justbyfaith
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You are called upon to surrender to the work that He desires to do in your heart.Apart from God, there is no hope.
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You are called upon to surrender to the work that He desires to do in your heart.Apart from God, there is no hope.
You are called upon to surrender to the work that He desires to do in your heart.
I would quote it like this:
12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, 13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.
Then perhaps, over half of what the scripture teaches is not applicable to everyone.What I am saying is taking a verse expressly said to be about God's chosen people and applying it to all mankind is misrepresenting God and twisting His words.
Then perhaps, over half of what the scripture teaches is not applicable to everyone.
Have fun searching out and determining by your own wisdom what is applicable to you.
Proverbs 21:1 -- The King's heart is in the hand of the LORD; as the rivers of water: He turneth it whithersoever He will.
Exactly. I emphasize God's power, you emphasize your own. The next verse says this because God knew that people would try to twist this verse to say "Oh, I have to do something!", When salvation is of the Lord, not man's choice.
But no, not by my wisdom.... though I do enjoy reading the whole of Scripture.... you should try it.
See, this is actually correct!
I just don't understand how Irresistible Grace is compatible with free will.
If the Grace is Irresistible, then we do not have a choice. We are automatons.
Calvinists change and ignore the definition of words in order to have their doctrines work.
See, being condescending as you are being to me right now is characteristic of your ilk. I do not have to defend my reputation as one who reads an extensive amount of scripture on a daily basis.
No, it is incorrect. It means that the average person cannot know what is applicable to him when he reads the Bible. My God is not like that. He has made His message abundantly clear so that salvation can be given to as many as will receive it. My God calls on the sinner to reason with Him.
Acts 7:51, Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.
This applies twofold: not only does it refute Calvinism but it declares the heart of the Calvinist.
For one thing, this is talking about the direction of government and the fact that the government is on Jesus' shoulders; it is not saying that God controls everyone like a puppet and that we have no choice in any matter. If I can choose what type of jam I wanted on my toast this morning, I can choose, when the opportunity presents itself, whether I will receive or reject Christ as my Lord and Saviour. And I am humanly responsible for the choice that I make.
If God makes that decision for me, then I am not humanly responsible.
However, scripture is clear that every man has a free choice in the matter. Now is the accepted time in which He will succour you.
I just suggest reading them as a whole rather than cherry picking.
1 Corinthians 2:14 -- But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Then your God is not the God of Scripture. Only with the enlightenment of the Spirit can we understand the Scriptures.
Read to whom Paul is speaking. It is to those who are already Christians, already the people of God, telling them to weed out these sinful desires from their hearts for more and more things. They were basically asking what they would get in Heaven, and Paul is telling them they have a long way to go.
4.) You are still humanly responsible!
we are children of Satan and do his bidding.
How is man still humanly responsible if he cannot make the decision to receive or reject Christ but your god makes that choice for him?
Speak for yourself.
What has that to do with the elect..Indeed, Luke 8:13 shows a person who believes for a while and then falls away.
However, John 6:47 tells us that whosoever believes on Jesus has everlasting life.
How do they have everlasting life if they fell away?
There are two options:
1) Falling away does not constitute losing the spiritual life that the Lord imparts. I reject this because it is preposterous.
2) There are two types of faith spoken of in scripture identified by the same word. One is a shallow, lukewarm, or nominal faith that can be identified as mere mental assent to the tenets of the gospel. With such a faith, a person can fall away; and such a faith is not unto heart righteousness (Romans 10:10 (kjv)). The second is a heart righteousness that endures to the end (Romans 10:10 (kjv), Matthew 10:22 (kjv), Hebrews 3:6 (kjv), Hebrews 3:14 (kjv))
Because Adam was the representative head of our race, and made the free will choice for us. Now, we are in bondage to sin and Satan unless God sets us free.
Speak for myself? I may be condescending, but at least I'm not hypocritical.
John 6:47 applies to the elect; while Luke 8:13 applies to those who "believe" but are not elect.What has that to do with the elect..
This is what I do. I also let the Holy Spirit illuminate verses and what they mean as I come across them in their context. Taking individual verses as authoritative as they exist in their context; and in my comprehension of them the context never contradicts the plain meaning of the individual scripture verses.
This is talking about the unwillingness of man to receive the things of the Spirit of the Lord...he considers those things to be foolishness because he doesn't want to believe them. Now of course in the latter part of this scripture it becomes clear that the scriptures are spiritually discerned..however this does not mean that the Lord is incapable of speaking to a man via his opening the Bible and reading it.
Are you looking at the same scripture passage even? The statement in Acts 7:51 was given by Stephen the church's first martyr, and it was directed at the Hellenists that were opposing themselves as Stephen ministered to them.
I was actually turned to the wrong chapter, my apologies. Regardless, this passage speaks of man's total depravity; these men will refuse Christ until the day they die unless He changes their wills. I have not problem saying that people reject the general calling; men do this all the time.
The doctrine of election proves the power of the blood of the Lamb my Sister. Without His shed blood, the elect would not be saved.
I noticed you posted, in a roundabout way, 2 Peter 3:9. You have took one verse and extrapolated it from the rest of the text. First off, that is addressed to believers, and not unbelievers. The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.[2 Peter 3:9] Notice in that verse these two words 'toward you'. Peter is addressing the elect of God, not all mankind en toto.
Also, the bible is God-breathed 16 All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; 17 so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.[2 Timothy 3] Inspired by God is also written God-breathed in other versions. Whatever the writer wrote under the Spirit's inspiration is the same as if the Christ had spoken it. Why do I say this? What Peter wrote we can also see the Christ saying the same thing about not desiring any perish.
12 “What do you think? If any man has a hundred sheep, and one of them has gone astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine on the mountains and go and search for the one that is straying? 13 If it turns out that he finds it, truly I say to you, he rejoices over it more than over the ninety-nine which have not gone astray. 14 So it is not the will of your Father who is in heaven that one of these little ones perish.[Matthew 18]
God is not desiring any of His sheep perish, as Peter wrote and the Christ spoke.