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So then Christ didnt die for them going to hell right ?

John 3:16

God gave Jesus to the "world".


That's everyone...

But you have to RECEIVE CHRIST by Faith to receive this Salvation.

As Jesus said...."All that BELIEVE in me, i give unto you eternal life and you shall never go to Hell, (perish)".

See that :

BELIEVE?

Why does your cult deny this?
 

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John 3:16

God gave Jesus to the "world".


That's everyone...

But you have to RECEIVE CHRIST by Faith to receive this Salvation.

As Jesus said...."All that BELIEVE in me, i give unto you eternal life and you shall never go to Hell, (perish)".

See that :

BELIEVE?

Why does your cult deny this?
Well you just flushed down the toilet everything you said previously. You actually deny the Cross, in and of itself, you dont believe it saved anyone ! Thats unbelief
 

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Well you just flushed down the toilet everything you said previously. You actually deny the Cross, in and of itself, you dont believe it saved anyone ! Thats unbelief

What i did was showed you the EFFECT of the Blood Atonement, that is the Cross of Christ.

This effect is Eternal Redemption.

See, all the born again are "made righteous"...but to receive this "imputed righteousness" we have to come to the Cross, and give God our Faith in Christ.

We have to REPENT of our Unbelief, as that is FAITH being given to God.

God accepts this Faith, as "faith is counted as (Christ's) Righteousness", and we are given the "Gift of Righteousness".
 

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What i did was showed you the EFFECT of the Blood Atonement, that is the Cross of Christ.

This effect is Eternal Redemption.

See, all the born again are "made righteous"...but to receive this "imputed righteousness" we have to come to the Cross, and give God our Faith in Christ.

We have to REPENT of our Unbelief, as that is FAITH being given to God.

God accepts this Faith, as "faith is counted as (Christ's) Righteousness", and we are given the "Gift of Righteousness".
You are saying mans faith effects the reality of the atonement, thats works, and it denies that the atonement effects its own reality of atonement by giving conversion, giving faith and repentance.
 

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The best thing to do here is read Hebrews and understand why Jesus is the High Priest of the order of Mechilzedek and what that means. When you understand that, you will understand how ALL sin is forgiven for the believer.
 
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"This wooden cross idolatry of yours, simply has no place in Christianity"....... Gada

AMEN:

John 12:32 KJV
And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.


Jesus said the above NOTICE THE I , this speaks in the first person of the personage of Jesus, the only begotten of the Father.
 
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Oh boy. Upgrade. Not only are we heretics that don't agree with your gospel, but we are also Cains, that want to do you in. :mad:

In any case, the spirit of Cain is certainly remains on earth. There are unrighteous Christians that do resent righteous Christians, and like Cain, they don't even want to hear about Abel being righteous by doing righteousness.

In fact, like brother Christian Cain, they go out of their way to explain to self-righteous Abel, how that all righteousness is by faith alone, and has absolutely nothing to do with works of sacrifice. But, woe betide the arrogant brother Abel, if he dare refuse his kind doctrinal offer. That's when selfless charitable brother Cain just gets rid of him.

There have been Christians on this site, that have demanded to have all disagreers removed from the site. And what do the heretics disagree with? Being saved, justified, and righteous by their own faith alone. These all-loving, all-saved, all-forgiven Christians are truly the ones, in my experience, to have displayed the most bitter and angry responses to any objection to their doctrine, that I have ever seen in the Christian community.

I have never said anyone claiming to be a Christian, is not a Christian. I have never said anyone claiming to be saved, is not saved. I have never called anyone teaching here, an heretic. (Except for having fun with it on this thread).

And yet, I have been told I am not saved, headed to hell, not a Christian, an heretic, and now Mr Cain.

And what exactly do I think about it? Whatever.


Wait. You're not really JUDGING someone are you, as though the soul were at stake, are you?

I mean, what's the point of your 'dire warnings'? If your gospel is true, then we are all already forgiven of all sinning, and by our faith in Christ alone, we are all as good as gold in heaven.

Not only can we not be judged and condemned for sinning as others, but we can't even possibly sin and offend God. After all, where no condemnation of God is, there is no offense against God.

And, so your effort to preach RIGHTEOUS INDIGNATION and wrath of God about saved Christian behavior, has as much impact on our souls and lives, as a bunny-white puff of smoke, where the slightest breeze blows it away.

So, spare me your haughty WARNINGS please. It just makes you look doctrinally dysfunctional.


ARRRRGH!!! I'm soooo confused!!!! You mean, if I resist you and your doctrine, which you insist I must be CONVICTED about, and just go ahead and do righteousness anyway, then "sowing and reaping" is going to find me?

Well, I certainly hope so. After all, that is the promise to them that sow righteousness unto everlasting life.

And besides, your fouling up your own doctrine again. Since the CONVICTION of the Spirit is against sinning, in order to lead us to repent and confess it for forgiveness of sinning, then you're no more preaching being already forgiven of all sinning.

In fact, a natural extension of your doctrine, is that if any person or spirit tries to convict saved Christians of any sinning, then they are to be rebuked as of the devil, for tempting such all-forgiven Christians to actually believe, that they are not already forgiven in the first place.

Just stick to your already all forgiven gospel, and leave the conviction and judgment of sinning to others. You have no place nor part in such adult things of God and life.


Hey, it all ends in glory, so why not enjoy the ride for a little more season? Correct?

Eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow we die and go to heaven by our own faith alone!!


What? Do you mean that sinful saved Christian? Don't be that one? Are you saying that they shouldn't be that way? Are you judging them as, like, SINNERS?

Look, seriously, you have as much chance of warning me to be proselytized to your gospel, as Cain had with Abel.
I mostly agree with this post. :woot:
 

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The best thing to do here is read Hebrews and understand why Jesus is the High Priest of the order of Mechilzedek and what that means. When you understand that, you will understand how ALL sin is forgiven for the believer.
All sin is forgiven for everyone Jesus was made a surety High Priest for.
 

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Yes, its true that God has never said to an Angel, the words "Son, i have begotten thee"... He has said these words to Jesus = who is the Virgin Born God in the Flesh.
Which includes the brethren of Jesus, who become sons pure born of the same God and Father as He.

But that's only for them repenting of sinning first, before presuming to only believe His gospel without obeying it.

The gospel of beleiving without repentance first, is your gospel. Not mine. That includes your gospel of being reborn sinners, that now seek only to sin less the 2nd time around.

I call it the Christian religion reboot. Still the same sinner before, during, and after Christian conversion of unrepented people.
 

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No, we are just required to come to God as a sinner, trusting in Christ, and God will give us the New Birth.
As I said. Your gospel of coming as an unrepented sinner, trusting in a Christ that will save and justify you while still sinning, is not the new pure birth of God, but a Christian conversion and reboot to try and sin less this time around.

Your gospel is not the same as that of the Bible to repent of sinning first.

That much was made perfectly clear by you when teach a Christ that does not save us from our sinning, but only from God's judgment while still sinning. Christians can believe that all they wish to the grave.

In the end, the true God and Christ Jesus will indeed judge us all according to our works, not just what we believe and make doctrines about.
 

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But that's only for them repenting of sinning first,

If you repent of your sinning, but not of your unbelief... then you are still a Christ rejector.....and that is what you are teaching, that God will accept.

You need to think about that one.

See, "Christ came into the world to save SINNERS", not people who tried to stop, on their way to the alter or on their way to the Grave.

God saves BELIEVERS, not repenters, unless the repenting is "repentance from UNBELIEF" as that is FAITH in CHRIST being given to God.

and "Faith is counted as "Christ's" Righteousness".

Its "Justification by FAITH", not by repenting of sin.
 
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No Cross = No Salvation
No Cross = No Redemption
No Cross = No New Covenant.
No Jesus dying on a cross, no salvation, redemption, new covenant of the resurrected Jesus Christ.

This is not, the idea that, the wood saves.
It's exactly how you speak by saying you are saved by a cross. You also do so by saying after the cross, all sins are forgiven.
 

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As I said. Your gospel of coming as an unrepented sinner,

The repentance that is Faith, is to repent of unbelief.

That is the repentance that God accepts as "Faith is counted.........as righteousness".

See, you can tell God, forever..... that you are "sorry for your sin", but unless you repent of your unbelief, into FAITH In Christ, you are just wasting your time.

He does not need to hear about your sinning......he needs to Hear your FAITH in Christ that is in your heart.

He'll take that.
Nothing else.
 
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Carnal deeds, is the better idea.., regarding a born again person.

Or

"works of the flesh" is how Paul describes those deeds.
Whatever name you want to call it. No one doing such things is inheriting the kingdom of God.

No matter what faith, birth, conversion, religion they may claim.

I reject the unjust judge that some Christians preach, in order to excuse themselves from being judged and condemned with others doing the same thing.
 

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No Jesus dying on a cross, no salvation, redemption, new covenant of the resurrected Jesus Christ.

Thats what i told you.
It's exactly how you speak by saying you are saved by a cross.

Saved by the "Cross of Christ".

This is the "preaching of the Cross"...

This is.."The preaching of the CROSS, is the power of God, unto Salvation".

That's not "the wood is going to save you".


Just think about it more.
 
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Whatever name you want to call it. No one doing such things is inheriting the kingdom of God.

Everyone is doing those things, and God saves them, anyway..

"all have sinned".

God saves SINNERS.... not "once i was a sinner".

You came to God as a sinner.
Just like the rest.

So, if you are born again, its not because you told God you were sorry for your LIFE OF SIN.......its because you gave God your faith in Christ, and God accepted you, based on "faith is counted as righteousness".

= "Justification BY faith" without works or the deeds of the law.
 
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@Behold

...its because you gave God your faith in Christ, and God accepted you, based on "faith is counted as righteousness".

"Justification BY faith" without works or the deeds of the law.

Thats works !
 
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Whatever name you want to call it. No one doing such things is inheriting the kingdom of God.

You were a practicing sinner, until you became a Believer.

Do you ever watch NetFlix?
Did you watch "Game of Thrones"?


So, it means that while you were yet UNGODLY< God took you and gave you His Salvation.

"But to him that worketh not, but believeth on God who justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness."""

Did you read that God justifies the UNGODLY?

Read it again, as that is not the "repentant sinner"... theology that you've been taught.
 
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God saves SINNERS.... not "once i was a sinner".

You came to God as a sinner.
Just like the rest.

So, if you are born again, its not because you told God you were sorry for your LIFE OF SIN.......its because you gave God your faith in Christ, and God accepted you, based on "faith is counted as righteousness".
Definitely. There is no salvation without faith in Christ. It's all a process:
*first, the unbeliever is exposed to the Gospel of Jesus.
*the Holy Spirit works to make them receptive to the Gospel (note they are not indwelt yet)
*the unbeliever is convicted of the truth of Christ (that he is God's son, that he came to Earth in a flesh and bone human body, and that he died and was resurrected for our sins) and of the need to receive salvation through Christ.
*NOW, having come to Christ and becoming a believer, the former unbeliever comes to understand what God considers sin and the need to repent of their sin. This is typically concurrent with the previous step.

In order to repent sin, one must first believe in God so one can acknowledge sin exists, and that one is a sinner because "..all have sinned..".