Can a tare become saved?

[Dash RipRock]

Care to share them?

Why would I bother to do that?
The answers would come from God's Word, and you don't accept God's Word

Anyone claiming to be a Christian who acknowledges that they don't accept God's Word are publicly letting everyone know they are tares and not a real Christian.

 

[Scott Downey]

Paul teaches in Romans that "every person has the measure of Faith".

However, that does not mean that God causes anyone to believe in Christ.
What God does is REQUIRE our Faith in His Son.



James 2 teaches that you can have "dead faith".

So, we see that the Holy Spirit is not maintaining it for you.



Notice.

"Depart from me, i never knew you".....Jesus said.....and he's talking to many disciples.

What's their problem?

= They are followers, who are keeping Jesus's words,....... but they are not born again, so, Jesus does not "know them".

See....,when God "knows" you, is when you become joined to God Spiritually, as born again., "In Christ".




Notice.

"Depart from me, i never knew you".....Jesus said.....and he's talking to many disciples.

What their problem?

They are followers, who are keeping Jesus's words,....... but they are not born again, so, Jesus does not "know them".

See,when God "knows" you, is when you become joined to God Spiritually, as born again., "In Christ".




As long as you are born again, and not just water baptized and religious.




I dont change Paul's Doctrine.
I just teach it.



The Christian, born again, is already Made Righteous, based on the "imputed righteousness of Christ"'

This doesn't ever end.
So, if a "made righteous" Christian is confessing "sin" then they dont understand the finished work of Jesus on the Cross.
They dont understand their Salvation.




The "Gift of Salvation" is not a process.

Being born again, is not a process.

Being "made righteous" is instant, and forever.




Sin, is defined by the Law.
So, if a person is under the law, then their carnality, = is defined by the Law, as SIN.

However, "where there is NO LAW... there is no sin, (Transgression).""""""

A.) The born again are : "Not under the Law.......but under Grace".




Jesus dying on the Cross is our Salvation.
You can't work that out.

So, its like this..

Here is how i teach my students to understand your verse.

"Work out your Salvation, in AWE and WONDER":..........as that is how to understand the verse, correctly.

Also, we are not trying to work to stay saved.... as we already have God's Salvation, as "The Gift of Salvation" given to the BELIEVER.

So, now Having it...........we are to learn how to exist within it, according to revelation knowledge that is the Knowledge of God.
This informantion is taught by Paul.

Scripture says
Romans 12:3
For I say, through the grace given to me, to everyone who is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think soberly, as God has dealt to each one (among you, that is the believers) a measure of faith.
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So it is not that the unbelieving have faith in Christ, just that the believing, God has given them faith, and with that many other scriptures agree, such as

Acts 3:16
And His name, through faith in His name, has made this man strong, whom you see and know. Yes, the faith which comes through Him has given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all.

And Jesus is the author and finisher of our faith, I take that personally, not in a general sense, as God is a personal God.

Hebrews 12, is about our personal faith and the disciplining we receive as sons from God, it is very personal.
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1 Therefore we also, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which so easily ensnares us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, 2 looking unto Jesus, the [a]author and [b]finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.

The Discipline of God​

3 For consider Him who endured such hostility from sinners against Himself, lest you become weary and discouraged in your souls. 4 You have not yet resisted to bloodshed, striving against sin. 5 And you have forgotten the exhortation which speaks to you as to sons:

“My son, do not despise the [c]chastening of the Lord,
Nor be discouraged when you are rebuked by Him;
6 For whom the Lord loves He chastens,
And scourges every son whom He receives.”

7 If[d] you endure chastening, God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom a father does not chasten? 8 But if you are without chastening, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate and not sons. 9 Furthermore, we have had human fathers who corrected us, and we paid them respect. Shall we not much more readily be in subjection to the Father of spirits and live? 10 For they indeed for a few days chastened us as seemed best to them, but He for our profit, that we may be partakers of His holiness. 11 Now no [e]chastening seems to be joyful for the present, but painful; nevertheless, afterward it yields the peaceable fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it.

The Lord loves the sons whom he is bringing to glory, and that is why He disciples only them, He disciples those He love.
No one can say that of unbelievers.

8 But if you are without chastening, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate and not sons.

 

[Behold]

God has given them faith,

Actually, Jesus told you, that "all who believe in me, I give unto you eternal life".

So, that is not God causing you to believe, that is you choosing to believe in Jesus.

Welcome to your Free Will @Scott Downey

Or as Paul told you....>>"ALL who believe in Jesus, shall be saved"........and notice he didnt say......>>"all who God causes, forces, or coerces to believe"... as Lying Calvinists teach about the source of : "faith".

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I'm not "rationalizing" anything, Ronald. But yes, God's eternal decree, for sure. It is what it is. My intent is to make things clearer using everyday human terms, if you will, but still, it is what it is.

Grace and peace to you.

If yourt trademark slogan "it is what it is" means that God seeks the lost sheep and not the goats or He gathers the wheat He planted and not turning tares to wheat, I agree! that is the word of God.

 

[PinSeeker]

Believing in... something.

I agree, but it has to be given you first. You don't assure yourself; such would be an empty assurance. The assurance has to come from outside of yourself, else you cannot use it, and thus you will not believe in that something.

You get to Choose, (Free Will) where you place YOUR Faith, as its yours to use, as you choose.

Yes, but if God has not given you His assurance of salvation, your faith will be always be in something else, and thus you will never use your free will to choose God. As I said, it's not about having or not having free will... of course we have free will. But we need a new spirit other than our natural one ~ a heart of flesh rather than a heart of stone ~ to exercise our free will correctly.

Ok, you are teaching Calvinism nonsense, again.

Okay, well, I am a Calvinist, sure. In the same vein, you, Behold, are an Arminian, and I say you are teaching Arminian nonsense (even if you don't know it and/or don't know who Jacobus Arminius was). And you are. <smile> John Calvin was right; Jacobus Arminius was wrong.

God does not give anyone faith in Christ.

This is in direct refutation of the very definition of faith according to Hebrews 11:1... "faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen." We certainly hope, but the assurance of that hope comes from God. As I have said many times, you cannot assure yourself of what is hoped for or conviction of things not seen.

God does not cause anyone to Believe in Jesus.

And I have agreed many times. Our belief in Jesus is the inevitable result of our having been given this new spirit, even the Holy Spirit. It is our changed heart that then prompts us to believe.

God is not looking for His faith........He's looking for YOURS...

Right, and if He gives it to you, he will "find it." LOL!

Everyone has faith.

Sure, but not saving faith, as I've said many times. Everyone has faith in something, yes, but in all cases, they've gotten it from someone or something.

... THEIR Faith, in Christ., as God requires before He will give them ": "the gift of Salvation".

That is exactly backwards. One cannot have any kind of faith ~ which again is assurance ~ unless he or she has been given it. We must see to believe.

In eternity, unbelievers will not be judged for sin...they will judged this way.. at the GWTJ

Right, and they will sit in this judgment for eternity. <shudder>

God is the Judge of the unsaved dead. Christ is the "Bema Seat" Judge of the born again.

All will be judged according to what they have done.

That not true.

It is.

...its going to rot in the ground in an expensive box, or be cremated.

Right, but we will all be resurrected, either to eternal life or to judgment. We will be just as tangible and physical as Jesus was when He was resurrected.

Now, regarding the born again, we get a new body...

No, our body is made new, and will finally be truly redeemed along with our spirit, and the two will be one again, this time for eternity.

No one is predestined to believe...

Right; never said anything like that...

, but all the believers are predestined subsequent to becoming "in Christ"

From before the foundation of the world. Ephesians 1:4-5 is quite impossible to get around, really. Now, our predestination is made manifest, or fulfilled, or brought to fruition, when we are born again, but was decreed before the foundation of the world.

....to be "conformed into the image of Christ".

Regarding our predestination, what we were long, long ago predestined to, yes.

You dont have meet Jesus in the Air, as the NT teaches.

We will go out to meet Him in His return, yes. This is what subjects do when royalty returns.

You are welcome to stay down here, and deal with the Grt Trib. and 2 Thess 1:8-9.

LOL! The time of tribulation will be over then.

Its nice that you are now using that term. "Pauline Theology". Im glad i could lead you to it.

LOL!

And the resurrection where we will become like Jesus, will include getting our resurrection body, same as His.

Yes, tangible, physical, and finally without sin. Made new.

The Spirit man, in the born again is already separated. Spiritual = "circumsied "" Colossians 2:11

Yes, we have spiritual life now as well as physical... And one great day it will all be eternal, rather than just the spiritual in us. <smile>

Grace and peace to you.

 

[PinSeeker]

If yourt trademark slogan "it is what it is" means that God seeks the lost sheep and not the goats or He gathers the wheat He planted and not turning tares to wheat, I agree! that is the word of God.

In a sense, Ronald, we agree.

But there is another sense, the one in which, naturally speaking, we are all tares/goats from the beginning. We have all fallen short of the glory of God.

Grace and peace to you.