Christian Arrested For Praying On Public Sidewalk-Washington D.c.

[truthquest]

No Charges against Christian Praying outside Planned Parenthood

The U.S. Attorney failed to appear and file formal charges against Rev. Mahoney at the arraignment for his June 8 arrest in front of a Planned Parenthood in Washington, D.C., according to Christian Newswire. His attorneys say the lack of charges indicates that Mahoney was clearly praying on a public sidewalk and his actions did not violate the law. They allege Planned Parenthood is misleading pro-life activists by saying the sidewalk in front of their clinic is "private." Mahoney, director of the Christian Defense Coalition, said, "It was a disgrace and an outrage that the City of Washington, D.C. arrested me for praying on a public sidewalk in front of Planned Parenthood. It was clear that I did not violate the law for simply celebrating my free speech and First Amendment rights in the public square."

http://www.crosswalk.com/news/religiontoday/11634222/

 

[mikefaulkner]

Not to sound like the devils advocate here *pardon the phrase* but in the same token wouldn't it be just as bad if an Atheist was standing on a public side walk in front of a church proclaiming God didn't exist and he got arrested? Would the 1st Amendment still imply here? I would think so, but I just wanted confirmation.

 

[Disciple]

Thats rediculous I pray everywhere!

 

[Comm.Arnold]

Thats rediculous I pray everywhere!

Sounds like Religious discrimination he should sue.

 

[Buzzfruit]

Not to sound like the devils advocate here *pardon the phrase* but in the same token wouldn't it be just as bad if an Atheist was standing on a public side walk in front of a church proclaiming God didn't exist and he got arrested? Would the 1st Amendment still imply here? I would think so, but I just wanted confirmation.

Personally, it would not bother me one bit as long as he is not interfering and preventing me from hearing what is being said in Church.

 

[Prentis]

I agree that it is 'crazy' that a man would have such freedom.

But are we really surprised? So little, and yet we think it such a big deal... What I fear though, is not the surprise, but the attitude of many christians who react in the flesh and wish to defend 'their rights'. We are to be as lambs led to slaughter. Yes, there is a time to speak. But out of what nature, and what attitude?

We should rejoice when they persecute us, that we have been counted worthy of suffering with him. We must love them, and count it all joy! What better testimony than a man who loses no joy over his arrestation, and gladly testifies of Christ, and the stand he makes for him.

We get no persecution because we would not be ready for it, here in North America. God wouldn't be glorified.

 

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Not to sound like the devils advocate here *pardon the phrase* but in the same token wouldn't it be just as bad if an Atheist was standing on a public side walk in front of a church proclaiming God didn't exist and he got arrested? Would the 1st Amendment still imply here? I would think so, but I just wanted confirmation.

The point of the story isn't a hypothetical. It REALLY happened! A man DID get arrested for praying in public! Quote a similar REAL story about an atheist who's rights were violated and we can discuss it.

My point is that such a thing hasn't happened, and probably won't happen. Atheist rights are respected in this country. Christians aren't and that's why there's a discussion here.

As for your reference to the constitution, its commendable albeit historical in nature only. There has been no constitutional republic in the uS since 10/26/01. Ten years on, the public is just beginning to detect the governmental stench. They still don't understand that its the decomposition of the old republic they smell. Even the most ardent idealistic and illiterate flag waving citizen is beginning to 'get it'. Unfortunately it has taken far too long for the meaning of the thing to sink in.

"America has already largely become a post-constitutional country."
- Mark R. Levin Ameritopia: The Unmaking of America

You raise an interesting point, Lex, but unfortunately the 1st amendment no longer applies - to anyone.

Pity. It was nice while it lasted.

 

[Warrior]

Solid proof of Persecution in the end days. We don't live on proof, we live on faith, even though There is proof of the end days EVERYWHERE IN THE WORLD. Jesus I am ready to leave this world this second..

 

[veteran]

As for your reference to the constitution, its commendable albeit historical in nature only. There has been no constitutional republic in the uS since 10/26/01. Ten years on, the public is just beginning to detect the governmental stench. They still don't understand that its the decomposition of the old republic they smell. Even the most ardent idealistic and illiterate flag waving citizen is beginning to 'get it'. Unfortunately it has taken far too long for the meaning of the thing to sink in.

"America has already largely become a post-constitutional country."
- Mark R. Levin Ameritopia: The Unmaking of America

You raise an interesting point, Lex, but unfortunately the 1st amendment no longer applies - to anyone.

Pity. It was nice while it lasted.

It started a lot longer ago than just 10/26/01.

1862, Lincoln started the income tax to pay for war debt which continued after the war was over; toe's of the greedy get in the door.

1865 ended the concept of state's rights per the Constitution, and also the Constitutional right of a state to secede.

1913 set the final stage for monetary collapse with the creation of the Federal Reserve PRIVATE bank, and ratification for the income tax, and the IRS to do their bidding.

1930's through FDR, he made the income tax truly progressive, starting the road of pitting the rich against the poor.

Then the rich started their tax-exempt Foundations to hide their money and keep it in their control, while through their tax-exempt foundations influencing education, politics, history, sciences, real estate, newspapers, supporting Communism and Socialism, subversiveness, etc. (source Rene Wormser's Foundations: Their Power And Influence).

1970's, the Federal Reserve completely removed the U.S. dollar from any and all gold backing it.


Thank God that the majority of the American people are not, and were never a part of those works of the devil.

 

[aspen]

Actually, the first peacetime US federal income tax was imposed in 1894.

 

[brightmorningstar]

... but in the same token wouldn't it be just as bad if an Atheist was standing on a public side walk in front of a church proclaiming God didn't exist and he got arrested?

Correct, but would he get arrested?

 

[aspen]

human justice is a crap-shoot, at best. Thankfully, God is the only true judge

 

[brightmorningstar]

If the man did get imprisoned for it what if thousands of Christians prayed in public? Have they got enough prison places? I mean why shouldnt they put me in prison for it seeing as I have paid years of taxes which has contributed to maintaining and building prisons, I should be entitled to use the facilities. .. apart from it being against their own human rights of course (article 18 of the UN Declaration of Human Rights)

 

[veteran]

I agree that it is 'crazy' that a man would have such freedom.

But are we really surprised? So little, and yet we think it such a big deal... What I fear though, is not the surprise, but the attitude of many christians who react in the flesh and wish to defend 'their rights'. We are to be as lambs led to slaughter. Yes, there is a time to speak. But out of what nature, and what attitude?

It is... a big deal. Because it's a violation of the 1st Ammendment of the Constitution of The United States of America. Surely you don't think those who died for us to have that right means they died for nothing? Where's your respect?

What you're pushing is pascifists dogma while trying to use God's Word to support it.

Apostle Paul sure didn't see any reason to become a Pascifist when the Jews wanted to bring him to Jerusalem for trial so they could kill him. He petitioned to higher authority in Rome, which wound up serving as his protection by God's Hand. Not only that, but Paul was provided his own house to live in and preach The Gospel, with others free to come and go in hearing that Gospel. And that took place while Rome was still... pagan!

As Christians we are NOT... to just lay down and let Christ's enemies trample all over us like second-class citizens. Christ said He gave us all power over the enemy. That's why your Pascifist interpretation doesn't really come from what Christ taught, but what Pascifists wolves in the Church have been wrongly teaching. Need I bring up Luke 22 again where Jesus told His disciples that didn't have a sword to go buy one?

 

[aspen]

It is... a big deal. Because it's a violation of the 1st Ammendment of the Constitution of The United States of America. Surely you don't think those who died for us to have that right means they died for nothing? Where's your respect?

What you're pushing is pascifists dogma while trying to use God's Word to support it.

Apostle Paul sure didn't see any reason to become a Pascifist when the Jews wanted to bring him to Jerusalem for trial so they could kill him. He petitioned to higher authority in Rome, which wound up serving as his protection by God's Hand. Not only that, but Paul was provided his own house to live in and preach The Gospel, with others free to come and go in hearing that Gospel. And that took place while Rome was still... pagan!

As Christians we are NOT... to just lay down and let Christ's enemies trample all over us like second-class citizens. Christ said He gave us all power over the enemy. That's why your Pascifist interpretation doesn't really come from what Christ taught, but what Pascifists wolves in the Church have been wrongly teaching. Need I bring up Luke 22 again where Jesus told His disciples that didn't have a sword to go buy one?

You mean like the martyrs of the Early Church?

 

[brightmorningstar]

As Christians we are NOT... to just lay down and let Christ's enemies trample all over us like second-class citizens. Christ said He gave us all power over the enemy

This is true, and the examples in the NT are that we keep preaching the Kingdom even when they trample us. What happens is secular society today gives everyone freedom of speach and then supresses some of it in the supposed interest of freedom of speech. What happens is liberalism in Christianity says dont speak out so that whoever has ears can hear just because some others get upset and provoked.

 

[veteran]

You mean like the martyrs of the Early Church?

Yep! They were part of it, since they RISKED their lives to spread The Gospel of Jesus Christ. And that's what caused the peoples to become stirred up and get rid of the wicked rulers over them. The later reign of King James of England making a decree to get a Bible translation out to the English speaking peoples was one of the results of their persecutions. And later ones died to preserve the people to have that right to God's Word.

But the Communist-Socialists that you follow, is against the people having right to God's Holy Writ for themselves, which even those like Catholic priest Malachi Martin exposed with Marxist Jesuits in his book, The Jesuits.

 

[aspen]

Yep! They were part of it, since they RISKED their lives to spread The Gospel of Jesus Christ. And that's what caused the peoples to become stirred up and get rid of the wicked rulers over them. The later reign of King James of England making a decree to get a Bible translation out to the English speaking peoples was one of the results of their persecutions. And later ones died to preserve the people to have that right to God's Word.

But the Communist-Socialists that you follow, is against the people having right to God's Holy Writ for themselves, which even those like Catholic priest Malachi Martin exposed with Marxist Jesuits in his book, The Jesuits.

oh brother....
Ah yes, brother Malachi.....the Catholic Churches' version of the National Enquirer...

 

[brightmorningstar]

aspen2,

oh brother....
Ah yes, brother Malachi.....the Catholic Churches' version of the National Enquirer...

ugh?
You acknowldge the NT and early Christians died because the spread the gospel?

 

[aspen]

aspen2,
ugh?
You acknowldge the NT and early Christians died because the spread the gospel?

What is your point?