veteran said:
Some are preaching that some coming flesh-born Islamic caliphate is going to be the final Antichrist of The Bible.
That idea is just as much baloney as those who mis-assign the final Antichrist as being the pope, or some U.S. President, or any other flesh born man of today.
All those ideas are by 'design'. They're designed to mislead you away from the prophetic parameters God's Word gives about the final Antichrist that's coming to Jerusalem on earth, which Orthodox Judaism will accept as Messiah.
Orthodox Jews, are not... going to accept an Islamic caliphate as The Messiah of God's Word. It's a crazy idea, since Islamic nations are involved in attacking Israel at the end of this world per Ezek.38 & 39. One of the MAJOR prophetic parameters required to fulfill the prophecy about the final Antichrist is Judah accepting him as a Jewish priest-king to sit in their future temple in Jerusalem, not an Islamic king, for they would easily recognize the difference.
So WHY are those doctrines of men about an Islamic caliphate making the rounds today? It's because of what's getting ready to occur in Jerusalem with the coming Antichrist-false messiah which is being specifically prepared for unbelieving Jews, and all the deceived world.
Actually, Veteran, there is nothing specific in Scripture that says that the Jews have to
accept the AntiChrist as their God. It is more necessary that a peace be accepted by the
Jews and Palestinians that will allow a rebuilding of the temple, and allow the sacrifices
to begin again, which is an apostasy in itself becaue Yeshua has already come to be the
final, and only fully redeeming Sacrifice that is needed. I cannot think why any thinking
Christian wants the temple rebuilt, when it is an insult to Yeshua, but I do understand the
Jews wanting one.
However, the AntiChrist will deceive darn near everyone, and by deceit he can finagle
agreement to the original peace through, I think, the UN. Once the AntiChrist shows his
true colors, the Messianic Jews might make some headway in converting the
Orthodox Jews, as well as the culturally bound agnostics in Israel. Again, it is more
important that a peace be declared, presumably after the Ezekial 38 war, when everyone
will really want a respite from war. There is a real need for a temple to be built,
somewhere in Israel, so that the AntiChrist can profane it.
As for the Islamics not believing the AntiChrist is their Mahdi, I am positive that the
Adversary is more than capable of getting them to cooperate...since most of them are
inadvertantly following the AntiChrist now. Just pursuit of Sharia Law, and a supposed
future worldwide Caliphate, however spurious, could get them radically involved, not to
mention that the enemy of their enemy is their friend. The opportunity for them to kill
Christians, Messianics, and Jews as time progresses could easily get them onboard.
And of course, all those miracles will persuade them a little later on.
In addition, as long as the Adversary's name is in Arabic, or Farsi, I'm positive they
would be ready to take that kind of a mark, particularly when Allah's name can be thought
by some as a corruption of Eloah, the singular for Elohim.
The AntiChrist need only convince a few mullahs, provide a suitable Mahdi, and all will be
well. Also, if the Mahdi gets to be the False Prophet, and does all the wonderworking signs,
the Muslims would be delighted.
Another point that could be considered is that there is a 3rd city built on 7 hills...Istanbuhl,
and conveniently, a Greek Orthodox Christian, or a Turkish/Russian Jew
in Turkey or Syria, or from the countries just north of them, could wind up being the
charming peacemaker that brings the world together.
Istanbuhl is also a greater port of entry to the Middle East than most people will
consider, and has long since 'lived deliciously'. Istanbuhl is also known as Constantinopolis,
and was the eastern seat of the Roman Emperors. The Ottoman empire ran out of there for
hundreds of years, and could easily do so again. There is no real reason for the Islamic
Caliphate not to rise again, at least, temporarily...I just don't see any Muslim being peaceful
and charming enough to be the AntiChrist as well, particularly after the Ezekial 38 war (the one
that's shaping up now so very nicely around Israel), because the neighbors surrounding Israel
(minus Jordan) are going to be cut by about 85% in that war.
But the Ezekial 38 war that's so beautifully pending right now will also nearly wipe out 85%
of the Palistinians as well, and that Mosque on Temple Mount just might not survive the
war, so that the temple could be built as part of a peace deal, particularly since that war is
YHVH's announcement to the world that He's baaack, and the Jews are going to be very
triumphant.
Oddly, I never hear anyone discuss that the AntiChrist might come out of China or
Russia, or the southern eastern nations, yet there are many a falsely professing
Christian/Messianic, Jew, and agnostic/athiest that could have the winning personality as
well as no inconvenient beliefs holding him back. After all, the AntiChrist consolidates
his reign over much of the earth in the first 3 1/2 years of the last heptad remaining in
Daniel's prophecy, and it might take him a few additional years to get into place to be in
power to settle the peace.
On the other hand, the AntiChrist can come from anywhere, and be of any religion, or none,
since he doesn't need to mean a word he says to anyone. I would be looking at an American
President if there were one clever enough, but perhaps with inspiration from the Adversary the
current one could be made to rise to the occasion. He lies beautifully already, and is well
liked by far too many people, and although born a Muslim, he claims to be a Christian of some
sort now.
Still, until the Muslim nations get together enough to attack Israel properly to allow for some
depopulation in the Middle East for the remaining 6 million Jews to move to Israel, I don't see
anything but more pieces of the puzzle being pushed into to place as YHVH allows.
All of the above would blend very nicely with a financial crash before 2016, when there will be
another ex-president hanging around making trouble, but I may be stretching things a bit.
On the other hand, I can see that ex-president as Secretary General of the UN.
There is also a rapidly expanding energy problem that will bring many nations to 'seek a
prey' in Israel, now that they have found so much oil and natural gas in their tiny bit of
land. If Peak Cheap Oil is as over as it is thought to be, everybody is going to want a
possible claim to all that black gold. All those people in the east are very oil
hungry, and we do need a 200 milliion army to fight for some eastern king. I'm sure
China would oblige, or India, or all the smaller Asian countries could join together.
As for the beast's ten horns, I am of the opinion that they are likely to be attached to the
CFR's/UN's ten region world system...most likely as 10 new Central Banks that come
about in the next few years when the worldwide Financial System is allowed to crash, and
the world gets reorganized into those ten financial regions. (The treaty between Canada,
America and Mexico known as NAFTA - United North America, is region number one).
After all, Kings and Presidents don't lend support quite so easily to up and coming
political stars, but Banksters always do. I also don't see too much difficulty for Eastern
Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East making common cause under their Central
Banks from their then-to-be war torn area, which would conveniently be the three horns
that are conquered by the rising AntiChrist.
Again, this will only happen if he manages to make a peace with Israel and the surrounding
countries for long enough for the miracle working side show to begin to abound in his
supporters. We are not looking in my scenario for political support, but commercial support
for the AntiChrist, although I daresay the UN will be keeping the peace in a open Jerusalem
with powder blue helmeted forces.
For those wondering what my beliefs are, being a newbie, I am a Messianic Gentile, not having
been brought up in any church, temple or synagogue; working sola scriptura for the last 42 years
with the Ruach haKodesh, and several Christian friends of varying denominations; I use the KJV for
beauty and accuracy, not trusting newer translations, and am quite used to working around the
mistakes in that text. I use the Hebrew Names out of the respect for the Personages they describe,
but also use Christ, Jesus, and the Lord readily. I am a pre-wrath resurrectionalist fully
expecting a very uncomfortable if not deadly tribulation period, but expect the Last
Trump to sound just before the vials get poured out. If I get that far, I don't want to be
there to watch.
The word rapture to me is way too misleading, bringing to mind Left Behind books, not
to mention that the dead rise before any living Believers do, which is not your average
catching away. Resurrectionalist, although a bit long for those unaccustomed to it, is accurate.
On the other hand, just to add spice to the discussion from another thread, I do think that
the spirits of the elect are in a seperate holding area as shown in Reveltion when the
dead from the Tribulation are under the glass sea in front of the Throne of YHVH. I also
believe that Yeshua preached to all the spirits in the place called Paradise which is not in
heaven, is also outside of time, but is not where the wicked are. We do need to allow
some Judaic background to influence our thinking since our God is Jewish.
I also think that the wicked dead, including all the pre-Noahide people, demons and all,
received a triumphant visit from Yeshua letting them know that He had succeeded, which
being God, He would. The place called hell/sheol/gehenna is probably merely a seperate
dimension, presuming that Yeshua was outside of time while he was no longer in a human
body, but not as yet ascended to Heaven.
I also believe that Yeshua preached to both Jew and Gentile in the non-wicked portion of
hell/sheol/gehenna, and added greatly to the myriads that we see in Revelation. He could
also have preached to all the dead, from Adam to now, and even forward. He
is God, after all.
Just my 2 cents.
Q
