Can a Christian be a Democrat?

[GodsGrace]

Don't give up on God.

May it never be!
God always gets HIS way.
Nothing happens He does not want to happen.

 

[GodsGrace]

think i'll leave all the politics to all the born agains lol, they seem to go together well

I do believe this is true!
I find that many, if not most, democrats do not believe in God or His ways.

If they did, they wouldn't be Democrats...

I DO want to say that this was not true back in the 50's, 60's and maybe even the 70's. I don't know when the change happened, but it did. Democrats used to stand for something...now they stand for something else.

Looks like their goal is the removal of God from everything.
Being atheist has become a religion and a political party.

 

[Truth]

I do believe this is true!
I find that many, if not most, democrats do not believe in God or His ways.

If they did, they wouldn't be Democrats...

I DO want to say that this was not true back in the 50's, 60's and maybe even the 70's. I don't know when the change happened, but it did. Democrats used to stand for something...now they stand for something else.

Looks like their goal is the removal of God from everything.
Being atheist has become a religion and a political party.

As BOL would say, SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, True. LOL, But True

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

I do believe this is true!
I find that many, if not most, democrats do not believe in God or His ways.

If they did, they wouldn't be Democrats...

I DO want to say that this was not true back in the 50's, 60's and maybe even the 70's. I don't know when the change happened, but it did. Democrats used to stand for something...now they stand for something else.

Looks like their goal is the removal of God from everything.
Being atheist has become a religion and a political party.

I would say that regardless of political party it's Socialism that is the ungodly.

We in Australia have had our right wing party's become Socialist by stealth and cunning, the very wealthy are full of people who want to lord it over the rest and they now are in bed with the Left in a struggle so as to try to dominate the majority to there own whims.

Socialism is a god to all fools that peddle mans works and that's a fact.

People who follow in Jesus Christ are not Fooled by the cunning of Socialism, the religious that look to Socialism do so because they are not Born Again.

Even atheist are religious, I have never met a person ever that was not religious, nor has there ever been a tribe or nation that was not religious, even Communism is a religion, any belief system is a religious thing regardless of what they may claim in fact.

The political party's spend millions on spin doctors every year and have many people working together in how to con the public, they have all got uni degrees in there field and the leader of the party has to be a very good at telling lies or they do not get the position.

Political Party's all are a business and look after number one first, there are always factions within, but the trick is to get all to tow the line, not to mention that Socialism demands such do tow the line.

I am with a new Political Party called the Conservatives and many people who were members for many years from the major right wing have come over to this Party now, because the major right party has changed it's spots and we are in fact the original party's foundations, but we have been cast aside, so we had to start up another party, that had the values of the party that once was.
All the members agree that there old party had changed that much that they were so pissed off with it, that they had no value and jumped ship.

The old Party has been infiltrated by NWO Socialist Nazi type of thugs that do not listen to the people and that's typical of Socialist, because they think that big brother knows best for you all and your voice does not count, as you will just become a number like cattle to the demented Satanist bastards.

Your typical lefty is a dupe wanting handouts and what ever like a baby bird that is to pathetic to fend for it's self because it's like a lame duck, so it needs help to sustain it's self and that's where the Government is look to as there saviour, so they can live in squalor of their ignorance making up stupid childish moronic laws, following Cultural Marxist Political Correctness dribble that only enslaves all with madness.

 

[aspen]

I do believe this is true!
I find that many, if not most, democrats do not believe in God or His ways.

If they did, they wouldn't be Democrats...

I DO want to say that this was not true back in the 50's, 60's and maybe even the 70's. I don't know when the change happened, but it did. Democrats used to stand for something...now they stand for something else.

Looks like their goal is the removal of God from everything.
Being atheist has become a religion and a political party.

Many Democrats have been rejected by rich Republican church members

 

[GodsGrace]

I would say that regardless of political party it's Socialism that is the ungodly.

We in Australia have had our right wing party's become Socialist by stealth and cunning, the very wealthy are full of people who want to lord it over the rest and they now are in bed with the Left in a struggle so as to try to dominate the majority to there own whims.

Socialism is a god to all fools that peddle mans works and that's a fact.

People who follow in Jesus Christ are not Fooled by the cunning of Socialism, the religious that look to Socialism do so because they are not Born Again.

Even atheist are religious, I have never met a person ever that was not religious, nor has there ever been a tribe or nation that was not religious, even Communism is a religion, any belief system is a religious thing regardless of what they may claim in fact.

The political party's spend millions on spin doctors every year and have many people working together in how to con the public, they have all got uni degrees in there field and the leader of the party has to be a very good at telling lies or they do not get the position.

Political Party's all are a business and look after number one first, there are always factions within, but the trick is to get all to tow the line, not to mention that Socialism demands such do tow the line.

I am with a new Political Party called the Conservatives and many people who were members for many years from the major right wing have come over to this Party now, because the major right party has changed it's spots and we are in fact the original party's foundations, but we have been cast aside, so we had to start up another party, that had the values of the party that once was.
All the members agree that there old party had changed that much that they were so pissed off with it, that they had no value and jumped ship.

The old Party has been infiltrated by NWO Socialist Nazi type of thugs that do not listen to the people and that's typical of Socialist, because they think that big brother knows best for you all and your voice does not count, as you will just become a number like cattle to the demented Satanist bastards.

Your typical lefty is a dupe wanting handouts and what ever like a baby bird that is to pathetic to fend for it's self because it's like a lame duck, so it needs help to sustain it's self and that's where the Government is look to as there saviour, so they can live in squalor of their ignorance making up stupid childish moronic laws, following Cultural Marxist Political Correctness dribble that only enslaves all with madness.

Looks like you've said it all and I have nothing to add except that I agree with you on all points.

The only thought I can add is that here and in the U.S. the left is the party of socialism. The right still believes in independence and individual power over our own affairs (as much as could be possible).

Sounds like you've been betrayed. I hope the Conservatives works out.

 

[GodsGrace]

Many Democrats have been rejected by rich Republican church members

What?
This is done?
I can hardly believe it. Joining a church has become like trying to buy a condo on the upper East Side??

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Looks like you've said it all and I have nothing to add except that I agree with you on all points.

The only thought I can add is that here and in the U.S. the left is the party of socialism. The right still believes in independence and individual power over our own affairs (as much as could be possible).

Sounds like you've been betrayed. I hope the Conservatives works out.

I believe that it's the NWO that controls the top people of the Party's and they have to tow the line.

Most of the right here are as you say, but they have had bugger all rights to say there point of view under PM Turnbull and all the conservatives with in were cunningly controlled or kicked out by stealth.

The Conservative party can not do much but get senators in power as it's only a 2 party system and anyone who threatens that will be destroyed or killed as the system is controlled by the far right and far left who are in bed with each other, so a small group of Satanist control all, such people are psychopaths and are top Freemasons who have a bag of tricks they use to control there own stooges with brainwashing tricks and they control the media.
I know a lot of freemasons and most are fine people but always corrupted by greed and power, I will talk to them and some can come to there senses, I have even had them question what they are doing in the lodge, about what it's all truly about, they do not know but once they go back to one person in their group they are snapped straight back into the brainwashed state again, there is a person that has powers of control over the group and this person can be anyone within and such is not all ways up the top of the ladder, but they all run to him as the guru when they have doubts and then they have no recall of the talk that I had with them.
No wonder they can not reveal what they are do, because they will be found out as to what's truly going on by the public.
Sure they do a lot of good works and all and that empowers their ego above the Lord Jesus as they claim that they are the movers and shakers in the world and that no one is to challenge them.
But when one knows the true workings of Satan, such works sticks out, By there works you will know them the Bible says.

Both the past right wing PM's Abbott and Turnbull come from Jesuits backgrounds and what they say is only a front to fool all that they can and there real intentions are not displayed.

Trump may be much the same as them, is he a Freemason or some how involved with Jesuits.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

I don't think God has anything to do with giving power to governments at all.

Daniel says God controls the course of world events and sets kings in their places and removes kings from their places.

 

[APAK]

The title is the post. In my brief life I've never seen so much hate, so many lies, so much adversity from those than say the are Christian and also democrats. I try to stay away from most of what is called news, the daily body count, etc. But I do want to know the gist of governmental going on like the Kavanaugh confirmation. I see that the accuser of Kavanaugh is finding the kitchen a lot hotter place to cook than she thought. She has agreed to testify IF on her terms. Democrats vow to impeach him if confirmed. What a job to have!

My belief is than multitudes that believe themselves to be Christians are not. Church attendance deceives many to believe they are Christians but they still stand up for abortion and other anti biblical beliefs. So many of the democrats are Catholics but still support abortion and putting illegal immigrants before citizens. They spit in the face of those immigrants that labored to become citizens.

There is no way you can be a Democrat and a born again follower of Jesus christ.

These are my beliefs but may not be yours.

Frank: first off, I’m no player in national politics. Local, community and family politics is enough for me.

I believe I do though understand your OP as several others here have either deliberately tried to derail it or are not ‘getting it.’ They need to read your OP again for understanding this time.

Without any scientific proof, as if it is needed on this subject, I do get the impression through my spiritual source, from God, that evil forces and spirits always move through powerful people of influence that have no or little faith or regard in the ways of God. I will go so far as to say that if another believer disagreed with me on this point, I would question their authenticity as a believer in Christ.

So as far as political parties go, the party representing the extreme left or extreme right is where the forces of evil assemble in force, prepared to control the beliefs, movements and thoughts of people against reasonable civility and good manners, based on the principles and morality of God. History supports this as fact.

In America, as in any country there is generally a right-leaning and a left-leaning political party. The aim is to create a balance towards the center, at the fulcrum. And in this country, they are the Republican and Democrat parties that play these parts.

What I believe you are waving a red flag at Frank, as your major concern, is the how the left party is becoming more extreme through their extreme actions over the last 20 or so years. I would say no one can disagree with this.

I believe since the end of WWII the Democrat party has been leaning more left, and today it is becoming alarming. In fact, I would say if it does not move back to its center, it is really the birth of the new socialist party in America. I hope it then does not become that unstable as to degenerate into anarchy.

Frank, you cite the new supreme court nominee and the situation surrounding him. This is a current example and appropriate of what I’m saying about the injection of needless instability into a mature and classic political process of this country. And which party is promoting this instability. It is quite obvious.

I believe you are not speaking to the micro level of politics that concern say social issues, as in which party is pro-like or pro-abortion etc. It is MUCH bigger and a macro problem for America. Evil is overtaking this country and coming today from the left extreme party. Who cannot see this is an underground dweller.

We should all be concerns with was is happening in America! Yes, I do know God allows all this, although we need to be vigilant to our world surroundings; it is prudent and wise.

So, my answer is that a believer should not become entangled in politics as someone already said. If one were to choose to participate though, ask yourself a simple question, which party is going extreme, using gangster tactics to divide people with cries of inequality and resistance to obeying laws that God has allowed to operate in society for thousands of years? I say that is the party where evil is prevalent. And as a believer we should shun it for its predominance in evil works.

France, in the late 18th century went ‘off the deep end’ and so did Russia in the early 20th century. Both forces of evil came from the left, the socialists, the communists. The reply to this extreme socialistic and evil stance has always been the creation of an extreme right wing of ‘good and evil’ to neutralize it; as we read and see in documentaries on the 20th century.

Frank, I do understand your concern and its warranted, indeed. Excellent OP.

Bless you,

APAK

 

[Frank Lee]

Although today's sacrificing is not religious per se....unless we are talking about the goddess "liberty" that adorns your NY harbour.

Foreigners with a seriously flawed country slamming America?

I guess you're not American. Can't tell. Canada has had plenty of help. Their forest products industry is subsidized by their government. We have to buy our raw timber here in America. No free ride. Eh?

America has helped every nation on earth including Canada. Your people have to come to America to keep alive in a dire mecical crisis. Don't knock what blood bought. America is not some political party. Eh?

Canada has a plethora of problems. Eh?

PS; keep your beak on your side of the border eh?

 

[Frank Lee]

Hey Frank,

Since there is no real clear definition of a Democrat (some pro-life, some pro-border wall etc etc) can you give a clear definition of a "born again follower of Jesus"??

NO.

 

[Helen]

Frank: first off, I’m no player in national politics. Local, community and family politics is enough for me.

I believe I do though understand your OP as several others here have either deliberately tried to derail it or are not ‘getting it.’ They need to read your OP again for understanding this time.

Without any scientific proof, as if it is needed on this subject, I do get the impression through my spiritual source, from God, that evil forces and spirits always move through powerful people of influence that have no or little faith or regard in the ways of God. I will go so far as to say that if another believer disagreed with me on this point, I would question their authenticity as a believer in Christ.

So as far as political parties go, the party representing the extreme left or extreme right is where the forces of evil assemble in force, prepared to control the beliefs, movements and thoughts of people against reasonable civility and good manners, based on the principles and morality of God. History supports this as fact.

In America, as in any country there is generally a right-leaning and a left-leaning political party. The aim is to create a balance towards the center, at the fulcrum. And in this country, they are the Republican and Democrat parties that play these parts.

What I believe you are waving a red flag at Frank, as your major concern, is the how the left party is becoming more extreme through their extreme actions over the last 20 or so years. I would say no one can disagree with this.

I believe since the end of WWII the Democrat party has been leaning more left, and today it is becoming alarming. In fact, I would say if it does not move back to its center, it is really the birth of the new socialist party in America. I hope it then does not become that unstable as to degenerate into anarchy.

Frank, you cite the new supreme court nominee and the situation surrounding him. This is a current example and appropriate of what I’m saying about the injection of needless instability into a mature and classic political process of this country. And which party is promoting this instability. It is quite obvious.

I believe you are not speaking to the micro level of politics that concern say social issues, as in which party is pro-like or pro-abortion etc. It is MUCH bigger and a macro problem for America. Evil is overtaking this country and coming today from the left extreme party. Who cannot see this is an underground dweller.

We should all be concerns with was is happening in America! Yes, I do know God allows all this, although we need to be vigilant to our world surroundings; it is prudent and wise.

So, my answer is that a believer should not become entangled in politics as someone already said. If one were to choose to participate though, ask yourself a simple question, which party is going extreme, using gangster tactics to divide people with cries of inequality and resistance to obeying laws that God has allowed to operate in society for thousands of years? I say that is the party where evil is prevalent. And as a believer we should shun it for its predominance in evil works.

France, in the late 18th century went ‘off the deep end’ and so did Russia in the early 20th century. Both forces of evil came from the left, the socialists, the communists. The reply to this extreme socialistic and evil stance has always been the creation of an extreme right wing of ‘good and evil’ to neutralize it; as we read and see in documentaries on the 20th century.

Frank, I do understand your concern and its warranted, indeed. Excellent OP.

Bless you,

APAK

What a totally excellent post...and very clearly said.
Thank you for that.

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[Reggie Belafonte]

Daniel says God controls the course of world events and sets kings in their places and removes kings from their places.

He does that but he does not set them up in the first place does he ?

Or are you claiming that God set up Hitler for the job.
Not to mention all the communist leaderships as well.
And the Holocaust was Gods doing as well ?

As to the correct religious position a burnt offering is due to Gods will is it not. but I don't believe that position of the Nazis was a burnt offering to God, but genocide just typical of Socialist man made works abiding in Satan.

Not to mention that the History of the so called Socialist Zionist supported the killing of Jews who did not fall into line with there agendas, who were in fact good mates with there Socialist Nazi mates, so from there point of view they would claim such as a burnt offering, to be sure to be sure because it's a work of there god, see the small g ? that means idols and see the Star they have on there flag, what does St Stephen in Acts 7:43 say that that symbol represents, not to mention that anyone who does not know that fact would be a very poor Christian, if at all or most likely a Satanist. theses Jews are not the real Jews Act 7:41

 

[stunnedbygrace]

He does that but he does not set them up in the first place does he ?

Or are you claiming that God set up Hitler for the job.
Not to mention all the communist leaderships as well.
And the Holocaust was Gods doing as well ?

As to the correct religious position a burnt offering is due to Gods will is it not. but I don't believe that position of the Nazis was a burnt offering to God, but genocide just typical of Socialist man made works abiding in Satan.

Not to mention that the History of the so called Socialist Zionist supported the killing of Jews who did not fall into line with there agendas, who were in fact good mates with there Socialist Nazi mates, so from there point of view they would claim such as a burnt offering, to be sure to be sure because it's a work of there god, see the small g ? that means idols and see the Star they have on there flag, what does St Stephen in Acts 7:43 say that that symbol represents, not to mention that anyone who does not know that fact would be a very poor Christian, if at all or most likely a Satanist. theses Jews are not the real Jews Act 7:41

If He sets kings in their places, it sounds to me like setting them up in the first place yes. I have no objections to the verse.

 

[Frank Lee]

I've always despised politics and the corruption that flourishes there.

It's sobering to witness the rapid exposure of those that are anti christ, anti Christian. To be an actual witness to the demise of what was once the greatest free nation on earth. To see the results of casting out God.

We see Israel doing the same in the old testament and what happened. America is doing the exact same things. False gods, sacrificing children to devils, following false prophets, courrupt govenment. Everything Israel sinned in America is following.

Regardless of political party etc evil is promoted as right.

To be witness is numbing.

 

[Frank Lee]

Does God set up rulers? Yes. All powers? Yes?

Romans 13:1 KJVS
Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

 

[Marymog]

I certainly can't see every heart. But based on the words of their leaders, Pelosi and others, abortion seems to be a chief stone in their platform. While not a republican either more of them speak against abortion.
We must vote for the man or woman who we can believe, if politicians can be believed.

I never thought I'd seethe day when this country was in such a state. Policies advocated now were once treasonous.

May God direct us all through these times.

Thank you.

I agree with you that abortion is ONE of the chief stones in their platform. The others being free health care for all and welfare.

Based on your response I think it is fair to say that your blanket statement in your OP, "There is no way you can be a Democrat and a born again follower of Jesus Christ" isn't true?

One can be a democrat AND a follower of Jesus?

Mary

 

[Marymog]

NO.

Thank you for your honesty.

Mary

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Daniel says God controls the course of world events and sets kings in their places and removes kings from their places.

Show us the verse.