@Aunty Jane - A thread to discuss, with you specifically, a few things, if you will indulge a little time with me. Thank you.
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Yes, I have read much of what sister White has written. If you need a more specific list, that might be more difficult to do, but I can say I have read the Conflict series (Patriarchs & Prophets, Prophets & Kings, Desire of Ages, Acts of the Apostles, Great Controversy), and others like Steps To Christ, Ministry of Healing, Early Writings, and various compilations (Heaven, Last Day Events, Marantha, Prayer, Evangelism, etc) and portions of the Testimonies to the Churches, and other things like it.
Sure, no worries. I am not ashamed of what I believe and practice, and so will let anyone know if they want to know, and are as polite as yourself.
Well, I hold to the Bible's (KJB) teaching. What sister White taught, is simply in harmony with it, as she was a messenger of the LORD, and I have tested her on that, thoroughly, but I do not expect others, who are not Seventh-day Adventist to merely take me at my word on that.
I do not, presently, expect you to.
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“I Was In A Cult” - We Spoke To 2 People Who Have Left a Cult-Like Organisation - Zoella
In modern parlance, the term ‘cult’ has become synonymous with trending beauty brands and loyal fandom communities but we’re not talking about Glossier cleansers and wholesome Swifties here. Generally speaking, a ‘cult’ is a social group defined by its great devotion and shared commitment to an...
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I just happen to read this, would you agree, or disagree?
Johann
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“I Was In A Cult” - We Spoke To 2 People Who Have Left a Cult-Like Organisation - Zoella
In modern parlance, the term ‘cult’ has become synonymous with trending beauty brands and loyal fandom communities but we’re not talking about Glossier cleansers and wholesome Swifties here. Generally speaking, a ‘cult’ is a social group defined by its great devotion and shared commitment to an...
I just happen to read this, would you agree, or disagree?
What is Seventh-day Adventism (SDA), and what do Seventh-day Adventists believe? | GotQuestions.org
What is Seventh-day Adventism (SDA), and what do Seventh-day Adventists believe? What are the disagreements between Seventh Day Adventists and other Christians?
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...says here...
Other problematic doctrines in Seventh-day Adventism include the teaching that Satan is the “scapegoat” and will bear believers’ sins (The Great Controversy, p. 422, 485)—this is the opposite of what the Bible says about who bore our sins (1 Peter 2:24). Seventh-day Adventism also identifies Jesus as Michael the archangel (Jude 1:9, Clear Word Bible, published by Review and Herald Publishing Association, 1994)—a doctrine that denies the true nature of Christ—and teaches that Jesus entered a second phase of His redemptive work on October 22, 1844, as prophesied by Hiram Edson. And, of course, the Adventist promotion of Sabbath-keeping as a primary doctrine goes against the teaching of Scripture on the matter (see Romans 14:5).
Seventh-Day Adventism is a diverse movement, and not all SDA groups hold to all the doctrines mentioned above. But all Seventh-Day Adventists should seriously consider the following: a recognized prophetess in their church was a teacher of aberrant doctrine, and their church has its roots in the failed prophecies of William Miller.
So, should a Christian attend a Seventh-day Adventist church? Due to the penchant of Adventists to accept extra-biblical revelation and the doctrinal issues mentioned above, we would strongly encourage believers to not get involved in Seventh-day Adventism. Yes, a person can be an advocate of Seventh-day Adventism and still be a believer. At the same time, there are enough potential risks to warn us against joining a Seventh-day Adventist church.
I am not trying to expose anything, or you, just want to know the truth and the veracity of these two links.
Shalom
J.
Johann
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“I Was In A Cult” - We Spoke To 2 People Who Have Left a Cult-Like Organisation - Zoella
In modern parlance, the term ‘cult’ has become synonymous with trending beauty brands and loyal fandom communities but we’re not talking about Glossier cleansers and wholesome Swifties here. Generally speaking, a ‘cult’ is a social group defined by its great devotion and shared commitment to an...
I just happen to read this, would you agree, or disagree?
What is Seventh-day Adventism (SDA), and what do Seventh-day Adventists believe? | GotQuestions.org
What is Seventh-day Adventism (SDA), and what do Seventh-day Adventists believe? What are the disagreements between Seventh Day Adventists and other Christians?
www.gotquestions.org
...says here...
Other problematic doctrines in Seventh-day Adventism include the teaching that Satan is the “scapegoat” and will bear believers’ sins (The Great Controversy, p. 422, 485)—this is the opposite of what the Bible says about who bore our sins (1 Peter 2:24). Seventh-day Adventism also identifies Jesus as Michael the archangel (Jude 1:9, Clear Word Bible, published by Review and Herald Publishing Association, 1994)—a doctrine that denies the true nature of Christ—and teaches that Jesus entered a second phase of His redemptive work on October 22, 1844, as prophesied by Hiram Edson. And, of course, the Adventist promotion of Sabbath-keeping as a primary doctrine goes against the teaching of Scripture on the matter (see Romans 14:5).
Seventh-Day Adventism is a diverse movement, and not all SDA groups hold to all the doctrines mentioned above. But all Seventh-Day Adventists should seriously consider the following: a recognized prophetess in their church was a teacher of aberrant doctrine, and their church has its roots in the failed prophecies of William Miller.
So, should a Christian attend a Seventh-day Adventist church? Due to the penchant of Adventists to accept extra-biblical revelation and the doctrinal issues mentioned above, we would strongly encourage believers to not get involved in Seventh-day Adventism. Yes, a person can be an advocate of Seventh-day Adventism and still be a believer. At the same time, there are enough potential risks to warn us against joining a Seventh-day Adventist church.
I am not trying to expose anything, or you, just want to know the truth and the veracity of these two links.
Shalom
J.
RLT63
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Aunty Jane said “God will not correct those who want to believe the lies.....He will allow them to believe whatever they like, right down to the end, and then they will be shocked that the "Christianity" they practiced was not the real thing.” ////// Sounds like you are describing yourself
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There are several minor and major issues with the article. The definition of 'cult' is rather vague, and Christianity, in the days of Paul would fit the defintion. Even Paul was called a 'ringleader of the sect of Nazarenes' (Acts 24:5), by what was classed as 'orthodoxy'.
Another, is right at the outset, where it says, "I was born into the Seventh-Day Adventist Church ..."
No one is physically born into the Seventh-day Adventist church. One can only be born again into it. What they meant to say was that they were born into a family that claimed to practice the faith of the Seventh-day Adventist movement.
As it continues, it says, " ... and before I was born there are at least 4 generations of followers." Maybe so, but that says nothing for the person who is speaking and their relationship with Jesus. There were plenty of 'generational' Jews who didn't accept the message of Jesus.
It furthermore says, "... I was educated in the Adventist school system. ...", to which I say, I am sorry for that, as the 'educational' system is rather compromised, as foretold by scripture/prophecy and sister White. However, a lot of the things mentioned by this person (if such a person ever actually existed, for the only thing we are given, is that their name is "Emily"), are simply standard practices for Christians, who all teach against sexual sins (masturbation), teach against dishonouring parents, elders, teachers (as in the LORD, obviously), teach against Hollywood, and it's deceptions (ie Harry Potter, etc), teach modesty in dress, for men and women, boys and girls. This goes for the biblical teaching against piercing (poking holes in the body Temple) which is forbidden of God in scripture, and as for makeup, there are several things there which would take too long to discuss in this single reply. Anyway, to sum it up, both the Sanctuary (Psalms 77:13) and Jesus himself, are the example in dress for all, and there are several things in the OT and NT (like from Paul, etc) which may be considered also.
It sounds like a lot of their problems were themselves, and/or local and custom to their area (hispanic), not actually regulatory to Seventh-day Adventist faith and practice. I cannot fault them for their dress-code, which is part of biblical dress reform (I have a whole study on it, from scripture).
As for cleaning a church, it is usually set up in a rotation, by the various faithful families that attend. As for instance, I, who am a male, also clean the church, not because I have to, or that I am ever on a list, but I choose to, because I love God, His place of worship, and desire a clean place. That this person makes it a complaint is rather bizarre in my opinion.
As for church leadership, I am not sure what this person refers to in the article. If Pastoral, Elder, Deacon, that is reserved for males/men as according to scripture, from Genesis to Revelation, without exception. Yet, it says nothing about women who preach, teach, pray, lead out in various things, or are prophetess. In my own experience, we had an evangelistic series, that was entirely led by the women's ministry, guided by the Elders of the church. The treasurer, church clerk, teachers, and a few other offices are held by women, as allowed by scripture. It seems their problem is with scripture, not the church practices. They seemed to think those things are merely social modern constructs, when they aren't.
The writer in the article speaks about "misogyny", but I believe they are writing from a 'feminist' perspective, which is a modern error, that undermines family, and church structure. It might also be due to a cultural, or local, issue.
They speak about mandatory baptism at 14. If that is true in their local area, it is a grave mistake, as it is not following Seventh-day Adventist belief and practice, which requires a person to believe, and meet what the Bible says in several place. Merely getting dunked in water at any age, without those things, is worthless. Having a second or third later in life, is equally worthless, unless the biblical prescription is met - faith, etc.
They speak about "conservative" which is worthless. They need to speak about "conversion", which is true Seventh-day Adventist belief.
I read this, "Sex is only for creating babies and is not for pleasure." and laughed internally. That's a joke. It isn't true - at all. Whoever wrote this is writing a caricature, not a real picture. In other words, they are writing to deliberately malign the Seventh-day Adventist faith and practice.
The Seventh-day Adventist faith does not practice "public displays of disowning family and friends". They are the ones that say of themselves, "I don’t talk to them (family who are still Seventh-day Adventist) anymore." So they are the ones who cut themselves off from relationship. That's sad to see, and I am sure breaks the heart of their family members.
They are continually speaking of their present mental state, which is unhealthy, and they blame their experience, when they are always focused on clothing, dress, appearance and being able to do things which God's word forbids. Their mental state will never improve where they are, even if they go to counselling ("... put not your trust in princes ..."), which is simply secular catholicism, where a person confides in another all their problems, rather than to God in prayer.
The person uses the word "Saturdays" rather than "Sabbath". This to me, says something is up with this person's story.
The question is asked about, "What would you like to say to the leader of you cult?" And the response is, "Well, she's (referring to sister Ellen G White) very very dead ..." and that is just a ridiculous statement, and ignorant of Seventh-day Adventist history and practice. Ellen G White was never "the leader" of the Seventh-day Adventist faith, and that may be read in her own words, and history. She was a messenger of the LORD, but was always subject to scripture, and even the church body as a whole. She even submitted herself to the GC (General Conference of Seventh-day Adventist) leadership, and was sent to Australia, because they disagreed with her and didn't want her around (think like Jeremiah, etc).
The person even goes on to say that Ellen G White was "kicked in the head by a cow" and that is how her visions started. Nonsense.
I have never been through their 'experience'. My own experience is entirely different, and providential.
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Johann
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I would caution you not to be harsh @RLT63 or sit in judgement upon anyone, we are all here to promulgate the Cross and the Lord Christ Jesus.
We are all broken pots, and we spill much water brother.
Mat 12:20 A bruised reed He will not break, and a smoldering (dimly burning) wick He will not quench, till He brings justice and a just cause to victory.
See this?
God tells us in His Word that the tongue has incredible power. We can use our tongue to bring blessings and life or curses and death. The saying "sticks and stones can break my bones but words will never hurt me" is simply not true. Our tongues can be the most difficult thing to control and leave us with great regret if we use our words to hurt. There is hope!
The Bible tells us that with the help of the Holy Spirit we can have power and control over our tongue. Read the below Bible verses about the tongue and be encouraged to start speaking words of life and healing today!
1 Peter 3:10
10 For, “Whoever would love life and see good days must keep their tongue from evil and their lips from deceitful speech.
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Colossians 4:6
6 Let your conversation be always full of grace, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how to answer everyone.
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Ephesians 4:29
29 Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen.
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Proverbs 10:19
19 Sin is not ended by multiplying words, but the prudent hold their tongues.
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Proverbs 15:4
4 The soothing tongue is a tree of life, but a perverse tongue crushes the spirit.
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Proverbs 15:28
28 The heart of the righteous weighs its answers, but the mouth of the wicked gushes evil.
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Proverbs 17:9
9 Whoever would foster love covers over an offense, but whoever repeats the matter separates close friends.
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Matthew 15:11
11 What goes into someone’s mouth does not defile them, but what comes out of their mouth, that is what defiles them.”
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Proverbs 21:23
23 Those who guard their mouths and their tongues keep themselves from calamity.
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Proverbs 26:20
20 Without wood a fire goes out; without a gossip a quarrel dies down.
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Proverbs 31:26
26 She speaks with wisdom, and faithful instruction is on her tongue.
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Psalms 34:13
13 keep your tongue from evil and your lips from telling lies.
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Psalms 141:3
3 Set a guard over my mouth, LORD; keep watch over the door of my lips.
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Titus 3:1-2
1 Remind the people to be subject to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready to do whatever is good,
2 to slander no one, to be peaceable and considerate, and always to be gentle toward everyone.
Aunty Jane is doing what she believe is true, so are @Andvent, so are you, so are the rest, truth, or nuggets of truth can be found, everywhere, my brother....do not yield to the temptation to glory in another man's/sister's "misrepresenting the scriptures" since I firmly believe they don't do so willingly.
J.
RLT63
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She may not do so knowingly but she believes she is right and sits in judgment of those who don’t share her beliefs.I am merely pointing out that she should follow her own advice. I appreciate your polite approach but some people do not reciprocate
Read the following, and tell me again, if what that article says is truth or error:
QUESTION: WHO IS THE "SCAPEGOAT" OF LEVITICUS 16? IS IT JESUS OR SATAN OR SOMETHING ELSE?
Scapegoat:
Leviticus 16:8 - ”And Aaron shall cast lots upon the two goats; one lot for the LORD, and the other lot for the scapegoat.”
Leviticus 16:10 - “But the goat, on which the lot fell to be the scapegoat, shall be presented alive before the LORD, to make an atonement with him, and to let him go for a scapegoat into the wilderness.”
Leviticus 16:21 - “And Aaron shall lay both his hands upon the head of the live goat, and confess over him all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions in all their sins, putting them upon the head of the goat, and shall send him away by the hand of a fit man into the wilderness:”
Leviticus 16:26 - “And he that let go the goat for the scapegoat shall wash his clothes, and bathe his flesh in water, and afterward come into the camp.”
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Who, or What, does the “scapegoat”, in Leviticus 16’s Day of Atonement (Yom Kippur); 10th day of the 7th Month (Ethanim (1 Kings 8:2)) ceremony, represent from the type to antitype, from natural to spiritual (1 Corinthians 15:46)? Some persons have said that the scapegoat is a symbol of Jesus Christ. Some have said the scapegoat represents the devil or satan, or some evil angel in general., and some have even gone so far as to say that only the Seventh-day Adventists teach that the scapegoat is a representation of satan, while some have said other things. What is the truth?
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The reason why some persons think Jesus is the antitypical scapegoat, is because of verses like Hebrews 9:28; 1 Peter 2:24, which say that Christ “bear the sins of many”, or “bare our sins in his own body on the tree”, but they do not understand those verses in their entirety:
Hebrews 9:28 - “So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.”
1 Peter 2:24 - “Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.”
Christ Jesus bore the sins as the LORD’s goat did. However, if we consider what Leviticus 16:8,10,21,26 says about the scapegoat in that it was “presented alive before the LORD”, “to make an atonement with him”, and afterward it was to be “let go” “for a scapegoat into the wilderness” it cannot, and does not, apply to Jesus. Jesus died, as the LORD’s goat did. The LORD’s goat made atonement for all the people, as Jesus did. The LORD’s goat was never let go into the wilderness. The scapegoat is different in all of those aspects. Only one “lot”, one “goat”, was “for the LORD”, being representative of Jesus having taken upon Himself the sins of the world, as Hebrews 9:28; 1 Peter 2:24 share. Hebrews 9:28 reveals that Jesus does not eternally carry those sins from the time of Calvary (Passover). Jesus, later having become an High Priest (Hebrews 4:14; Psalms 133:1-3; Acts 2:1-4,16-18,33; Revelation 5:6), does something with those sins just before He comes the second time, for the text reads, “shall he [Jesus] appear the second time without sin unto salvation.” Where did the sin go that Jesus bore? The scapegoat portion of the Day of Atonement ceremony answers that question. Once the sins are removed from the sanctuary (Heavenly; Hebrews 8:2; Revelation 15:5) by the High Priest, they are then all placed (confessed) upon it’s head, who is then sent away into the wilderness by a ‘fit’ (timely, on time) man.
Why the scapegoat’s head? The goat was always the “sin offering” (Leviticus 4:4, 9:15, 10:16, 16:9,15,27; Numbers 15:27, 28:22, 29:22,28,31,34,38; Ezekiel 43:25). The “head” of the scapegoat, is a reference to the leader (chief, ruler; Numbers 25:15; Judges 10:18, 11:8; Isaiah 7:8-9; Ephesians 1:22) of sin (Daniel 10:13,20; Matthew 9:34, 12:24; Mark 3:22; John 12:31, 14:30, 16:11; Romans 8:38; Ephesians 2:2, 3:10, 6:12; Colossians 1:16, 2:15; Jude 1:6), and of the sinful mindset (Isaiah 1:5; Jeremiah 9:8; Matthew 12:34; Luke 6:45(b,c)). Remember what God said He would do unto the “serpent”, the instigator and author of sin (John 8:44):
Genesis 3:15 - “And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy [the serpent’s] head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.”
Psalms 7:16 - “His mischief shall return upon his own head, and his violent dealing shall come down upon his own pate.”
Romans 16:20 - “And the God of peace shall bruise [completely crush] Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen.”
This is how it is throughout the whole of scripture (KJB, 1 Kings 2:32-33,44; Esther 9:25; Job 4:8; Hosea 8:7; Joel 3:4,7; Obadiah 1:15; Proverbs 28:10; Ecclesiastes 10:8). Since Jesus took upon Himself the sins of the world (Isaiah 53:3-12, 63:3; Galatians 1:4; Hebrews 1:3; 1 John 2:2), represented by the Crown of Thorns (Genesis 3:18; Matthew 27:29; Mark 15:17; John 19:2,5), He was “bruised [crushed]” (Isaiah 53:5) by them unto death. Yet, Jesus never sinned, neither is the author, originator, or instigator of sin. Satan is. Therefore, the serpent (Revelation 20:2) is to be held responsible for all the sin/sins that have ever existed, and it is this sin which will destroy him (Leviticus 16:21; Ezekiel 28:28; Genesis 3:15; Psalms 7:16; Romans 16:20).
The ceremony required “two” goats; not just one, and it required the casting of “lots” to decide between the ”two”, one of whom was “for the LORD”, and the other “for the scapegoat”. In scripture (KJB), whenever a lot is cast, it is always used to distinguish between two or more persons or things, never the same person or thing:
Leviticus 16:8,9,10;
Numbers 26:55,56, 33:54, 34:13, 36:2,3;
Deuteronomy 32:9;
Joshua 13:6, 14:2, 15:1, 16:1, 17:1,2,14,17, 18:6,8,10,11, 19:1,10,17,24,32,40,51, 21:4,5,6,8,10,20,40, 23:4;
Judges 1:3, 20:9;
1 Samuel 14:41;
1 Chronicles 6:54,61,63,65, 16:18, 24:5,7,31, 25:8,9, 26:13,14,16;
Esther 3:7, 9:24;
Nehemiah 10:34, 11:1;
Psalms 16:5, 22:18, 105:11, 125:3;
Proverbs 1:14, 16:33, 18:18;
Isaiah 17:14, 34:17, 57:6;
Jeremiah 13:25;
Ezekiel 24:6, 45:1, 47:22, 48:29;
Daniel 12:13;
Joel 3:3;
Obadiah 1:11;
Jonah 1:7;
Micah 2:5;
Nahum 3:10;
Luke 1:9;
Acts 1:26, 8:21, 13:19.
The Day of Atonement ceremony never can take place at Calvary (AD 31; Daniel 9:24-27; Ezra 6:14), for that was the time of Passover (14th day, 1st Month (Abib/Nisan), season of Spring), unto Pentecost; while the Day of Atonement (AD 1844; Daniel 8:13-14,26; Revelation 9:13-15, 10:6, 14:6-12, &c) came much later (10th day, 7th Month (Ethanim), season of Fall).
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In Leviticus 16:10, the scapegoat was to be “alive” and let go “into the wilderness”, bearing the sins of all upon his head, which is symbolic of the devil (the leader of the rebellion against God), being led captive (Revelation 20:1-3; “fit man” (Leviticus 16:21; right on time), the “strong man”; Psalms 19:5; Proverbs 24:5; Luke 11:22), with the sins of all he has ever tempted to commit upon him (Genesis 3:15; Psalms 7:16; Romans 16:20), and held (by chains of circumstances, God’s divine providence; Psalms 73:6; Lamentations 3:7; Ezekiel 7:23; for devils easily break iron chains, Mark 5:3-4; Luke 8:29) upon the desolate earth, the “wilderness” a “land not inhabited”, “a dry land”, a “habitation of dragons” (Isaiah 34:14; Revelation 12:9, 20:2), “a parched ground”, and “thirsty land” (Isaiah 35:7; see also Psalms 68:6; Jeremiah 4:23-29, 25:33, where was once the "fruitful place”), for 1,000 years. While the saints of God are “caught up” “to meet the Lord (Jesus)” in “the air” (1 Thessalonians 4:17), satan (one time “prince of the power of the air”; Ephesians 2:2) and his angels, are “bought low” (Isaiah 2:2, 25:5). Compare Zechariah 14 ; Psalms 37 also with Jeremiah 4:23-28, 25:15-38; Zephaniah 1:2-3,14-18; Isaiah 2:6-22, 11:14, 24:1-6,17-22, 34:1-17; Ezekiel 38:8.
Compare Isaiah 24:1-20 to Revelation 16:18-21, 19:11-21, ‘world destroyed’.
Compare Leviticus 16:10(a),20 to Isaiah 24:1; Revelation 20:1-2, “host of high ones ... on high”, “Devil and Satan”.
Compare Isaiah 24:21 to Revelation 19:18-19, “kings”.
Compare Leviticus 16:10(b),21-22 to Isaiah 24:22; Revelation 20:1-3, “wilderness”, “prisoners”, “pit”.
Compare Isaiah 24:22 to Revelation 20:2-3, “after many days”, “one thousand years”.
Compare Isaiah 24:18 to Revelation 20:9-10,11-15, “cometh up”.
Compare Isaiah 24:23 to Revelation 20:4, 21:2, “reign”, “Jerusalem” (above).
Compare Isaiah 24:23 to Revelation 21:23, “moon”, ”sun”.
Compare Isaiah 4:3 to Revelation 22:11,14, “Jerusalem”, “city” (above).
At the end of the antitypical day of Atonement, the sins must be cleansed from the Heavenly Sanctuary, and from the hearts of His people (already confessed and forsaken), and finally to be placed back upon the head (Leader and heart) of the instigator of all sin, Satan. Not to pay the penalty of the sins of the saints (Jesus already did that at Calvary, AD 31 Passover), but for his own sins, as Leviticus 16:10 says, ”to make an atonement with him (scapegoat)”.... (the rest in the image)
Johann
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Thanks again for your honesty...I have a lot of questions, but that would be misconstrued for attacking the ekklesia [SDA], and I am not here to attack anyone.
Shalom
J.
As for Michael the Archangel, that was believed by the entire Reformation, and those before:
See the following materials for full details:
Michael The Archangel Files : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
Michael The Archangel FilesYOUTUBE: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCplWZcKcFd1tNbHYPS-5t9wINTERNET ARCHIVE: ...
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Specifically see Chapter 11 (complete quotes in original languages where possible), and Apendix 2 (short listing)
Yeah, it was called that by Jack Blanco, the individual author, who put such a useless thing together as a personal work, eventually sold by one of the publishing houses.
See for yourself.
"Man-Made Religion and The Clear Word" — Accusations or points raised against Adventism and/or Ellen G. White
#74, #75, #76, & #77: "In all man-made religions the authority of God's Scripture and unchanging word is challenged. The Seventh-day Adventists are no exception. They have their own version of the Bible, known as The Clear Word Bible , which inserts the words and ideas of Ellen G. White directly...
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I have only ever seen one copy of that thing, and it is useless as a Bible (because it isn't one), and for study and it should never have been sold in the publishing houses. It was one persons personal paraphrase. It is never used for preaching, that I have ever heard, never cited in any official church materials that I am aware of, and it is so rare, that most people in the church have never even heard of it (and I have spoken with plenty). I do know why it is mocked at by non-Seventh-day Adventist 'cult-finding' groups, and it should rightly be mocked in my opinion, but they make a big deal out of that which is already nothing, just to try to compare it with the NWT, etc. However, they never seem to compare it to other modern paraphrases of the Bible which are still sold in common bookstores to Christianity in general (which are equally as useless).
Johann
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I have booked marked the links but I have to tell you, no where in my KJV do I find that Christ is Michael, will peruse the links later.As for Michael the Archangel, that was believed by the entire Reformation, and those before:
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See the following materials for full details:
Michael The Archangel Files : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
Michael The Archangel FilesYOUTUBE: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCplWZcKcFd1tNbHYPS-5t9wINTERNET ARCHIVE: ...archive.org
Specifically see Chapter 11 (complete quotes in original languages where possible), and Apendix 2 (short listing)
If I may ask a question, are you using commentaries, if so, which ones?
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