Court Cases, and Things that Don't inherit the Kingdom of God. (With Questions)

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Link Directive - All considerable information for the benefit of skeptics, believers, or unbelievers. Keep growing and maturing, look at the scriptures and seek truth, and may the spirit guide.

Please share what you believe by and through what you believe God would do, will he save those people or will he exclude them - if they are actively having faith in the Lord Yeshua, who died, buried and raised again? - If they are not in active faith nor do they have faith in the DBR - it seems faithless people go outside the kingdom.​


Why are faithless people claimed to be outside of the gates of the city in heaven?

1 Corinthians 6​

THIS IS NOT THE DEBATE FORUM PLEASE REFRAIN FROM DEBATING

New Living Translation​

Avoiding Lawsuits with Christians​

6 When one of you has a dispute with another believer, how dare you file a lawsuit and ask a secular court to decide the matter instead of taking it to other believers[a]! 2 Don’t you realize that someday we believers will judge the world? And since you are going to judge the world, can’t you decide even these little things among yourselves? 3 Don’t you realize that we will judge angels? So you should surely be able to resolve ordinary disputes in this life. 4 If you have legal disputes about such matters, why go to outside judges who are not respected by the church? 5 I am saying this to shame you. Isn’t there anyone in all the church who is wise enough to decide these issues? 6 But instead, one believer[b] sues another—right in front of unbelievers!
7 Even to have such lawsuits with one another is a defeat for you. Why not just accept the injustice and leave it at that? Why not let yourselves be cheated? 8 Instead, you yourselves are the ones who do wrong and cheat even your fellow believers.[c]
9 Don’t you realize that those who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Don’t fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, or who worship idols, or commit adultery, or are male prostitutes, or practice homosexuality, 10 or are thieves, or greedy people, or drunkards, or are abusive, or cheat people—none of these will inherit the Kingdom of God. 11 Some of you were once like that. But you were cleansed; you were made holy; you were made right with God by calling on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.​

Avoiding Sexual Sin​

12 You say, “I am allowed to do anything”—but not everything is good for you. And even though “I am allowed to do anything,” I must not become a slave to anything. 13 You say, “Food was made for the stomach, and the stomach for food.” (This is true, though someday God will do away with both of them.) But you can’t say that our bodies were made for sexual immorality. They were made for the Lord, and the Lord cares about our bodies. 14 And God will raise us from the dead by his power, just as he raised our Lord from the dead.
15 Don’t you realize that your bodies are actually parts of Christ? Should a man take his body, which is part of Christ, and join it to a prostitute? Never! 16 And don’t you realize that if a man joins himself to a prostitute, he becomes one body with her? For the Scriptures say, “The two are united into one.”[d] 17 But the person who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with him.
18 Run from sexual sin! No other sin so clearly affects the body as this one does. For sexual immorality is a sin against your own body. 19 Don’t you realize that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit, who lives in you and was given to you by God? You do not belong to yourself, 20 for God bought you with a high price. So you must honor God with your body.







Sexual sin leads to damage to your own body.
Sexual sin that is practiced will not inherit the Kingdom of God.
None of these traits either or who worship idols, or commit adultery, or are male prostitutes, or practice homosexuality, 10 or are thieves, or greedy people, or drunkards, or are abusive, or cheat people—none of these


None of the above will ever inherit the Kingdom of God.
Paul talks about the struggle of the flesh and the spirit.

Can the person who does these listed things, still be saved if they believe in the death, burial, and resurrection?

Do they deserve to be treated like dirt, spit on, and hit, like Jesus Christ?

Can a Christian still be gay, and a Christian?
Can a Christian love a gay person?

If they love God and love others - when they lean into the spirit of christ with-in them, can they sin if it is Jesus coming through them?

The flesh eventually dies, and people are judged and are raised again either of resurrection of condemnation, or resurrection of life.

Faithless people reside: Why are faithless people claimed to be outside of the gates of the city in heaven?
 
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Galatians 5
19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness,
20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies,
21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
 

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Galatians 5
19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness,
20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies,
21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

What does it mean to practice, Jack?

Just looking for people and what they may want to share over all, be it simply something that they are lead to share, or scripture itself doesn't matter to me. Just desire to know what people think on these things because it can be diverse.

NOT LOOKING FOR FIGHTS, that is for sure. - This is not the Debate forum (Generalized sentence not related to Jack)
 

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What does it mean to practice, Jack?

Just looking for people and what they may want to share over all, be it simply something that they are lead to share, or scripture itself doesn't matter to me. Just desire to know what people think on these things because it can be diverse.

NOT LOOKING FOR FIGHTS, that is for sure. - This is not the Debate forum (Generalized sentence not related to Jack)
"those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God" SHATTERS Universalism!
 

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Okay Jack. If your curious of a study there.


It is a dangerous doctrine, and good reason too.

This subject here though is more along the lines of what does one think about in what Pual shared and is it possible for any of those people in the catagories able to sabed even if the have failures in their flesh which ultimanetly dies.
 

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Okay Jack. If your curious of a study there.


It is a dangerous doctrine, and good reason too.

This subject here though is more along the lines of what does one think about in what Pual shared and is it possible for any of those people in the catagories able to sabed even if the have failures in their flesh which ultimanetly dies.
What's the difference in YOUR doctrine?
 

MatthewG

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@Jack,

I asked several question at the end,

Can the person who does these listed things, still be saved if they believe in the death, burial, and resurrection?

Do they deserve to be treated like dirt, spit on, and hit, like Jesus Christ?

Can a Christian still be gay, and a Christian?
Can a Christian love a gay person?

If they love God and love others - when they lean into the spirit of christ with-in them, can they sin if it is Jesus coming through them?

The flesh eventually dies, and people are judged and are raised again either of resurrection of condemnation, or resurrection of life.

Faithless people reside: Why are faithless people claimed to be outside of the gates of the city in heaven?

Would you like to answer any of them?
 

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@Jack,

I asked several question at the end,

Can the person who does these listed things, still be saved if they believe in the death, burial, and resurrection?
If you don't believe the Scriptures why would you believe me?
Do they deserve to be treated like dirt, spit on, and hit, like Jesus Christ?
Who did that???
Can a Christian still be gay, and a Christian?
A person could be gay and a new Christian, but not if he later rejects perfectly clear Scripture.

1 Corinthians 6
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites,
10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.
Can a Christian love a gay person?
Of course
If they love God and love others - when they lean into the spirit of christ with-in them, can they sin if it is Jesus coming through them?

The flesh eventually dies, and people are judged and are raised again either of resurrection of condemnation, or resurrection of life.

Faithless people reside: Why are faithless people claimed to be outside of the gates of the city in heaven?

Would you like to answer any of them?
If you are defending homosexuals you are leading them to Hell fire! Is that 'love'?

Romans 1
26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature.
27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.
 

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Thank you for your answers, @Jack.

I am not defending anyone. There are somethings I just leave in God's hands to deal with. Some people choose to do things in their own hands, and own strength, and that is fine too.

God is good, and God is love, and in God there is no darkness or shifting shadow. :)

1 Corinthians 13:

4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.

5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.
6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.

7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
 

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Thank you for your answers, @Jack.

I am not defending anyone. There are somethings I just leave in God's hands to deal with. Some people choose to do things in their own hands, and own strength, and that is fine too.

God is good, and God is love, and in God there is no darkness or shifting shadow. :)
And God is just. Those who rebel against Him pay dearly in Hell fire.
 

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And God is just. Those who rebel against Him pay dearly in Hell fire.
Yes, God is just, and will not be mocked.

Galatians 6:7 Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. 8 The one who sows to please his flesh, from the flesh will reap destruction; but the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life.
 

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Yes, God is just, and will not be mocked.

Galatians 6:7 Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. 8 The one who sows to please his flesh, from the flesh will reap destruction; but the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life.
Since when did you believe in the eternal Hell fire?
 

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Im serious. I dont think i have ever read in the bible “eternal hell fire” that sounds like a mixing of two places into one, Jack. Where do you get that idea from?
 

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Im serious. I dont think i have ever read in the bible “eternal hell fire” that sounds like a mixing of two places into one, Jack. Where do you get that idea from?
You're playing Satanic word games.
 

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Remember Jack.

Galatians 6:7 Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. 8 The one who sows to please his flesh, from the flesh will reap destruction; but the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life.

All the best.
 

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Remember Jack.

Galatians 6:7 Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. 8 The one who sows to please his flesh, from the flesh will reap destruction; but the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life.

All the best.
Remember Matthew what Jesus said:

Mt 25

41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
Rev 20
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
 

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Yes i know those verses, jack you quote them all the time. Ive read them before we ever met.

Is that where you get the term “eternal hell fire”?