justbyfaith
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You are assuming that faith in Jesus is of the flesh.am thankful for Brothers like you who are grounded in the scriptures and do not trust the flesh.
Lord, open their eyes to the truth!
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You are assuming that faith in Jesus is of the flesh.am thankful for Brothers like you who are grounded in the scriptures and do not trust the flesh.
You are assuming that faith in Jesus is of the flesh.
Lord, open their eyes to the truth!
No; because you are hardening your heart to certain truths of scripture.Nope. Try again.
The Lord has ALREADY opened my eyes to His truths. Thank you very much!
No; because you are hardening your heart to certain truths of scripture.
I think that you also see my points clearly, but are steeped in your theology and must have emotional reasons for wanting to keep it.
Therefore, you will not bend or admit that you are wrong from a public perspective.
You just want to save face; because you have been shown that you are wrong, but will not publicly admit it..
Lord, open their eyes to the truth!
..... Ok, I'll bite. What exactly is the point of this?Genesis 6:3.
You are not going to see the truth on this matter until the Holy Spirit shows you...you are going to have to have a supernatural revelation in which you begin to take Romans 5:2 at face value instead of doing what you are doing...convoluting the text by trying to look for contradictions to the plain meaning of the text within the context.
If you cannot see by now that we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and that we are saved by grace through faith; if you are going to deny what this plainly means because you think that the context contradicts it, then I cannot help you.
If you hold to Calvinistic teaching because you want to believe that you can be a recipient of grace apart from believing in Jesus Christ, then you are trusting in a lie and the Lord will judge you on that day regardless; because you have been warned.
He may strive with you for a season longer; but there will come a point in which He will leave you to your opinion that you don't need to confess Him as Lord; however, on that day He will be the One to judge you over the fact that you never did confess Him.
Now if you say, "But I did confess Him", then consider that your theology provides for those who have not confessed Him a way out so that they can think that they can and will go to heaven in spite of the fact that they have not confessed Him: it gives them a false sense of assurance that will not fly on their day of judgment.
That I would have never come to Christ if He had not drawn me by His irresistible power.
I do not understand this statement at all. Please elaborate. Unless of course you don't want to anymore.
The power of the Lord can be resisted:
Act 7:51, Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so doye.
Of course the Holy Ghost is not exactly the same as God's power; however that is besides the point. The point is that when God calls us to Himself, we are capable of resisting that call.
1.) The Holy Spirit is God, just as much as the Father is God.
Acts 7:51 clearly teaches why grace must be irresistible. While it is true that those in Acts 7:51 resisted the Holy Spirit, the text clearly states that the people in question had "uncircumcised" hearts and ears. Circumcised in the Old Testament is language used for the regenerate (Deut 30:6; Ezek 36:26). In addition, these Acts 7:51 uncircumcised individuals are described as "stiff-necked." This is their natural state. So, Acts 7:51 actually confirms the absolute necessity of irresistible grace, as there is no other way such people could ever be regenerated.
So born again believers have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand. Does this say that we did not first have access by faith?
This whole thing is really ridiculous; and eradicates the basis for coming into salvation in the first place.
So I can just go on my merry way believing that I am a recipient of grace even if I have not placed my faith in Jesus and in His finished work on the Cross for my salvation.
It is a dangerous doctrine that undermines the entry point into salvation and implies that men do not need to enter in through the door using the key
I doubt the salvation of those who believe such a view; for why do they believe in it? It may be because they do not themselves want to enter in through the door using the key.
Again, read the context and who he is talking to. This verse shows the power of God in salvation, that He can take men such as these and change their hearts and make them willing. The natural man is indeed rebellious; this is why irresistable grace is needed. We are all this man, running from God, and until He reaches us, we will never have faith in Him.It teaches the exact opposite. If they can resist it, it isn't irresistible.
We might gain access into a room through a door using a key.Door and key.... tell me the verse in the Bible where it says "You in and of yourself alone have a key... now use it to unlock the door of to heaven"
We might gain access into a room through a door using a key.
The biblical metaphor is that Jesus is the door that leads into the room we call grace; and that faith in Jesus is the key that opens the door.
Romans 5:2.
I am giving up because there is spiritual blindness that is preventing you from seeing what is plainly set before you. Why should I continue to quote the same verse to you over and over? You obviously don't see its plain meaning. And my re-quoting it isn't going to change that.Is that why you are 'giving up'?