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I thought you felt that way Charlie, and that was true of the pre-Christian Jews, even though only those from the tribe of Judah was actually Jews, kind of early profiling. Christian Jews are anointed Christians from all nations, peoples, tribes, and tongues Rev 5:9,10. Since they are not necessarily descendants of Judah, Paul described them for us this way: (Romans 2:28, 29) . . .he is not a Jew who is one on the outside, nor is circumcision something on the outside, on the flesh. 29 But he is a Jew who is one on the inside, and his circumcision is that of the heart by spirit and not by a written code. That person’s praise comes from God, not from people.

Those Jews make up the 144k sir, and are itemized by tribe in Rev 7, and then contrasted to the other sheep in verse 9 which are innumerable, who survive the tribulation. The Jews already being gone, as they have met the Lord in the air upon his return. 1 Thes 4:17

This is a form of replacement theology! The Church has not permanently replaced Israel and neither is a Gentile considered a Jew by faith in Christ.

In Rom. 2:28-29, Paul is discussing the salvation of the Jews. The Jews believed they were accepted of God by merely being the natural seed of Abraham. Paul says they are not, and that the outward circumcision (the Law) requires an inward circumcision (being born again) for the Jew to be accepted of God.

The audacity of the JW's in believing they are the spiritual Jews that comprise the 144,000 is the butchering of the Holy Scriptures, not to mention the ego and pride among this cult!
 
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Born again / justified declared righteous
 

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Those who are born again are accounted as righteous in the eyes of God. Works righteousness (self righteousness) along with moral self-reformation is not a substitute for regeneration and the righteousness of God which is by faith. (John 3:3; Romans 4:5-6; Philippians 3:9)
 
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Robert,

if you are not born again, you are this.

John 3:36
Joh 3:36 And he who believes in (has faith in, clings to, relies on) the Son has (now possesses) eternal life. But whoever disobeys (is unbelieving toward, refuses to trust in, disregards, is not subject to) the Son will never see (experience) life, but [instead] the wrath of God abides on him. [God's displeasure remains on him; His indignation hangs over him continually.] [Hab_2:4]


Just for him to read this.
 
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Sure, thanks for asking. If you do not consider the meek that inherit the earth to be righteous, then these verses will not apply Charlie. Ps 37:10,11, 29; Mat 5:5; Jn 10:16 and then Rev 7:9-17. Should be enough info sir.

Thats wild. If you are not born again you are not righteuos. And even then you are clothed in His righteousness. I think you are better explaining Self righteousness
 
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Just bear in mind not all remember vividly when they were born again.
the only way your not going to is be brain dead i cab bot tell you the exact colander date. but i can sure tell you the time and place . i would hope you would remember . i had a birth i cant remember and one i cant forget
 

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To believe in the only begotton Son of God. To accept his sacrifice for sin and to trust him for the salvation of your soul.
He did come to show us the right path, but this path was to trust in Him and His sacrifice as the reason for God to accept us, forgive us, and give us a new birth--to eternal life.



The path was NOT one of 'doing good deeds'--because none of us could ever be good enough. The path was to be honest about our failure to live righteous lives, and to trust in God to save us by His power (and not by ours).



"No one can be made right with God by following the law. The law only shows us our sin. But God has a way to make people right with him without the law, and he has now shown us that way which the law and the prophets told us about. God makes people right with himself through their faith in Jesus Christ. This is true for all who believe in Christ, because all people are the same: Everyone has sinned and fallen short of God’s glorious standard, and all need to be made right with God by his grace, which is a free gift.

They need to be made free from sin through Jesus Christ. God sent him to die in our place to take away our sins. We receive forgiveness through faith in the blood of Jesus’ death. This showed that God always does what is right and fair, as in the past when he was patient and did not punish people for their sins. And God gave Jesus to show today that he does what is right. God did this so he could judge rightly and so he could make right any person who has faith in Jesus. So do we have a reason to brag about ourselves? No! And why not? It is the way of faith that stops all bragging, not the way of trying to obey the law. A person is made right with God through faith, not through obeying the law" (Ro 3:20–28)



"When people work, their pay is not given as a gift, but as something earned. But people cannot do any work that will make them right with God. So they must trust in him, who makes even evil people right in his sight. Then God accepts their faith, and that makes them right with him." (Ro 4:4–5.)



I mean that you have been saved by grace through believing. You did not save yourselves; it was a gift from God. It was not the result of your own efforts, so you cannot brag about it." (Eph 2:8–9.)



In other words, there was no true path WITHOUT His death on the cross as a substitute for our punishment. It was HIS blood --as a sacrifice-- that allowed God to declare us free from the debt of sin. Forgiveness came from His death.



So through Christ we will surely be saved from God’s anger, because we have been made right with God by the blood of Christ’s death. (Ro 5:9)



In Christ we are set free by the blood of his death, and so we have forgiveness of sins. How rich is God’s grace, which he has given to us so fully and freely. (Eph 1:7–8)



His sacrifice was his own blood, and by it he set us free from sin forever. The blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a cow are sprinkled on the people who are unclean, and this makes their bodies clean again. How much more is done by the blood of Christ. He offered himself through the eternal Spirit as a perfect sacrifice to God. (Heb 9:12–14)



We did not need to be given instructions--we needed to be given LIFE… Because we were spiritually dead, we could not obey God or please God anyway.



"When you were spiritually dead because of your sins and because you were not free from the power of your sinful self, God made you alive with Christ, and he forgave all our sins. He canceled the debt, which listed all the rules we failed to follow. He took away that record with its rules and nailed it to the cross. God stripped the spiritual rulers and powers of their authority. With the cross, he won the victory and showed the world that they were powerless." [Col 2:13–15.]



We needed forgiveness of sins, but we needed more than forgiveness -- we needed to be raised from our spiritual death, we needed to be born-again, born from above. Forgiveness came from His death, and eternal life for us came through His resurrection from death. It is a gift--not a reward for walking a good path:



"The payment for sin is death. But God gives us the free gift of life forever in Christ Jesus our Lord." (Ro 6:23)



"Give praise to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. In his great mercy he has given us a new birth and a hope that is alive. It is alive because Jesus Christ rose from the dead. He has given us new birth so that we might share in what belongs to him. It is a gift that can never be destroyed" (1 Pe 1:3–4.)



"You have been born again, and this new life did not come from something that dies, but from something that cannot die. You were born again through God’s living message that continues forever." [1 Pe 1:23.]



"Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, unless you are born again, you cannot be in God’s kingdom.” Nicodemus said, “But if a person is already old, how can he be born again? He cannot enter his mother’s womb again. So how can a person be born a second time?”

But Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, unless you are born from water [physical birth] and the Spirit, you cannot enter God’s kingdom. Human life comes from human parents, but spiritual life comes from the Spirit. Don’t be surprised when I tell you, ‘You must all be born again.’ The wind blows where it wants to and you hear the sound of it, but you don’t know where the wind comes from or where it is going. It is the same with every person who is born from the Spirit.” [Gospel of John 3:3–8.]



"Some people did accept Jesus. They believed in his name ['Jesus' means 'He saves']. He gave them the right to become children of God. To be a child of God has nothing to do with human parents. Children of God are not born because of human choice or because a husband wants them to be born. They are born because of what God does. [ Jn 1:12–13.]



"God chose to give us new birth through the message of truth. He wanted us to be the first and best of everything he created" [Jas 1:18.]



And, since one man--no matter how good--cannot offer but one life as a substitute for one other person, it took the SPECIAL HUMAN-DIVINE person to offer His one INFINITE LIFE as a payment for all men, for all sins:



He gave his life to pay for our sins. But he not only paid for our sins. He also paid for the sins of the whole world. (1 Jn 2:2.)



The next day John the Baptizer saw Jesus coming toward him. John said, “Look! The Lamb of God! He takes away the sin of the world! [Jn 1:29.]



Every day the Jewish priests stand and do their religious service, often offering the same sacrifices. Those sacrifices can never take away sins. But after Christ offered one sacrifice for sins, forever, he sat down at the right side of God. And now Christ waits there for his enemies to be put under his power. With one sacrifice he made perfect forever those who are being made holy. [Heb 10:11–14.



Jesus is the kind of high priest we need. He is holy, sinless, pure, not influenced by sinners, and he is raised above the heavens. He is not like the other priests who had to offer sacrifices every day, first for their own sins, and then for the sins of the people. Christ offered his sacrifice only once and for all time when he offered himself [Heb 7:26–27.]



Christ did not enter a sacred tent made by people. That tent was only a copy of the true one. He entered heaven itself. He did it to stand in front of God for us. He is there right now. The high priest enters the Most Holy Room every year. He enters with blood that is not his own. But Christ did not enter heaven to offer himself again and again. If he had, he would have had to suffer many times since the world was created. But now he has appeared once and for all time. He has come at the end of the ages to do away with sin. He has done that by offering himself. People have to die once. After that, God will judge them. In the same way, Christ was offered up once. He took away the sins of many people. He will also come a second time. At that time he will not suffer for sin. Instead, he will come to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him. [Heb 9:24–28.]



Christ entered the Most Holy Place [up in Heaven] only once—and for all time. He did not take with him the blood of goats and calves. His sacrifice was his own blood, and by it he set us free from sin forever. The blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a cow are sprinkled on the people who are unclean, and this makes their bodies clean again. How much more is done by the blood of Christ. He offered himself through the eternal Spirit as a perfect sacrifice to God. [Heb 9:12–14.]
 

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He did come to show us the right path, but this path was to trust in Him and His sacrifice as the reason for God to accept us, forgive us, and give us a new birth--to eternal life.



The path was NOT one of 'doing good deeds'--because none of us could ever be good enough. The path was to be honest about our failure to live righteous lives, and to trust in God to save us by His power (and not by ours).



"No one can be made right with God by following the law. The law only shows us our sin. But God has a way to make people right with him without the law, and he has now shown us that way which the law and the prophets told us about. God makes people right with himself through their faith in Jesus Christ. This is true for all who believe in Christ, because all people are the same: Everyone has sinned and fallen short of God’s glorious standard, and all need to be made right with God by his grace, which is a free gift.

They need to be made free from sin through Jesus Christ. God sent him to die in our place to take away our sins. We receive forgiveness through faith in the blood of Jesus’ death. This showed that God always does what is right and fair, as in the past when he was patient and did not punish people for their sins. And God gave Jesus to show today that he does what is right. God did this so he could judge rightly and so he could make right any person who has faith in Jesus. So do we have a reason to brag about ourselves? No! And why not? It is the way of faith that stops all bragging, not the way of trying to obey the law. A person is made right with God through faith, not through obeying the law" (Ro 3:20–28)



"When people work, their pay is not given as a gift, but as something earned. But people cannot do any work that will make them right with God. So they must trust in him, who makes even evil people right in his sight. Then God accepts their faith, and that makes them right with him." (Ro 4:4–5.)



I mean that you have been saved by grace through believing. You did not save yourselves; it was a gift from God. It was not the result of your own efforts, so you cannot brag about it." (Eph 2:8–9.)



In other words, there was no true path WITHOUT His death on the cross as a substitute for our punishment. It was HIS blood --as a sacrifice-- that allowed God to declare us free from the debt of sin. Forgiveness came from His death.



So through Christ we will surely be saved from God’s anger, because we have been made right with God by the blood of Christ’s death. (Ro 5:9)



In Christ we are set free by the blood of his death, and so we have forgiveness of sins. How rich is God’s grace, which he has given to us so fully and freely. (Eph 1:7–8)



His sacrifice was his own blood, and by it he set us free from sin forever. The blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a cow are sprinkled on the people who are unclean, and this makes their bodies clean again. How much more is done by the blood of Christ. He offered himself through the eternal Spirit as a perfect sacrifice to God. (Heb 9:12–14)



We did not need to be given instructions--we needed to be given LIFE… Because we were spiritually dead, we could not obey God or please God anyway.



"When you were spiritually dead because of your sins and because you were not free from the power of your sinful self, God made you alive with Christ, and he forgave all our sins. He canceled the debt, which listed all the rules we failed to follow. He took away that record with its rules and nailed it to the cross. God stripped the spiritual rulers and powers of their authority. With the cross, he won the victory and showed the world that they were powerless." [Col 2:13–15.]



We needed forgiveness of sins, but we needed more than forgiveness -- we needed to be raised from our spiritual death, we needed to be born-again, born from above. Forgiveness came from His death, and eternal life for us came through His resurrection from death. It is a gift--not a reward for walking a good path:



"The payment for sin is death. But God gives us the free gift of life forever in Christ Jesus our Lord." (Ro 6:23)



"Give praise to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. In his great mercy he has given us a new birth and a hope that is alive. It is alive because Jesus Christ rose from the dead. He has given us new birth so that we might share in what belongs to him. It is a gift that can never be destroyed" (1 Pe 1:3–4.)



"You have been born again, and this new life did not come from something that dies, but from something that cannot die. You were born again through God’s living message that continues forever." [1 Pe 1:23.]



"Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, unless you are born again, you cannot be in God’s kingdom.” Nicodemus said, “But if a person is already old, how can he be born again? He cannot enter his mother’s womb again. So how can a person be born a second time?”

But Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, unless you are born from water [physical birth] and the Spirit, you cannot enter God’s kingdom. Human life comes from human parents, but spiritual life comes from the Spirit. Don’t be surprised when I tell you, ‘You must all be born again.’ The wind blows where it wants to and you hear the sound of it, but you don’t know where the wind comes from or where it is going. It is the same with every person who is born from the Spirit.” [Gospel of John 3:3–8.]



"Some people did accept Jesus. They believed in his name ['Jesus' means 'He saves']. He gave them the right to become children of God. To be a child of God has nothing to do with human parents. Children of God are not born because of human choice or because a husband wants them to be born. They are born because of what God does. [ Jn 1:12–13.]



"God chose to give us new birth through the message of truth. He wanted us to be the first and best of everything he created" [Jas 1:18.]



And, since one man--no matter how good--cannot offer but one life as a substitute for one other person, it took the SPECIAL HUMAN-DIVINE person to offer His one INFINITE LIFE as a payment for all men, for all sins:



He gave his life to pay for our sins. But he not only paid for our sins. He also paid for the sins of the whole world. (1 Jn 2:2.)



The next day John the Baptizer saw Jesus coming toward him. John said, “Look! The Lamb of God! He takes away the sin of the world! [Jn 1:29.]



Every day the Jewish priests stand and do their religious service, often offering the same sacrifices. Those sacrifices can never take away sins. But after Christ offered one sacrifice for sins, forever, he sat down at the right side of God. And now Christ waits there for his enemies to be put under his power. With one sacrifice he made perfect forever those who are being made holy. [Heb 10:11–14.



Jesus is the kind of high priest we need. He is holy, sinless, pure, not influenced by sinners, and he is raised above the heavens. He is not like the other priests who had to offer sacrifices every day, first for their own sins, and then for the sins of the people. Christ offered his sacrifice only once and for all time when he offered himself [Heb 7:26–27.]



Christ did not enter a sacred tent made by people. That tent was only a copy of the true one. He entered heaven itself. He did it to stand in front of God for us. He is there right now. The high priest enters the Most Holy Room every year. He enters with blood that is not his own. But Christ did not enter heaven to offer himself again and again. If he had, he would have had to suffer many times since the world was created. But now he has appeared once and for all time. He has come at the end of the ages to do away with sin. He has done that by offering himself. People have to die once. After that, God will judge them. In the same way, Christ was offered up once. He took away the sins of many people. He will also come a second time. At that time he will not suffer for sin. Instead, he will come to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him. [Heb 9:24–28.]



Christ entered the Most Holy Place [up in Heaven] only once—and for all time. He did not take with him the blood of goats and calves. His sacrifice was his own blood, and by it he set us free from sin forever. The blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a cow are sprinkled on the people who are unclean, and this makes their bodies clean again. How much more is done by the blood of Christ. He offered himself through the eternal Spirit as a perfect sacrifice to God. [Heb 9:12–14.]
Thank you. But you didnt have to write a book just to say you agree with me.
 
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1 Corinthians



"1 Corinthians 15:50-57 forms part of the last line of Pauline argumentation. New images are provided, whereas no new chronological concept is given. In verse 51, Paul does not speak of a future Messianic reign, but of the basileia tou Theo (tn: kingdom of God). Paul expects the final establishment of the basileia tou Theo when Jesus returns his basileia to the Father. He uses traditional motifs and draws on the prophetic expectation from Isaiah 25 to explain how this will happen. On the basis of these texts, we can reconstruct Paul's opinion of what will happen in the course of the final events, and their chronological order: The decisive change has already happened through Jesus' death and resurrection. Jesus has taken over the basileia now. It will last until his parousia. Then he will have fought down all enemies. When the parousia takes place, there will be the resurrection of the dead, and simultaneously the final fulfilment. This will be identical with living in the presence of Jesus/God. --- Basically there is no difference between what Paul had said in 1 Thessalonians, and what he is going to say in 2 Corinthians (5), Romans (8) and Philippians (1:23; 3:20f): On the one hand, the final goal for Paul is always the being with Christ in the presence of God, although the images and the words he uses vary. Inasmuch no real 'development' in Pauline eschatological though can be detected, as e.g. Wiefel (.), Schnelle (.) and others have tried to find." [HI:ENTSRD, 220; Wolfgang & Martin Kraus]



2 Corinthians



"Paul's apocalyptic eschatology puts Christ on the centre stage of history. The shadow of Christ falls over the past, present and future. Time is no longer an abstract concept, or a set of events that fatalistically run along the predetermined lines of cause and effect. Yes, there is causality in history, but it is to be found in the Christ-event. The death and resurrection of Christ set in motion a completely new movement of time. Christ forms the arms of the divine timepiece. Actually, he is heaven's time-clock per se. He determines the nature of time, since he embodies the true content of time, as well as the ultimate destiny towards which time, as people know and experience it, is rapidly moving. He alone determines when the present era will be replaced by the eternal era of God. " [HI:ENTSRD, 229f; Stephan Joubert]



"Paul's apocalyptic eschatology in 2 Corinthians is based on his knowledge pertaining to the not yet realized, but already known future events. In view of what is known about the divine cosmic drama that will take place imminently at the parousia, the present with all its challenges and tribulations takes on a completely new meaning. At the same time, the narrative of Jesus' earthly suffering and his victory over death provides the interpretative paradigm for Paul to reinterpret Israel's religious history, which is reflected in their authoritative documents. This new meta-narrative also helps the apostle to come to terms with his own past, as well as that of believers. Paul is thus simultaneously walking backward from the future into the present and the past, and forward again from the past into the present and the future. --- The present is eschatological time; it is the existential convergence point of God's intervention through the Christ event in the (not too distant) past, and his future rule in the risen Christ. However, the present eschatological era is antithetical and ambiguous, as seen in the apostolic ministry of Paul that is fraught with constant suffering. Thus new life is already here, but it is not yet fully revealed. Salvation is a present reality, yet all must still appear before the tribunal of Christ. But the scales have been decisively turned. The overweight is now on the side of God's eternal glory! Perhaps 2 Corinthians 4:18, the apostle's programmatic statement regarding his own eschatological hope, summarizes it best: as we look not to the things that are seen but to the things that are unseen. For the things that are seen are transient, but the things that are unseen are eternal. " [HI:ENTSRD, 237; Stephan Joubert]



Galatians



"From the above, the interrelatedness of the three eras becomes obvious. The past is depicted in terms of its relation, and its inferiority, to the present; and the nature of the future that will be experienced is determined by one's response to the gospel in the present. Furthermore we should note that, of the three eras, the one in the centre - the 'fullness of time' - is the focal point. In this sense, Christ is indeed 'die Mitte der Zeit (Cullmann 1962, 117ff.; TN: "the middle of time"). There can be no doubt about the fact that this era receives the most attention in Galatians, not only in terms of the amount of time that Paul devotes to it in the letter, but also in the sense that the basic argument that he uses to convince the Galatians is based on what happened 'in the fullness of time'; i.e. the radical change brought about by Christ's coming, and the dreadful possibility that the Galatians might lose all of this by defecting to the 'gospel' of the opponents. --- Can we now infer from the above that the future is in fact unimportant to Paul? To my mind, this would be a wrong conclusion, because it would be based on a wrong point of departure. If we merely consider the number of references to the future in this letter, we may think that we have proven our case; but, in fact, we will have missed the point. Theologically, the nature of the 'fullness of time' implies that something still has to happen in the future. I have referred above to the 'dark side' of the 'fullness of time', i.e. the overlapping of the ages or the bi-focal vision that is characteristic of the 'fullness of time'. This situation creates a theological tension, more precisely an eschatological tension, which makes one long for the future --for the day that this tension will be resolved. When we merely count the number of references to the future, we are thus on the wrong track. We should rather take note of the eschatological tension which is manifested in various ways throughout the letter, but most conspicuously in the contrast between flesh and Spirit. If we grasp the importance of this tension, the few references to the future will assume their rightful place in terms of the theology of the letter. They are brief reminders of the era when the eschatological tension will be resolved; they are theologically part and parcel of what has already happened and what happens 'in the fullness of time'. Not only do they reflect the eschatological tension which characterises living 'in the fullness of time', they also reflect the yearning for the future when this tension will be resolved. One of these references, in particular, will accordingly assume prime place in this regard, namely Galatians 5:5: For through the Spirit, by faith, we eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness. This is so, not only because this concise statement is such a remarkable summary of some of the most important central ideas in the letter, but also because it looks forward with such confidence to the day when the tension will be resolved - a confidence which only makes sense to those who grasp what has already occurred 'in the fullness of time', and who therefore can actually live in hope 'in the fullness of time'." [HI:ENTSRD, 252, 253; Francois Tolmie]
 

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To believe in the only begotton Son of God. To accept his sacrifice for sin and to trust him for the salvation of your soul.
Thanks for clarifying that sir. That would mean that all Christians are born again. We have a bit of a different viewpoint. Our understanding of it is they were anointed by holy spirit. They were selected from among Christians to be kings and priests under the King Jesus in the coming Kingdom. They are called many things; saints, holy ones, born again, bride of christ, etc, and are 144,000 in number redeemed from the earth to reside in heaven. Rev 14:1-3 God selects them and baptizes them with holy spirit. I am not one of them sir. I am not of that fold, but do claim to be one of his other sheep Jn 10:16
 

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Thanks for clarifying that sir. That would mean that all Christians are born again. We have a bit of a different viewpoint. Our understanding of it is they were anointed by holy spirit. They were selected from among Christians to be kings and priests under the King Jesus in the coming Kingdom. They are called many things; saints, holy ones, born again, bride of christ, etc, and are 144,000 in number redeemed from the earth to reside in heaven. Rev 14:1-3 God selects them and baptizes them with holy spirit. I am not one of them sir. I am not of that fold, but do claim to be one of his other sheep Jn 10:16
to be born again is be born a knew we become a new creation in Christ old things passed away all things become new . its a spiritual birth born of the spirit.


. That would mean that all Christians are born again.


yes they are JOHN 3 :
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?

5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.



if a person is not born again they will NOT make it to heaven . so if a person is a Christian they have been Born again. anything outside of that a person is LOST with out Christ
 

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I am not one of them sir. I am not of that fold, but do claim to be one of his other sheep Jn 10:16
you best be doing some soul searching .if your not one of them not in the Fold Your LOST in the natural other sheep would be outside Israel. gentiles have been brought into the fold .so one might say as a example gentiles could be the lost that are yet to be saved,
but i do find your theology just a tad bit off in left field
 

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yes they are JOHN 3 :
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?

5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.



if a person is not born again they will NOT make it to heaven . so if a person is a Christian they have been Born again. anything outside of that a person is LOST with out Christ
What does it mean to be born again Ezra?
 

Robert Gwin

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you best be doing some soul searching .if your not one of them not in the Fold Your LOST in the natural other sheep would be outside Israel. gentiles have been brought into the fold .so one might say as a example gentiles could be the lost that are yet to be saved,
but i do find your theology just a tad bit off in left field
We will continue this line when you define what you understand born again means Ezra.
 

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We will continue this line when you define what you understand born again means Ezra.
you got give a person time. your like a snail in reply. born again is the new birth born of the spirit
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born-again can be born a new or born from above . God Holy spirit enters and makes us a new creation in Christ.
another way of saying it is regenerated transformed. so i can tell you beyond a shadow of doubt.

if your not Born again/ saved you will NOT make heaven your home, none of this happens unless the spirit draws us. is that simple enough or do you need it broke down better
 
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