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I know that I do desire to keep the sabbath as it exists on Saturday and do not judge others on the issue but believe what Paul said about it that every man should be fully convinced in his own mind whatever point of view he has on it.

I believe that the whole issue of judging as concerning a sabbath day can be applied both ways. Some who actually observe the sabbath are judged as being "too legalistic" in their point of view; and I would say to this that Colossians 2:16 applies to this as well as the other.

Every day of the week is the Sabbath if you are in Christ. Man can observe any of these days if he wishes.

But to judge another on a certain day in not allowed! We must acknowledge that Christ is the Sabbath in the New Covenant.

Romans 14:5-12
 

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Every day of the week is the Sabbath if you are in Christ. Man can observe any of these days if he wishes.

But to judge another on a certain day in not allowed! We must acknowledge that Christ is the Sabbath in the New Covenant.

Romans 14:5-12
Most definitely Christ is the sabbath.

Which does not necessarily nullify the 4th commandment as something that we might keep in order to express devotion to the Lord.

Just remember that the sabbath was made for man and not man for the sabbath.

It is not meant to be a legalistic requirement but it is meant to be a gift given to us from the Lord.
 
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Amen.

The law is abolished from us as concerning condemnation.

And also, the law is a governing factor in the life of the one who is under the New Covenant (Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16, Romans 8:7, Romans 8:4, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Romans 13:8-10, Galatians 5:14; Romans 5:5).

Also, James 1:25 and James 2:10-12.

The "new covenant" is not the Law.
It's Grace. its the Blood Atonement.

Its acceptable to say that the commandments and the law, are moral boundaries, but they are not to be "under", as Christ has redeemed us from being "under" anything other than God's mercy, if we are born again.
 
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It is not meant to be a legalistic requirement but it is meant to be a gift given to us from the Lord.

You noticed that Jesus didn't always keep it?
Sometimes He did work on the shabbat. (Sabbath).
Why?
Because God is the Lord of the Shabbat.

God is above and higher then, His Law.

The law is made for unbelievers, its not made for God, and because we are "One with God"< we are redeemed from the Law's curse, that the unbelievers are all under.

You can't be saved by the Law or Commandments, and you can't be "lost" by not keeping what can't save you to begin with....
 

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You noticed that Jesus didn't always keep it?
Sometimes He did work on the shabbat. (Sabbath).
Why?
Because God is the Lord of the Shabbat.

God is above and higher then, His Law.

The law is made for unbelievers, its not made for God, and because we are "One with God"< we are redeemed from the Law's curse, that the unbelievers are under.

That's true and also the precepts that the religious leaders of Israel (the Sanhedrin) were not of God. They had made it impossible to keep the Sabbath. Even going to the point of a woman not being able to comb her hair on the Sabbath.

So Christ didn't break the Law of the Sabbath, He was showing them the true Law of the Sabbath.
 

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The "new covenant" is not the Law.
It's Grace. its the Blood Atonement.

See Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16, Romans 8:7, Romans 8:4, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Romans 13:8-10, Galatians 5:14; Romans 5:5.

These passages will teach you that those who are under the New Covenant have the law written on their hearts and in their minds.

Its acceptable to say that the commandments and the law, are moral boundaries, but they are not to be "under",

See 1 Corinthians 9:21. We are "under the law to Christ..."

Not as concerning condemnation (Romans 6:14, Romans 7:4, Galatians 2:19, Romans 7:6, Ephesians 2:15-16, Colossians 2:14, Hebrews 7:18-19) but as concerning obedience (Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16, Romans 8:7, Romans 8:4, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Romans 13:8-10, Galatians 5:14; Romans 5:5).
 
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That's true and also the precepts that the religious leaders of Israel (the Sanhedrin) were not of God. They had made it impossible to keep the Sabbath. Even going to the point of a woman not being able to comb her hair on the Sabbath.

So Christ didn't break the Law of the Sabbath, He was showing them the true Law of the Sabbath.

"work" is not rest.
Christ's work was to be Truth as revealed, and to heal.
He healed wherever He went.
He healed on the Sabbath to show the legalist, the self righteous Pharisees, that He is the Lord of the Sabbath.
He explained this work as "which of you, if you lost a sheep, will not go looking on the Sabbath".
Thats work.
 
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See Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16, Romans 8:7, Romans 8:4, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Romans 13:8-10, Galatians 5:14; Romans 5:5.

These passages will teach you that those who are under the New Covenant have the law written on their hearts and in their minds.

God has the law and commandments written in His heart, but He's not under it.
Same for the born again who are "One with God".
 

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"work" is not rest.
Christ's work was to be Truth as revealed, and to heal.
He healed wherever He went.
He healed on the Sabbath to show the legalist, the self righteous Pharisees, that He is the Lord of the Sabbath.
He explained this work as "which of you, if you lost a sheep, will not go looking on the Sabbath".
Thats work.
True, my point is that the Sanhedrin had taken the Sabbath completely out of context to what it truly was!
 

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God has the law and commandments written in His heart, but He's not under it.
Same for the born again who are "One with God".
He is fully obedient to the spirit of what is written, just as He commands us to be (Romans 7:6).
 

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True, my point is that the Sanhedrin had taken the Sabbath completely out of context to what is truly was!
They were correct in their understanding that it was a violation, according to the letter, to do any work on the sabbath (Exodus 20:10).
 

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He is fully obedient to the spirit of what is written, just as He commands us to be (Romans 7:6).

But Jesus literally worked on the Sabbath.
He is Lord of it, and that is the final word.
For God to do good, is never breaking a Law., but in the eyes of the legalists, they have no understanding that mercy is the heart of the law.
God gave the Law, so that the Cross is Revealed.
Its given to show us our unrighteousness.
That's its purpose.

Listen , in the OT< the SON is the Heir.
The males.

Yet, there is a case in the OT, where there was no SON, and the 4 daughters were left with a dead father and looking at poverty, as the males are the "heirs".
God resolved this for them, as if they are the Male heirs

So, God is above the Law.
See........ the One who gave it, is obviously above it.
The law is made for CREATION< its not made for God.

The Law is like TIME.
God does not exit in it.
He is outside of it, and above it.
 
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They were correct in their understanding that it was a violation, according to the letter, to do any work on the sabbath (Exodus 20:10).

They had no excuse for not understanding the Sabbath! Moses had written to them of Christ and that He would command them of God. Deut. 18:18

When they rejected Christ, they rejected His commands and understanding from God.

They were being given light as to the purpose of the Law to be fulfilled in Christ, but they rejected it.
 

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But Jesus literally worked on the Sabbath.
He is Lord of it, and that is the final word.
For God to do good, is never breaking a Law., but in the eyes of the legalists, they have no understanding that mercy is the heart of the law.
God gave the Law, so that the Cross is Revealed.
Its given to show us our unrighteousness.
That's its purpose.

Listen , in the OT< the SON is the Heir.
The males.

Yet, there is a case in the OT, where there was no SON, and the 4 daughters were left with a dead father and looking at poverty, as the males are the "heirs".
God resolved this for them, as if they are the Male heirs

So, God is above the Law.
See........ the One who gave it, is obviously above it.
The law is made for CREATION< its not made for God.

The Law is like TIME.
God does not exit in it.
He is outside of it, and above it.
The spirit of the law is according to God's nature; and God is bound to do what is in His nature. He is not limited by what the law requires but He is bound to do what is in His nature; which is basically what is required by the spirit of the law.

Nothing is impossible with God but it is impossible for God to lie.

Can God lie?

He is not bound by the law so that He cannot lie; He is bound by His nature so that He cannot lie.
 

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They had no excuse for not understanding the Sabbath! Moses had written to them of Christ and that He would command them of God. Deut. 18:18

When they rejected Christ, they rejected His commands and understanding from God.

They were being given light as to the purpose of the Law to be fulfilled in Christ, but they rejected it.
Jesus revealed to them the spirit of the sabbath day laws; but they were correct in their understanding of the letter of those laws.

Of course they should have listened to Him; He was that Prophet spoken of by Moses, that if they would not heed His voice they would be cut off.
 

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They were being given light as to the purpose of the Law to be fulfilled in Christ, but they rejected it.

You can find these Hebrews rejecting their Messiah in Hebrews 10:26.
There you will find Paul preaching to a group of very hateful religious Jews, and does it again in the last few verses in Acts 28.
They are law keepers. They are Christ Rejectors, and "No more sacrifice remains for them", as they have "sinned willfully" by "trodding underfoot the blood of Jesus".
To read what these HEBREWS did, these Jewish Christ Rejectors........is to witness the Gospel being Rejected, and that is to witness the unpardonable sin being committed by Christ Rejecting Jews.

Read the last verses of Acts 28.
Same Apostle (Paul) ... same situation again.
 

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God is not bound by His nature, He is bound by His word.
By His law, you mean?

No; He is bound by His nature: He will not do anything that goes against His nature and that is a fact.

God violated the letter of the sabbath law in John chapter 5; but He did not violate the spirit of that law and He did not depart from His nature, as God is holy and righteous through and through in who He is.
 

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By His law, you mean?

No; He is bound by His nature: He will not do anything that goes against His nature and that is a fact.

God violated the letter of the sabbath law in John chapter 5; but He did not violate the spirit of that law and He did not depart from His nature, as God is holy and righteous through and through in who He is.

God's nature is revealed in His Word. So both of you are right, just placing emphasis on one or the other.
 
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By His law, you mean?

No; He is bound by His nature: .

God's nature is also Jealousy.
Is He bound by this?
You really do like to teach, and its unfortunate that you have no idea what you are doing.
You are harmful to real believers.

Again i'll tell you , = God is bound by his Word.
Its his "word that endures forever", not the Law.
The law came by MOSES.
The law is ABOLISHED in Christ.
The law is a CURSE that is redeemed, as "Christ has redeemed us FROM the CURSE of the Law"
The Law is a "schoolmaster", and it has it time.
That time will end.