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Discussion in 'Ethics & Morality Forum' started by aspen, Sep 5, 2019.

  1. brakelite

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    I fear for Christianity when Christians advocate violence and kindred behaviours to solve problems aka David and Goliath. I could find several scriptures contrary to such ideas.
     
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    Ah.... THAT is the real crux of most of these Trump Hating posts. Do they REALLY want to know the true facts? Mostly, I doubt they do..... about ANYTHING they claim.
     
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    Yes we elected a pit bull - but ask yourself if it could all be show? Ask yourself - as I have done - "could I be wrong about him?" And then begin researching Agenda 21 - and follow the path it leads you on. You'll see that Trump is part of the "Hegelian Dialectic" that has been played on the masses for many years. Trump is not you and me - he's elite. He's hobnobbed with the elite. Why don't you research his connections to Jeffrey Eppstein and Clintons?

    For all his bluster and (alleged) fights - Trump has not improved America. Don't you realize that all the news stations are government owned? Do you know that most politicians are compromised and put on a show for the public? It's all smoke and mirrors. To give you an example: a relative had a court case and the lawyers on opposing sides all put on a good show for the people who were paying them. But then my relative told me that during the break, the lawyers from 'alleged' opposing sides were all socializing together and joking. It's all a show. The newspapers act like they're against Trump but they're not - they're all owned by the same group. The CIA owns CNN. Trump acts like he's fighting the Democrats but he's not - they're all owned by the same group - Pelosi, Schumer. They each appeal to the liberals or the right but they're hell-bent on moving America into a One World Order. I didn't reach this decision lightly. I researched it for several years and learned all the back-connections, the deceptions, and the overall plan to destroy America's sovereignty.

    This all may sound so crazy in the light of day and I would not have believed it unless I had researched it in depth and actually seen the earmarks of what they're doing. It's a plan that was enacted many years ago - you can locate the disparate threads and see how they all fit: George H. Bush talking about the New World Order, The Pope pushing for mass migration into America - trying to make it sound like a humanitarian crisis when it's all done to destroy cohesion: they learned from history - part of the reason why Rome fell was due to mass migration.

    The questions lingering about 9-11 - anyone who has looked into it believes our own government did it. What first caused me concern was when my husband and his men, who have witnessed hundreds of demolitions remarked that the buildings collapsed as if by controlled demolition. I encountered a cop in a pharmacy who told me 9-11 was done by our own government. I don't know if he was on the scene and knew things. But then Brakelite showed me one of Walter Veith's videos and they showed cartoons of the towers being attacked by airplanes - prior to it happening. Why would that be? Somebody was either privy to inside information or was tapping into some evil power of looking into the future.

    John F. Kennedy gave a talk about the danger of secret societies approximately a week or so before he was assassinated. George H, George W, Kerry - and many others all were initiated into Skull & Bones. They have some connection to a notoriously demonic place in San Francisco - Bohemian Grove. The Presidents go there and it's 100% demonic. Disney grooms child stars who MULTITUDES of American children idolize, then they turn into wild drug-using, gender-bending, older stars intent on leading the nation astray. If you read Vigilant Citizen you'll see what the entire plan is.

    They've flooded America with illegal drugs that have killed off a lot of young Americans at the same time they've instituted laws preventing those with legitimate pain from gaining access to critical medications to control that pain - leading to widespread suicides - you'll rarely read about this in the mainstream news - they all blame the opioid epidemic on doctors and patients. What they don't print is the number of banks and politicians that are making money hand over fist from illegal drugs.

    They've militarized America's police - issuing them army equipment - WAR EQUIPMENT TO BATTLE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE LIKE THE ENEMY. They're having no knock SWAT raids where people are being killed, they have fusion centers where American citizens are held without a trial, without their family's knowledge, without being permitted access to a lawyer - WITHOUT CONSTITUTIONAL PROTECTIONS OR RIGHTS. There is an epidemic of police brutality and killing - I read where a young man's testicles were tasered until death and the judge exonerated the police. There is one story after another after another after another. Police stopped a young woman and claimed they smelled marijuana (it turned out none was found) the forced her to remove her pants and did a body cavity search on the street laying spread eagle WHERE EVERYONE/ ANYONE COULD SEE.

    THE GOVERNMENT BELIEVES IT NOW HOLDS THE RIGHT TO INSPECT YOUR BODY CAVITIES IF IT DEEMS THAT YOU HAVE COMMITTED A CRIME. IN TODAY'S OVERCRIMINALIZED WORLD, IT'S BEEN SAID THAT EVERY AMERICAN BREAKS AT LEAST TWO LAWS A DAY UNKNOWINGLY.

    SO I HOPE THAT NONE OF YOU NAYSAYERS ARE PRUDES BECAUSE YOU MAY BE FORCED INTO A BODY CAVITY SEARCH ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD WHERE EVERYONE AND THEIR BROTHER CAN SEE YOUR PRIVATE PARTS.

    They stopped a man and forced him to undergo multiple enemas searching for drugs. Not satisfied that they didn't find any they forced him to undergo a colonoscopy! Police - not medical personnel - are now allowed to draw your blood on the side of the road. There is an epidemic of police sexually molesting young women - and men - during traffic stops. One of the shooters of Columbine was sexually molested by a cop prior to the shooting.

    DO YOU GRASP THE IMPLICATIONS? OUR GOVERNMENT NOW BELIEVES THAT IT'S EMISSARIES - THE POLICE - NOW HOLD THE RIGHT TO INSPECT YOUR BODY CAVITIES IN SEARCH OF A CRIME - EVEN IF YOU DID NOT COMMIT ONE.

    OUR GOVERNMENT NOW BELIEVES THAT YOU MUST SURRENDER YOUR BLOOD IF SOME POWER-HUNGRY PSYCHOPATH DECIDES THAT HE WANTS TO FEEL POWERFUL THAT DAY.

    Police pulled over and beat the life out of my brother and robbed him. Police shot to death my neighbor's unarmed grandson. If I was a black mother I'd be scared to death. A black man was shot not far from our home, and police the next town over set a police dog on a man in custody until he died. A young 17 year old girl was pulled over for a minor traffic offense and a cop shot her with a taser and she fell and hit her head and became a vegetable - she died.

    DO YOU GRASP THE IMPLICATIONS? THE LAST I KNEW WHERE THOSE IN POWER BEAT THE CITIZENRY AND STOLE THEIR POSSESSIONS WAS THE STASI.

    STILL THINK YOU LIVE IN A FREE COUNTRY?

    Police are arresting grade school kids for making a paper gun and saying bang bang. I read where an 80 year old grandmother was sentenced to jail for 3 days for feeding stray cats. A grandmother walking through Disneyworld was arrested for having CBD oil in her purse for her arthritis. People are being fined $30,000 for overgrown grass. There are endless stories of the insanity that has over criminalized non-criminal actions. A police state.

    Americans had better wake up. This is not the 1950's - we are in a police state and if you haven't realized it yet you will. It's all part of the NWO being implemented where every one of your actions and life will be micromanaged and observed.
     
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  5. Soverign Grace

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    Yes Scott - but do you KNOW HIM? Talking to anyone for 15 minutes doesn't give you insight into someone's character. Anyone can make a good impression for 15 minutes - especially those trained by professionals - when you really get to know someone is when you know them up close - when you see how they treat others - especially those less fortunate who can't do them any favors.

    Please just consider the possibility that you could be wrong about him. I did and then I saw just how wrong I was. I urge you to look at this website:

    Excerpt:
    The Globalists are setting out to steal both of them from you with their grand vision of a New World Order, and will replace it with the closest description of what comes to mind when describing “Hell on Earth.” If you feel powerless and say that there is nothing you can do, they already have you entangled in their Spider Web of deceit. However, many of you will feel like not going down without a fight. Good for you, I say. I rather die standing on my feet myself, fighting for the human race, than begging on my knees for a quick death. We still have a chance. And we better take it. Because what’s about to unfold will make Adolf Hitler’s “Final Solution” pale in comparison.

    This and more will be covered in our documentary film “Vantage Point”

    MASS DISINFORMATION TRENDS:

    There is a desperate effort of the Globalists to end all national sovereignty, as outlined per the sustainable development structure in the Agenda 21. In order to keep the masses of people unaware and in a fog-like state, all major networks are heavily involved in massive disinformation campaigns. Excerpt from the Documentary Film “No One Gets Out Alive!”

    “The borders of misinterpretations are fluent. Other valuable methods to manipulate the information arising from the operation of our brain. Our brain uses constant recalls to so-called heuristics. The brain is permanently engaged to process the flood of information therefore it relies on abbreviated thought processes whenever possible. Heuristics are like little concept based programs that are stored in our brain, aiding us to make quick decisions and judgments. They run automatically and are triggered subconsciously when we hear certain terms over and over again. When emotionally moving pictures are shown to you, you are also no longer able to form an objective accurate assessment of the situation, without even noticing it. The amount of exposure to this sort of brain washing is very relevant. According to Nielsen numbers, Americans spend 34 hours a week watching TV. Being inundated by propaganda hidden in commercials, TV shows and the so-called “news,” 5 hours daily in front of the Telly, is providing practically any access to the mind and that will make it incredibly difficult to reach people and pull them out of the brain washing abyss they have subjected themselves to.”

    CONCLUSION

    Each one of these Trends by itself, constitute a serious threat to human life. ALL OF THEM TOGETHER ARE A CONVERTED EFFORT TO ENSURE THE EXTERMINATION OF HUMAN LIFE. The ruling class and advocates of a New World Order accomplishing one crucial task to the completion of their Eugenics Agenda by keeping people under the influx of these trends. Being inundated by cultural, biological, medical, technological and informational assault, the human mind and body will eventually succumb.

    WHILE THESE SOFT-KILL OPERATIONS ARE WELL ON THEIR WAY, YOU CAN EXPECT THE FINAL ASSAULT RIGHT AROUND THE YEAR OF 2030. I am afraid, all these assaults may not even constitute the main attack, as surely the main assault will come in form of some man-made “Extinction Level Event,” perhaps a deadly virus, spreading worldwide. Yet, the combination of all these ongoing soft-kill programs by itself, strongly compromise the ability to think critically. People portray increasing erratic behavior, because their normal brain function is under constant assault. Void of coherent thoughts and rational decision making, many people are living now in a self-induced trance, supported by the medical industry. Drug related deaths are at a record high. Prescription drugs against depression are given to children. So many people are wondering like sheep, with their heads buried in their “smart devices,” hooked to social media, unaware they are being lead to the slaughter house.

    It’s been said that we have certain God-given talents. One of them is the ability to create something out of nothing. My mentor George Addair used to describe it eloquently; “We can imagine a dream and hold it in the nonexistent future until it has caught up with the present.” It means we have the power to create our own future.We also have given the human endowment of “Free Will.”

    Agenda 21 - Truth Is Stranger Than Fiction - NoOneGetsOutAlive!
     
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    THE NEWS ATTACKS ON TRUMP IS ALL A SHOW TO GET CHRISTIANS TO THINK THAT TRUMP IS SO GOOD AND THAT'S WHY HE'S BEING ATTACKED. THEY EVEN GET US TO DEFEND OUR KING TRUMP. I BELIEVE THAT IT'S ALL DELUSION.

    7 Secrets Illuminati Members Wouldn’t Want You To Know
     
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    Who says I hate the man? I hate his words and actions, sure. I hope he repents and comes to Jesus and ask him to save him from his sins. And his daughter, son-in-law, and their children come to Jesus and ask him to save him from their sins.

    So your charge of me being anti-God, is false. Please apologize for your false assumption and your false accusation.

    I only have Trump's own words to go off of, just like all public political leaders (including Obama, Clinton, Bush, etc). If you are saying that only people who have actually met and talked with a public political leader should decide their trustworthiness, that will leave out many people who have voted. Are you saying that only people who have met and talked, and "know the man" should vote and can decide for the rest of the people who don't "know the man"?

    As for your charge of me being anti-God, "proven" by my "hatred for the choice of Him who actually raises up leaders", I believe that God puts people like Trump, Obama, Clinton(s), and Bush in positions of power to prove that man cannot rule man and that only He can, and should, rule man. So your charge that I hate who God chooses is false, since I believe those people are proving God's capabilities, and that is love. I have proven that your charge of me being anti-God (and antiChrist, right...) is false, and that you are a false accusser. Please apologize. I am proChrist (a Christian) and proGod.

    You are wrong in telling me what I believe and what I don't. That is extremely and unbelievably arrogant. Do you not know arrogance is wrong?

    I believe that it is God who has raised up this leader, and all leaders, to continually prove that man cannot rule man, and justifies God-the-Father and God-the-Son ruling forever. Enough time and chances have been given since Adam, and each of them has failed to live up to what God-the-Father and God-the-Son can, and will, do.

    So your charge that I "don't even believe that it is God who raised up this leader" is false, proven by my belief that it is God raised up this leader to prove that man cannot rule man. Another false charge. Please apologize for your false accussation against me.

    I have also proven to side with God, in that I believe only He can rule man, from my belief that God raises up leaders to prove that man cannot rule man. Please apologize for your false accussation against me that I hate someone more than I love God.

    Additionally, should you check your own words against yourself?

    My version of the speeding cop analogy holds, if you take into account he hasn't "not been chasing a speeder" as in before he entered politics (since I believe he said and did whatever he had to do to get elected, including talking of God to gain the Christian vote).

    Mike Pence, sure, I 'll give you that. And Betsy Devos. You failed to mention her, too. Your argument was that he has surrounded himself with more Christians than any other president. You failed by only listing one person.

    As for the "Christian" in the WH, I don't believe one who says they have never asked God for forgiveness for anything can be a Christian - that is a core principle upon which Jesus Christ died to save from eterntiy in Hell/Lake of Fire. Without that core, one is not a Christian.

    I have not spewed hatred, only facts to back up my arguments; I didn't mention hate one time. I am not a wolf in sheep's clothing, I am a sheep of Jesus'. Please apologize for calling me a wolf/satanist/antichrist. Your charge is false.

    Na, that nice topic is relative to this discussion. I believe it is only Jesus Christ that can be the "butcher", the cleaner, as evidenced by my quote of Revelation 19:11. You are looking to a man, Donald Trump, to do what Jesus shall do.

    I never said that Jesus will not judge and wage war against satan and the antichrists, not once. Proven that I quoted scripture in Revelation 19:11 that I believe He will. So your charge that I have "changed my mind" is false - I haven't changed my mind that a man should do what only Jesus can and should do, so your accussation is false.
     
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    Do you acknowledge that Freemasonry is satanic/antichrist? If so, do you really expect a satanic/antichrist organization to be truthful, even in who its membership entails?
     
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    Total desperation... Pitiful.
     
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    I'm used to it by now:) Moses was called a conspiracy theorist/ nut for building the ark, all the disciples were discounted - so I guess it's part of carrying the cross. When I first came to God my best friend thought I had jumped the track - and we lost touch. My husband just ignored me. A sister ignored me.

    I saw that a family who ran a church was corrupt before others did - and I was right. Not that I have anything special - I think I just tuned into God. And that family had a heavy share of sycophants, making going against them harder. I saw that the leadership in another church was corrupt and I was right. So I learned to listen for that still, small voice. Sometimes I think God gives us an extra measure of discernment if we're really open to the Spirit - and He'll make us uncomfortable, or uneasy - they're the feelings that I first had with the two corrupt churches. It's funny - I remember doubting myself as we sat in this church that from outward appearances seemed to have it all together. We were invited to get-togethers and the people were supportive, they taught from the bible. But I remember sitting in that church one Sunday - I couldn't put my finger on it - why I felt a sense of discomfort there. I remember looking around and I thought something was wrong with me - I felt a sense of not belonging or discomfort. Then some things happened and I saw what the leadership really was - they were prideful, arrogant, misled little men who said that "God placed them in their positions and others had to submit." Even with that I still doubted myself. I emailed 11 pastors and described the situation and all 11 pastors warned me that something was wrong. So I learned to trust those instincts.

    That's not to say that I could never be wrong. I constantly doubt myself, question why I think or feel something - it's not an easy road. But from all I've read - I do not think that Trump is legitimate. And I would never want to mislead anyone unless I was pretty sure. I think we're all being treated to a show. He's elite - he's hobnobbed with the elite and he's not concerned with anybody other than himself. We can gain insight into his character: he wasn't faithful to either of his wives. He says he's "never asked forgiveness from God." When I came to God - that was a big thing that happened to me - God showed me who I really was, not who I thought I was - and it was ugly. And I begged forgiveness. I don't know how others came to God but I do not think that we can be drawn to God and spiritually regenerated without Him showing us ourselves. Similar to how the slave trader who penned "Amazing Grace" was shown himself.
     
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    Aspen,
    You are too smart to think all this animosity just suddenly developed in the last year or two. As just one point that is big in the news: Kim has been building missiles for decades. He is shooting them off now only because he fears our present administration won't bow like previous ones if he doesn't step it up some.
     
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    Do you agree or disagree that Freemasonry is satanic/antichrist?
     
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    What pure unadulterated insanity and hatred. Some people's brains must be eaten full of holes like swiss cheese to gobble this stuff up.
     
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    I played this numerous times and he did not say he was a mason.
     
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    My grandfather was a Mason and he did not once ever worship satan.
     
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    He said " he,( not himself who he was talking about) might have been a mason....I wouldn't know.
     
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    I admire him too and can't understand what's not to like.
     
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    I looked up his YouTube...the only Keith Strongbone and the video is no longer available because his YouTube account has been terminated.
    The only place this was availavable was a Facebook account from a church who saved it to permalink. Further research about this person shows he lacks support and credibility to his claim. He is from the UK.
     
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    Freemasons are antichrist at best, satanic at worst, from what I've read. I base this off the following scripture: Matthew 5:34-37 "But I say to you, Do not take an oath at all, either by heaven, for it is the throne of God, or by the earth, for it is his footstool, or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the great King. And do not take an oath by your head, for you cannot make one hair white or black. Let what you say be simply ‘Yes’ or ‘No’; anything more than this comes from evil."

    Freemasons take an oath when they join, do they not? If so, when they make you take an oath to join, they purposely do so to oppose Jesus Christ, as satan does in all his endeavors in his kingdom.

    I can't say who or what your grandfather worshipped, or what his mindset was, but I can say the information about Freemasons is not good, in addition to the above scripture.

    Please check out the following information:
    "Albert Pike, Manly P. Hall, Albert Mackey, Authur Waite, 33rd degree Masons, the honorary degree bestowed from the executive bodies of Freemasonry.

    Their writing are packed full of pagan, occultic, Luciferian doctrine, Occultist extreme!

    These same authors and 33rd degree occultist have right to attend meetings and initiations in "Blue Lodges" of the lower 1-3 degrees, a Lodge that they passed through and are members of also." - Satanism and Freemasonry.

    -https://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Freemasonry/deception.htm
    -https://www.bibleprobe.com/freemasonry.htm
    -https://onepeterfive.com/bishop-schneider-freemasonry-instrument-satan-seeking-destroy-church/
    -https://www.veteranstoday.com/2019/03/30/freemasonry-and-satanism-the-history-of-albert-pike/
    -https://www.christianforums.com/threads/is-freemasonry-really-satanic.8044783/

    Let me try a blatant example: If I, as a Christian man, were to go and join The Church of Satan or the some other satanic group, and did not renounce my Christianity, but just wanted to interact/be friends with the members, would that be ok in your view? Wouldn't that make me an antichrist?
     
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