Defending Homosexuality

[amadeus]

Post # 479 corrected from 1990-s to 1970's. My son was born in 1973. The event occurred before my daughter was born in Dec 1974.

 

[amadeus]

I've enjoyed his some of his music, but never knowing what the words were.

From way back when I watched the Gomer Pyle show when they were NOT reruns. [I also saw in the original Andy Griffiths series.] It was a pleasant surprise the first time he sang a song on the program. I remember I asked him to sign my son's baby book, he backed off believing that the space could better used. I insisted, he signed and we still have that little book with his autograph saying, "Gomer says hey!"

 

[Lady Crosstalk]

They also are very nonbiblical in a lot of ways.

Yeah--that tends to happen in congregations who are all, "Spirit, Spirit, Spirit". Like the old adage, "Bible alone, you dry up, Spirit alone you blow up, Word and Holy Spirit, you grow up." ;)

 

[amadeus]

Sure. I drink a couple beers or wine a week. As a result I cannot "reform" my neighbor drunk in a stupor, now in jail for drug sales. But I don't see that being a tea-totaler would help either. My best shot would be me attending aa meetings and inviting him along with me.

A tea-totaler I am not. I always loved beer after spending a year as a student in West Berlin [1969-1970]. I stopped getting drunk when I was converted to the Lord in 1976. Now I might have one beer once or twice a year. I've had one already in 2019, so I should be careful from this point on... Of course a real alcoholic will really need the Lord's help on this.

 

[CoreIssue]

Yeah--that tends to happen in congregations who are all, "Spirit, Spirit, Spirit". Like the old adage, "Bible alone, you dry up, Spirit alone you blow up, Word and Holy Spirit, you grow up." ;)

So very true.

 

[SkyWriting]

From way back when I watched the Gomer Pyle show when they were NOT reruns. [I also saw in the original Andy Griffiths series.] It was a pleasant surprise the first time he sang a song on the program. I remember I asked him to sign my son's baby book, he backed off believing that the space could better used. I insisted, he signed and we still have that little book with his autograph saying, "Gomer says hey!"

He's quite the voice for a Pyle. Did you remember Goober was his brother on the show?

 

[SkyWriting]

Some Sins are punishable by death we see in the OT, so not all Sins are of the same value you know, ...

No, we forgot about that.......because:

Matthew 5:48
You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

plus

James 2:10
For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become accountable for all of it.

equals

Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

[amadeus]

He's quite the voice for a Pyle. Did you remember Goober was his brother on the show?

I remember Goober but did not recall it was his brother. A lot of the details are gone from me any more...I don't watch a lot of TV as so much garbage is on and it can be time wasteful. Once in a while to relax I will put on Andy Griffiths or some other oldie...

 

[SkyWriting]

I remember Goober but did not recall it was his brother. A lot of the details are gone from me any more...I don't watch a lot of TV as so much garbage is on and it can be time wasteful. Once in a while to relax I will put on Andy Griffiths or some other oldie...

Right. Goober (Judy,Judy,Judy,Judy...Judy) was Gomers brother and took over the gas station when Gomer when to military.

And Gomer started his own spin-off in the army.

 

[SkyWriting]

He told somebody else he is Church of the Brethren, so this may interest you:
Peace churches

My Grandparents both went to Church of the Brethren, then my parents met through church events.
None were strong attenders. Part of the churches past is the "Quakers" who preached fire and brimstone
and shook or trembled when preaching, and become known as the Quakers.
We get no steady income from the oatmeal though.

 

[SkyWriting]

When you deliberately defend what the Bible condemns what does that make you?

The Bible strongly supports my neighbors in no uncertain terms, and with no caveats. Many of them are gay.

What Does the Bible Say About Neighbors?

 

[SkyWriting]

I suppose I will never be able to understand why anyone who claims to be a Christian can feel comfortable defending that which God has condemned.

You have thoroughly misrepresented what I said (that's called lying, by the way) and me (slander). I was not speaking of sexual history or other past sinful behaviors. There were former prostitutes and former greedy, swindling, tax collectors among Jesus' followers--Matthew, a former tax collector, even wrote one of the gospels. Peter tells us that, "Judgment begins in the house of the Lord..." Since you say you are a Christian, I am indeed qualified to judge your false teaching. Flagrant sexual sin in the church is what the Bible is referencing in 1 Corinthians 5, when it tells Christians to expel those in open rebellion against God (which, in the same passages, is broadened to the "greedy", "swindlers", "idolaters", is a "drunkard" or "abusive", etc.). I don't know the secret thoughts of those in my house church and have no desire to know--they must police their own thought life. I have counseled a number of women with post-abortion syndrome--why would I ever want to expel them from our house church? I said, "purifying church" for a reason. None of us is there yet, but we are not defending our sin and making it into some kind of supposed virtue.

Now here you just listed a bunch of sins, which you claimed you were personally called by Jesus to purge from your church,

Lady Crosstalk said: ↑
I attend a house church and I know all of the other members very well.
There are no adulterers, alcoholics or divorces among us. It is not MY
goal to have a purifying church--the Lord Jesus demands it.

(James 2:10 - For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become accountable for all of it.)

then identified the writers of the Gospels as these same kind of sinners. That is exactly "defending our sin and making it into some kind of supposed virtue."

But you read scripture and know 100%, full well you are no less guilty than Jeffery Dahmer who ate his sex victims.

James 2:10 For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become accountable for all of it.

So I don't see why you're upset if I defend my neighbors. Not one of them wants to move to Sodom and have orgies. Not one. They enjoy the company of the same sex and are homosexuals, not Sodomites which is the language in Greek and Hebrew. SODOMITES. None of my gay neighbors wishes that lifestyle. None of them want to swap partners or have multiple sex partners in their beds.

Mark 12:31
The second is this: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.”

Romans 15:2
Let each of us please his neighbor for his good, to build him up.

Galatians 5:14
For the whole law is fulfilled in one word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

Proverbs 3:29
Do not plan evil against your neighbor, who dwells trustingly beside you.

Matthew 7:12
“So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.

 

[SkyWriting]

With the exponential rise of defenders of homosexuality in the world, I cannot help but wonder how it is that many who claim to be of the Christian community can defend this lifestyle so fervently.

I prefer it over other lifestyles because they make awesome neighbors. None of them wishes to be a Sodomite.

Romans 13
Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Matthew 19
Honor your father and mother, and, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

Luke 6
And as you wish that others would do to you, do so to them.

Leviticus 19
You shall not go around as a slanderer among your people, and you shall not stand up against the life of your neighbor: I am the Lord. “You shall not hate your brother in your heart, but you shall reason frankly with your neighbor, lest you incur sin because of him. You shall not take vengeance or bear a grudge against the sons of your own people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself: I am the Lord.

Galatians 6
So then, as we have opportunity, let us do good to everyone, and especially to those who are of the household of faith.

 

[SkyWriting]

Can a person take full responsibility for their action when the sin nature is the rulership from within ?
When people believe no one can live above all sin, then which one is OK to do ? do we get to choose ?
So how far can a person go to condemn another person for the sinful flesh, if they have sinful flesh also ?
If you believe you are born with a sin nature.

Then maybe that is how some can justify Homosexuality as equal to any other sin.

Home will spirituality translates to the fire.

Reject the sin of the sinner.

James 2
For whoever keeps the whole law
but fails in one point
has become accountable for all of it.

 

[Willie T]

My Grandparents both went to Church of the Brethren, then my parents met through church events.
None were strong attenders. Part of the churches past is the "Quakers" who preached fire and brimstone
and shook or trembled when preaching, and become known as the Quakers.
We get no steady income from the oatmeal though.

Seems like you should be able to somehow bring a class-action suit about that. LOL

 

[SkyWriting]

Seems like you should be able to somehow bring a class-action suit about that. LOL

Some Quaker is sitting somewhere watching a very big screen TV.

 

[SkyWriting]

You are being ridiculous--when did I ever say that we are removing members "who have IMPURE THOUGHTS"?? You make things up and then you respond to what you have fabricated. Pathetic.

Here you claim Jesus has demanded you to personally purify your group:

I attend a house church and I know all of the other members very well. There are no adulterers, alcoholics or divorces among us. It is not MY goal to have a purifying church--the Lord Jesus demands it.

If that's the case, your house church will be empty.

James 2
For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become accountable for all of it.

 

[Willie T]

Lady Crosstalk said: ↑
You are being ridiculous--when did I ever say that we are removing members "who have IMPURE THOUGHTS"?? You make things up and then you respond to what you have fabricated. Pathetic.

SkyWriting said:
Here you claim Jesus has demanded you to personally purify your group:

Lady Crosstalk said: ↑
I attend a house church and I know all of the other members very well. There are no adulterers, alcoholics or divorces among us. It is not MY goal to have a purifying church--the Lord Jesus demands it.

I seriously doubt she even realized what she actually said.

 

[Lady Crosstalk]

Now here you just listed a bunch of sins, which you claimed you were personally called by Jesus to purge from your church,

Lady Crosstalk said: ↑
I attend a house church and I know all of the other members very well.
There are no adulterers, alcoholics or divorces among us. It is not MY
goal to have a purifying church--the Lord Jesus demands it.

(James 2:10 - For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become accountable for all of it.)

We are not under the law but under grace. You have misrepresented what I have said and worse, what that Scripture references. I did not say that any of us were perfect--far from it. What I said was in contradiction to your accusation that we had adultery, alcoholism and divorce among us.

then identified the writers of the Gospels as these same kind of sinners. That is exactly "defending our sin and making it into some kind of supposed virtue."

I identified the writers of the gospels as adulterers, alcoholics and divorced people???!?? You are a liar.

But you read scripture and know 100%, full well you are no less guilty than Jeffery Dahmer who ate his sex victims.

I do not murder people and cannibalize them. Do you? I am NOT guilty because I have been declared righteous through the shed Blood of Jesus Christ. Only the devil goes around accusing those who are in Christ. But I have an Advocate. Do you?

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=James+2:10&version=ESV

James 2:10

For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become accountable for all of it.

Yeah--you keep harping on that but I have already answered above. But I will repeat: I AM NOT UNDER THE LAW. Since you seem to be obsessed with it, you must be still under it.

So I don't see why you're upset if I defend my neighbors.

Not upset at all. I really don't care what you or they do as long as you obey the civil authorities and do not insist that they be included in my church as practicing homosexuals.

Not one of them wants to move to Sodom and have orgies. Not one. They enjoy the company of the same sex and are homosexuals, not Sodomites which is the language in Greek and Hebrew. SODOMITES. None of my gay neighbors wishes that lifestyle. None of them want to swap partners or have multiple sex partners in their beds.

Why would I care about any of that?

Mark 12:31
The second is this: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.”

Romans 15:2
Let each of us please his neighbor for his good, to build him up.

Galatians 5:14
For the whole law is fulfilled in one word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

Proverbs 3:29
Do not plan evil against your neighbor, who dwells trustingly beside you.

Matthew 7:12
“So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.

None of the above Scriptures have application here. I love sinners of all sorts but they do not belong in my church, if they are in defiance of God and proud of it. (see 1 Corinthians 5) I have a close friend whose son is a homosexual. I am fond of him but I will never agree that he would have a place in my church without the intention to be clean of that which binds him.

We have covered this several times before but you seem to be determined to bully me into saying that your position is right. It is not. If that is all you have to say, I do not wish to continue the discussion and will not respond to any further harangues.

 

[Lady Crosstalk]

If that's the case, your house church will be empty.

Is that what you hope?

The Lord Himself purifies and is purifying His Church, through the power of the Holy Spirit that He gives to those who obey Him. (see Acts 5:32 and John 14:21) Those who have no intention to obey Him will not have the Holy Spirit as their "Helper."