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Discussion in 'Eschatology & Prophecy Forum' started by Davy, Jun 23, 2020.

  1. n2thelight

    n2thelight Well-Known Member

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    So you believe they,seals trumps and vials happen right after one another ?That's not the case 555,666 and 777 happen around the same time 555 666 and then 777
     
  2. Timtofly

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    Quote the verse again, because it says, "even the elect." It did not say, "only the elect."
     
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    Have you seen 3 vials poured out, or heard 3 Trumpets? Should we skip over the 7 Thunders? They will happen and we do not know what they do, yet. You did not even number them, yet John did record what they do. They happen before the 7th Trumpet. The 7th Trumpet will blow for the 8 days of the Second Coming week of celebration.

    The seals are the harvest of the church. The Trumpets are the harvest of the sheep and goats. The Thunders are for the wheat and tares. The vials are for Satan and those with 666 on their foreheads. No, they do not happen at the same time. The vials do not even happen until the end of a 3.5 year period, where Satan is in total control. The Nations had control of the first 2000 years after Adam, yet they keep working even today and will be judged last. The house of Jacob only had 1400 years from Moses to Christ, yet the tribes are still scattered all over the world. The church has had the last 2000 years, and will leave first. Because they go out in order from the last to the first.
     
  4. Davy

    Davy Well-Known Member

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    Waste of time arguing over this, you need to believe what is written. And the fact that Jesus gathers His Church on the last day of this present world is direct evidence of who He promised would reign with Him for the 1,000 years as priests and kings (Rev.5:9-10).
     
  5. Davy

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    You are letting the 'way' the Seals, Trumpets, and Vials are laid out in writing using 'numbers' in Revelation to confuse the real order of the events. The 6th Seal event when the wicked see Christ and mourn because of His wrath is also a 7th Trumpet and 7th Vial event. The first part of the 6th Seal about the star falling to earth and 'untimely figs' idea, which I explained, is about the tribulation timing, which also parallels the events of the 6th Trumpet (2nd Woe) and 6th Vial, the real meaning of 666.
     
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    Your theory makes for real confusion.
    Shuffling Revelation constitutes an adding to and a taking away; not a good idea!
     
  7. n2thelight

    n2thelight Well-Known Member

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    Revelation is not written in order
     
  8. Keraz

    Keraz Well-Known Member

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    The basic layout is in order.
    The Seals, Trumpets, then the Bowls, culminate in Jesus Return at the Seventh Bowl. Then His 1000 year reign and after that; Eternity.

    There are many details in parenthesis and for further info. But the sequence is clear and is inviolate.
     
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    This implies that John purposely wrote to confuse, and only you know the right order.

    Perhaps a better wording of your intent is neccessary?

    Why would John not write it in the proper order?
     
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    I well know many are confused about the order of the events in the Seals, Trumpets, and Vials, especially the Pre-tribulationalists who believe Jesus comes to gather the Church prior to the tribulation.
     
  11. Keraz

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    I am NOT pre-trib, or any 'rapture to heaven', that will never happen. We are gathered to the holy Land.

    Scrambling the Seals, Trumpets and Bowls, just leads to confusion. They are sequential.
    The first five Seals are already open, since Jesus did it at His Ascension.
     
  12. n2thelight

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    Revelation 1:10 "I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,"

    This verse is the key to understanding the book of Revelation. Without a clear and full understanding of it, the entire book will just not make sense. The sequence of the order will seem strange.

    "I"; this is John speaking and telling us where he was. "I was in the Spirit", not in his flesh body; "on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet". John is taken forward in time, "in the Spirit", to the day of the Lord. The "Day of the Lord" is not referring to Sunday or Saturday. This is the same "Day of the Lord" Paul speaks about in I Thessalonians 5:2, as "coming as a thief in the night". Later in II Thessalonians 2:2-3 Paul makes it clear that at the "Day of the Lord" Christ's return will not happen until "after there will be a great falling away first; and "that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition". Satan must be revealed in his role as the Antichrist first, before that seventh trumpet can sound, the last trumpet.

    The time, or day, John was taken to was beyond our time frame, however we are living in the generation that will see it come to pass, and live through what John saw and lived, while in the Spirit. There is only one day that is called "The Day of the Lord" in all the Scriptures.

    Isaiah 2:12 "For the day of the Lord of hosts shall be upon every one that is proud and lofty, and upon every one that is lifted up; and he shall be brought low."

    This is the day that our Lord returns. This is the day "God's cup of wrath" is poured out upon His enemies. So John was taken in the Spirit to the last day of this flesh period, before the start of the Millennium. If you are still in your flesh body, that day hasn't happened yet, and it is still future to us.

    Every verse that you read in Revelation from this verse to the end of chapter twenty two, will be viewed from the Lord's day, either looking backwards or forwards a short period of time. If you don't come to that point of time in your understanding with John, the rest of what he is saying just will not make sense.

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  13. n2thelight

    n2thelight Well-Known Member

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    I'm with on the no trib,as I also know that we gather to Christ in Israel.
    Look at the below verse,no,read the below verse

    Revelation 6:1 "And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see."

    The verse did not say, seal one ,it says ONE of the seals

    555 happens at the same time
    666 happens at the same time
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    777 happens at the same time

    satan and his angels are revealed at 666
    Christ returns at 777 when we gather to Him,ie,His one and only 2nd coming
     
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    They are not all sequential. They are in sets. The order of the seal events is one set, the order of the trumpets is another set, and the order of the vials is another set. All 3 sets are parallels of just 7 main Signs that Jesus gave for the end in His Olivet discourse. The last Sign He gave was that of His return and gathering of His Church and beginning His literal earthly reign over the wicked.

    If you try to make the events as happening in the exact order they are written, then you have Jesus' 2nd coming to destroy the wicked by the end of Revelation 6. That because the 6th Seal shows the wicked sees His coming, and the time of His wrath. The wicked never see Jesus until the day of His 2nd coming in the clouds, and then it is written that even those who pierced Him will see Him (Rev.1). If you have that happening right then at Rev.6, then there would be no room for the events of the 7th trumpet and 7th vial which also portray the time of His coming and His wrath.
     
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    Many prophesies tell us that the Lord will come in fire, in His vengeance and wrath. His Day to destroy His enemies.
    But that Day is not and cannot be the glorious Return. The wrath of God is over by then. Revelation 15:1

    The people who call out: hide us from the Lord, for His Day of wrath has come.... do not say they see the Lord. Other scriptures confirm that the Lord will not be seen on that Day. Psalms 18:11, Habakkuk 3:4, Amos 1 and Psalms 11:4-6 make it quite clear the He SENDS His punishment.
    What will cause the worldwide disaster as described, is told to us in Isaiah 30:26a, Malachi 4:1, Psalms 50:1-3, 2 Peter 3:7
     
  16. Davy

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    All the OT prophets agree that God's day of wrath is on the "day of the Lord". So what Apostles Paul and Peter taught about the "day of the Lord" events makes sense and agrees with the OT prophets...

    1 Thess 5:2-10
    2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.


    3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.


    4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

    5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

    6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.

    7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.

    8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.

    9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,


    10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.
    KJV

    Paul got that from the OT prophets about the "day of the Lord". That "sudden destruction" event came from God through His OT prophets also.



    2 Peter 3:10-12
    10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.


    11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

    12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
    KJV


    It is impossible... for Satan's host to still be in power when that above event Peter said happens on the "day of the Lord".

    You simply need to heed the Scripture as written, instead of adding to it, which is what you're doing.
     
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    There are many 'Days of the Lord', when He has and will again take action on the earth.
    The next one will be His great and terrible Day of wrath, by fire; that will reset our civilization to a similar degree as what happened in Noah's time. 2 Peter 3:1-7 prophesies it.
    Right, YOU do!
     
  18. Davy

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    NO, there is only ONE "day of the Lord" timing. All references to it are to the final day of this present world, even the one in mentioned in Jeremiah 46:10 which many refuse to see as only as a blueprint for the slaughter upon the nations in Jer.46. The historical event is only a type for the final day of this world. The final day is when God's cup of wrath of the 7th Vial is poured out into the 'air', ending this present world earth age.
     
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    That you are wrong, is proved by Isaiah 61, where Jesus read verse 1 and 2a. He stopped before: and a Day of the vengeance of our God.
    Then Isaiah 61:3-11 tells about how the Lords faithful people will be blessed in the holy Land.
    Jeremiah 46:10 refers to the Sixth Seal. His sacrifice by the river Euphrates is Iran, Jeremiah 49:34-37, when they try to fire a nuke missile at Israel.
     
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    The last part of Isaiah 61:2 which Jesus closed the Book of Isaiah and did not read, is about His the last day of this world when His 2nd coming will happen. The previous Isaiah 61:1-2 parts He did read represented His 1st advent to die on the cross and offer Salvation through His Blood shed on the cross. There is ONLY one more advent of Christ written of in all of God's Word, and it is on the "day of the Lord" as per the Old Testament prophets, especially in Zechariah 14.

    What it sounds like you're doing, is to intentionally deceive folks who believe your twists of Bible Scripture. Even your Isaiah 61 explanation wrongly places God's day of vengeance to a separate time that chapter is not talking about.

    There will be NO salvation in Jerusalem PRIOR to Christ's 2nd coming to gather His Church, period! As a matter of fact, Jesus commanded His servants in the countries to not enter into Jerusalem when Satan's host camp around it and take Jerusalem for their false worship at the end of this world (Luke 21:20-21). And that false worship period in Jerusalem does not end until Jesus comes!

    Luke 21:20-22
    20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
    21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
    22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
    KJV

    Luke 21:25-28
    25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
    26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
    27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
    28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
    KJV
     
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