are saved forever. All of our sins become paid for- even the future sins we have yet to commit. to say that one can lose their salvation is to say that the blood of Jesus did not pay for all of your sins.

 

[amigo de christo]

The woman riding the beast is a metaphor for the church controlling the state. Babylon the Great is being formed in the US now, and will absolutely have a list of those who meet with the approval of the church... orthodox according to the church... and will use the state to bring all under the church's authority. They won't all need to agree on doctrine, Babylon doesn't give a hoot about doctrine, so long as her own principles are adhered to and her authority remains unquestioned. Revelation 13 is clear as to the intents and goals of the present unholy alliance forming in Washington under the guiding hand of that heretic woman at Trumps right hand.

lets be sure and say under the ALL INCLUISIVE HARLOT CHURCH .
OH yes . for on that day and in that hour
what was once called hate speech will now be deemned As TIME TO ROUND THEM UP .
OH its comin g braklite . ITS coming all right .
WE are about to witness the enforcement of this god of inclusivity
as it hands all POWER unto its beast and by THIS DIGITAL system that was prepared for this beast
THIS GLOBAL BEAST , IT WILL PERESECUTE AND REMOVE ALL WHO DO NOT CONFORM
ot the image of its inclusive god .
AND anything deemed as offensive , and anything deemed as hate , as divisise , as non inclusive ,
as mis or dis info , WILL BE PERSECUTED .
AND ITS ABOUT t obe ENFORCED . i been watching them my friend .
AND i have seen what this inclusive god has done to much of christnedom over these last years .
IT has convinced them it is GOD and LOVE and has a plan for how to at tain world peace n safety .
SOON that PLAN WILL BE ENFORCED by a powerful AI LED , image speaking , no buy no sell system ,
and the sheep will be hunted to the ends of the earth .