Denying the Cross: How to do it

[Ghada]

There was no Cross of Christ, and no "Gospel of the Grace of God", in the Garden of Eden.

Nor was there any unrepented lame 'accept and provide' gospel of faith alone with God. Not ever. Not with the God of the Bible, anyway.

There was however sin and death by sinning in the garden.

And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

The doctrine of commandment, sin, and forgiveness by godly sorrow confession, was foreordained before creation, and if Adam had repented, he would not have been driven out of the garden.

The forbearance and mercy of God was seeking to lead him unto repentance.

Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

Like his new father the devil, he refused.

Didn't you know ?
Also, Cain was not sent out because He didnt repent.... he was sent out because he brought His works to God, instead of Blood.

You are so consistently missing the Bible, that it can't be by mistake.

Cain offered his lame sacrifice of smoke and mirrors like you, and then God gave Him promise and warning to repent and do well.

And then Cain murdered his own brother instead, because he did not repent.

Abel brought Blood, and was accepted.
Cain was envious of Abel, because Abel's acceptance was not based on self effort, so He murdered Him.

And so, Abel was justified by God and called righteous, by his work of faith in offering up a proper sacrifice to God.

And Cain repented not.

Today, we see the people who are obsessed with works to try to be saved, and stay saved,

And yet, you quote the work of Abel with a proper sacrifice, and so Abel is called righteous by God.

Your gospel summary is:

I believe the man Jesus died on a cross. I believe I am saved. Therefore, I am saved.

 

[Ghada]

As you can't have sin, and be born again. It must ALL be forgiven, before God will give you the new Birth.

Exactly. Once we repent and believe Jesus with the heart unto doing His righteousness, we are perfectly new born again with all things now being of God, and nothing of sin and the devil remaining within us and our lives.

This is the Bible complete whole and pure new beginning of a new creature in Christ Jesus, who is now born of God, even as the babe and child Jesus.

For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

No angels (nor wooden crosses), but only the Son first on earth, and now His sons born of Him on earth.

Sounds better every time I preach it. Like it, love it, and wanting more of it!

 

[Ghada]

All sin is forgiven, by the Cross of Christ, or no one could be born again.

Once again. The cross Jesus died on hasn't forgiven anyone of anything. It didn't even know it was being used to kill people on. This wooden cross idolatry of yours, simply has no place in Christianity. I mean, it's pretty embarrassing if you ask me.

Do you have any chips from it? Can anyone say Catholic relics idolatry?

No cross used thousands of years ago, has forgiven and saved me. I am not justified by any cross of wood. Now, the One who died on that cross? He is the One I believe, love, and repent for.

And no. All the world is not now forgiven of sinning. That makes as much sense as that idol cross of yours that forgives and saves them all thousands of years ago. Just before it was thrown on the ground by the Romans using it.

The cross Jesus died on was made of wood. A cross of wood has never done anything other than be a cross of wood.

It's the One that died on it that matters. He's called the Lamb of God that taketh away the sins of the world.

The cross He died on is not called grace nor the Lamb of God, nor is any man forgiven and saved by it.

Once the Cross has redeemed us from our sin, this is continued, as the "New Covenant".

Talking to wooden cross idolaters is as effective as talking to the wooden crosses they idolize and worship. It just doesn't get anywhere.

Their idols are silver and gold, the work of men's hands. They have mouths, but they speak not: eyes have they, but they see not: They have ears, but they hear not: noses have they, but they smell not: They have hands, but they handle not: feet have they, but they walk not: neither speak they through their throat.

They that make them are like unto them; so is every one that trusteth in them.

I don't guess even God considered anyone making an idol out of couple of wooden beams fit together crosswise. But then, maybe the arms can be counted as hands.

 

[Ghada]

Now, regarding committing willful deeds of the flesh...

You mean unrighteous willful deeds of the flesh.

Well, the Law judges the unbeliever, and this judges the Born again...

I reject your hypocritical unjust judge. As well as your doctrinal unrighteous judgment, of judging the same sinful deeds differently with respect of persons, based solely about what you believe or think... It of course is not the God and Father of the Bible, and Judge of all the earth.

Judge not according to the persons, but judge righteous judgment.

 

[Ghada]

These people have the heart of Cain.

Oh boy. Upgrade. Not only are we heretics that don't agree with your gospel, but we are also Cains, that want to do you in.

In any case, the spirit of Cain is certainly remains on earth. There are unrighteous Christians that do resent righteous Christians, and like Cain, they don't even want to hear about Abel being righteous by doing righteousness.

In fact, like brother Christian Cain, they go out of their way to explain to self-righteous Abel, how that all righteousness is by faith alone, and has absolutely nothing to do with works of sacrifice. But, woe betide the arrogant brother Abel, if he dare refuse his kind doctrinal offer. That's when selfless charitable brother Cain just gets rid of him.

There have been Christians on this site, that have demanded to have all disagreers removed from the site. And what do the heretics disagree with? Being saved, justified, and righteous by their own faith alone. These all-loving, all-saved, all-forgiven Christians are truly the ones, in my experience, to have displayed the most bitter and angry responses to any objection to their doctrine, that I have ever seen in the Christian community.

I have never said anyone claiming to be a Christian, is not a Christian. I have never said anyone claiming to be saved, is not saved. I have never called anyone teaching here, an heretic. (Except for having fun with it on this thread).

And yet, I have been told I am not saved, headed to hell, not a Christian, an heretic, and now Mr Cain.

And what exactly do I think about it? Whatever.

1.) "you will reap what you sow"..

So, that is a reality check that is going to find you, if you are born again, and are willfully doing what you know is offensive to God.

Wait. You're not really JUDGING someone are you, as though the soul were at stake, are you?

I mean, what's the point of your 'dire warnings'? If your gospel is true, then we are all already forgiven of all sinning, and by our faith in Christ alone, we are all as good as gold in heaven.

Not only can we not be judged and condemned for sinning as others, but we can't even possibly sin and offend God. After all, where no condemnation of God is, there is no offense against God.

And, so your effort to preach RIGHTEOUS INDIGNATION and wrath of God about saved Christian behavior, has as much impact on our souls and lives, as a bunny-white puff of smoke, where the slightest breeze blows it away.

So, spare me your haughty WARNINGS please. It just makes you look doctrinally dysfunctional.

You know what that is, as God deals with that, by CONVICTION, and so, if you resist this and do it anyway, then that is going to cause "sowing and reaping" to find you.

ARRRRGH!!! I'm soooo confused!!!! You mean, if I resist you and your doctrine, which you insist I must be CONVICTED about, and just go ahead and do righteousness anyway, then "sowing and reaping" is going to find me?

Well, I certainly hope so. After all, that is the promise to them that sow righteousness unto everlasting life.

And besides, your fouling up your own doctrine again. Since the CONVICTION of the Spirit is against sinning, in order to lead us to repent and confess it for forgiveness of sinning, then you're no more preaching being already forgiven of all sinning.

In fact, a natural extension of your doctrine, is that if any person or spirit tries to convict saved Christians of any sinning, then they are to be rebuked as of the devil, for tempting such all-forgiven Christians to actually believe, that they are not already forgiven in the first place.

Just stick to your already all forgiven gospel, and leave the conviction and judgment of sinning to others. You have no place nor part in such adult things of God and life.

And if you decide to live in that place of carnal lifestyle, you'll have more issues then you can deal with, and once that starts, it will be a long ride before its over.

Hey, it all ends in glory, so why not enjoy the ride for a little more season? Correct?

Eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow we die and go to heaven by our own faith alone!!

Dont be that one.

What? Do you mean that sinful saved Christian? Don't be that one? Are you saying that they shouldn't be that way? Are you judging them as, like, SINNERS?

Look, seriously, you have as much chance of warning me to be proselytized to your gospel, as Cain had with Abel.

 

[Behold]

Oh boy. Upgrade. Not only are we heretics that don't agree with your gospel, but we are also Cains,

I made a generalization, of a Type.
You concluded that you're it.

 

[Behold]

The doctrine of commandment, sin, and forgiveness by godly sorrow confession,

Sin is not forgiven by godly confession.
Sin is forgive by the Cross of Christ.

When we give our faith in Christ to God, turning from (repenting from) unbelief, then God accepts our faith, like this......

"Faith is counted as (Christ's) Righteousness.

This is God accepting our faith to apply the Blood Atonement, that is the New Covenant, to the Believer, as their Redemption.

This is know as "imputed righteousness"., and every born again person, has it.

 

[Behold]

For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

Yes, its true that God has never said to an Angel, the words "Son, i have begotten thee"... He has said these words to Jesus = who is the Virgin Born God in the Flesh.

 

[Behold]

Exactly. Once we repent and believe Jesus with the heart unto doing His righteousness,

No, we are just required to come to God as a sinner, trusting in Christ, and God will give us the New Birth.

 

[Behold]

Sounds better every time I preach it. Like it, love it, and wanting more of it!

Ive no doubt that you love to hear yourself talk.
We are in agreement.

 

[Behold]

Once again. The cross Jesus died on hasn't forgiven anyone of anything.

No Cross = No Salvation
No Cross = No Redemption
No Cross = No New Covenant.

"The preaching of the Cross, is the power of God, unto Salvation"..

This is not, the idea that, the wood saves.
Only people like you are confused about that.....

 

[Behold]

Do you have any chips from it? Can anyone say Catholic relics idolatry?

Im not a Catholic., and they do have their obsession with relics.
Thats true.
I like all their Art, that they have stored in the Vatican.
They have some Masterpieces.

 

[Behold]

Talking to wooden cross idolaters

Ive never met one of those.

But im familiar with Catholics and Relics.

 

[Behold]

You mean unrighteous willful deeds of the flesh.

Carnal deeds, is the better idea.., regarding a born again person.

Or

"works of the flesh" is how Paul describes those deeds.

 

[Behold]

There have been Christians on this site, that have demanded to have all disagreers removed from the site. And what do the heretics disagree with? Being saved, justified, and righteous by their own faith alone.

It really depends on a person's concept regarding ... "what is a Christian site".

So, if they see it as "Like Facebook" "Like Twitter"....then that is one pov.

If they see a Christian Forum, as a type of online Church, where believers and non, can gather, then if that is what the Owner and Mods believe, then there has to be order on the Forum.

Order, on a forum, is never to allow "anything and everything to park and preach, whatever, as long as you are NICE"., as that is what makes forums so horrible, so ungodly, and so, harmful to real believers.


What ive done, is posted about this, on forums, and provided the way that you stop 90% the hatred and the constant fighting... and keep the hyper religious off, as well..

You simple stop some Topics.
You change the TOS to : These Topics will get you BANNED.. .Do not post, or Thread about these Topics.
You simply dont allow some Topics to be discussed., and if the Mods do this, then the forum, cleans up, and changes into something useful to God.

These..Topicss, need to be removed from DISCUSSION.

1.) OSAS

2.) The Trinity

3.) Predestination Theology... Calvinism

4..) Losing Salvation

5.) The KJV

 

[gpresdo]

It really depends on a person's concept regarding ... "what is a Christian site".

So, if they see it as "Like Facebook" "Like Twitter"....then that is one pov.

If they see a Christian Forum, as a type of online Church, where believers and non, can gather, then if that is what the Owner and Mods believe, then there has to be order on the Forum.

Order, on a forum, is never to allow "anything and everything to park and preach, whatever, as long as you are NICE"., as that is what makes forums so horrible, so ungodly, and so, harmful to real believers.


What ive done, is posted about this, on forums, and provided the way that you stop 90% the hatred and the constant fighting... and keep the hyper religious off, as well..

You simple stop some Topics.
You change the TOS to : These Topics will get you BANNED.. .Do not post, or Thread about these Topics.
You simply dont allow some Topics to be discussed., and if the Mods do this, then the forum, cleans up, and changes into something useful to God.

These..Topicss, need to be removed from DISCUSSION.

1.) OSAS

2.) The Trinity

3.) Predestination Theology... Calvinism

4..) Losing Salvation

5.) The KJV

I totally disagree.

I would not want to be part of censoring any of God's word. Some one will answer for that act...some way.
God commands that we study the Bible continuously. That includes all the above also.
The participant actions are always in need of scrutiny, correction and guidance.

 

[Behold]

I totally disagree.

I would not want to be part of censoring any of God's word.

You believe that "letting everything and anything post whatever they believe, no matter if its demonic, hyper religious, or just plain theological insanity" is "censoring God's word".

C'mon.
Get real.
Think.

We dont allow that in CHURCH< so, should this that isn't allowed in Church, be allowed to ruin, continually, a site that uses the word "Christian" in the Title?

A.) That's a NO

 

[brightfame52]

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Bible Rejectors, Heretics, and the deceived blaspheme the power of the Cleansing BLOOD of Jesus , by teaching that only past sins are forgiven by the Sacrifice of Christ on the Cross.
Paul teaches, that the Cross Of Christ is = "THE "ETERNAL Sacrifice for sin"" that is the finished work of Jesus on The Cross..

How do you know its Eternal ?
How do you know the BLOOD ATONEMENT, the NEW COVENANT, written in the Blood of Jesus is "ETERNAL"?, and not just temporary, or "past only" sins are forgiven?

1.) Well, one of the ways you know is that when The Blood Of Jesus has washed away your sin, you have ETERNAL LIFE< and eternal life is not Temporary.
So, the "Power of the Blood of Jesus"..>Its FRUIT, is "ETERNAL LIFE", that is now the Born again Believer's, spiritual domain.

ALSO....

2.) Because the Cross of Cross is 2000 yrs ago, and its still paying for sin TODAY, for as Long as God lives to keep offering ""the Gift of Salvation""" as "the Gift of RIGHTEOUSNESS".

Reader...Listen..

There is a "damned" Galatians 1:8 cult teaching that says...>>>"only the sins that you committed before you are born again, are forgiven"

And that denies the Lord's "ETERNAL Sacrifice for Sin"""


So, the Self Righteous, play this game......Reader..

= "As long as i remember all my sin to confess, God will keep saving me over and over, and forgive me over and over".

So that is now the person up on the Cross..Confessing to try to stay saved....., and Jesus is ripped off the nails by their Self Righteousness.

A.) (Self Saving). = Christ denying.

The Born Again, who understand the "" ONE TIME...ETERAL Sacrifice of Christ "" as """God hath made Jesus to be SIN for us" ...know that Jesus has their sin, and They have become a "new creation in Christ' ....."Made Righteous." and are "one with God" "In Christ", and there is no sin found there.

AS...."::Being Now = made free from sin"::, is the eternal fruit of Jesus's Sacrifice on the Cross. Paul teaches.

See that 'NOW". ????? "NOW being made free from sin"?

That means = right NOW.... and for always.. "being made free"..."from sin".

That is the Power of the Blood Atonement.

I believe we deny the Cross if we say anyone Christ died for winds up in hell ! Those going into the perdition of hell obviously Christ didnt shed one drop of blood for !

 

[Behold]

I believe we deny the Cross if we say anyone Christ died for winds up in hell ! Those going into the perdition of hell obviously Christ didnt shed one drop of blood for !

God created hell before your cult taught you to deny it.
Do you ever realize this? Or can you even realize it?

Fella, Hell was created for the DEVIL and His followers., initially.

And once Adam fell, he fell into submission to the "god of this world" and this "god" has his offspiring, and they are HELL BOUND..

Who are these children of the Devil?

Its EVERY UNBELIEVER, who is never born again.

Jesus said..." YOU.... (all you unbelievers) of are of YOUR FATHER... THE...., DEVIL, and the Lusts of your father, (sin) YOU WILL DO">

So, God came here to offer Himself as "our Father who art in Heaven", and if He never becomes your father, then you will die and go to yours...

That is the FATE of every unbeliever, .. they will end up with THEIR Father, and HELL was Created for Him, and that is where they will GO. !

 

[brightfame52]

God created hell before your cult taught you to deny it.
Do you ever realize this? Or can you even realize it?

Fella, Hell was created for the DEVIL and His followers., initially.

And once Adam fell, he fell into submission to the "god of this world" and this "god" has his offspiring, and they are HELL BOUND..

Who are these children of the Devil?

Its EVERY UNBELIEVER, who is never born again.

Jesus said..." YOU.... (all you unbelievers) of are of YOUR FATHER... THE...., DEVIL, and the Lusts of your father, (sin) YOU WILL DO">

So, God came here to offer Himself as "our Father who art in Heaven", and if He never becomes your father, then you will die and go to yours...

That is the FATE of every unbeliever, .. they will end up with THEIR Father, and HELL was Created for Him, and that is where they will GO. !

So then Christ didnt die for them going to hell right ? Seems like you agree with me on that.