Difficult questions on sin and consequences and being covered by God/Christ!

[thelord's_pearl]

Hello fellow Christians!

Well I was told that once we are children of God and still sin (I'm talking about unintentional sins), that it is covered by Christ, that He died for our sins because we can't do it on our own.

So I was wondering, what if someone had a hard time not to murder and it is their weakness so it's their unintentional sin so I learned it will be covered by Christ because that's why He died on the cross because we can't do it on our own. So then this person who has a weakness on murder and murders people can still murder and have no consequences because he/she is covered and not "blamed"? Have I learned something wrong??? Am I having a lack of understanding?

And! Are there some sins that will have consequences and other sins that don't have consequences? For example, it seems like murder will have consequences but there are other sins that never have consequences.

Also, are there some sins that you will always have to struggle with? I know the Holy Spirit might help you to stop sinning, but some other kinds of sin that is always going to be your weakness the Holy Spirit cannot help until you get to Heaven???

I want to have a discussion on this matter and these questions as I am confused about it and not clear!

 

[Angelina]

Hello fellow Christians!

Well I was told that once we are children of God and still sin (I'm talking about unintentional sins), that it is covered by Christ, that He died for our sins because we can't do it on our own.

This is true: 1 John 2:1 says, "My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.

So I was wondering, what if someone had a hard time not to murder and it is their weakness so it's their unintentional sin so I learned it will be covered by Christ because that's why He died on the cross because we can't do it on our own. So then this person who has a weakness on murder and murders people can still murder and have no consequences because he/she is covered and not "blamed"? Have I learned something wrong??? Am I having a lack of understanding?

And! Are there some sins that will have consequences and other sins that don't have consequences? For example, it seems like murder will have consequences but there are other sins that never have consequences.

Also, are there some sins that you will always have to struggle with? I know the Holy Spirit might help you to stop sinning, but some other kinds of sin that is always going to be your weakness the Holy Spirit cannot help until you get to Heaven???

I want to have a discussion on this matter and these questions as I am confused about it and not clear!

Murder is not unintentional. First-degree and second-degree murder are classed as "intentional," based on the law.

The lord knows every heart and nothing is hidden in his sight so the Holy Spirit works with each believer according to where they are at. Every believer goes through a sanctification process or walk with God. A new believer for instance, may have some issues dealt with immediately, like a drug or alcohol addiction. Then other sinful habits might take some time, i.e: pornography or gambling. As we grow more in Christ, we may find that our past catches up to us, and we may have to deal with childhood, upbringing, or child abuse issues.

There's a significant difference between a new believer and a mature Christian. What you know (have gained knowledge of) as you grow and read his word, you cannot unknow. So mature Christians tend to be in the "instructions" phase rather than the "Grace" phase, as new believers tend to be. God expects us to mature in Christ and not stay babies in the lord.

 

[HealthyShape]

Hello fellow Christians!

Well I was told that once we are children of God and still sin (I'm talking about unintentional sins), that it is covered by Christ, that He died for our sins because we can't do it on our own.

So I was wondering, what if someone had a hard time not to murder and it is their weakness so it's their unintentional sin so I learned it will be covered by Christ because that's why He died on the cross because we can't do it on our own. So then this person who has a weakness on murder and murders people can still murder and have no consequences because he/she is covered and not "blamed"? Have I learned something wrong??? Am I having a lack of understanding?

And! Are there some sins that will have consequences and other sins that don't have consequences? For example, it seems like murder will have consequences but there are other sins that never have consequences.

Also, are there some sins that you will always have to struggle with? I know the Holy Spirit might help you to stop sinning, but some other kinds of sin that is always going to be your weakness the Holy Spirit cannot help until you get to Heaven???

I want to have a discussion on this matter and these questions as I am confused about it and not clear!

Anything can be forgiven, but the true repentance is needed. I can not find the word repentance in your OP. Maybe this is the important piece you are missing?

Christianity is transformative, it is not living your old life and just receiving unlimited credit or something like that.

 

[Aunty Jane]

Good for you for asking.....questions is how we learn answers but they must come from God’s word.

Well I was told that once we are children of God and still sin (I'm talking about unintentional sins), that it is covered by Christ, that He died for our sins because we can't do it on our own.

First mistake is not taking responsibility for the choice to sin.
We are born sinful, which basically means that we have a propensity to make bad choices and not consider the consequences of our actions.....some of which many last the rest of our lives.

We have to understand the difference between the sin we can’t help (inborn tendencies which are not mental illnesses) and the choices we make to sin, knowing full well that it is wrong before we do it.

We drive this body...it does not drive us. If we allow it to drive us in the mistaken notion that we remain unaccountable because Christ has paid for our sin, we are sadly mistaken.

The day you become a Christian, you become accountable for your choices and actions.
The process of becoming a Christian begins by learning all we can about the teachings of Jesus Christ.
If we can then appreciate what he did in sacrificing his life to pay for our sins, we would be insulting him and devaluing his sacrifice if we continued to sin after we became one of his disciples. That would be like slapping him in the face.

Peter wrote...”Christ suffered for you, leaving a model for you to follow his steps closely.” (1 Peter 2:21)
Does that leave room for any of us to stop following his example?

So I was wondering, what if someone had a hard time not to murder and it is their weakness so it's their unintentional sin so I learned it will be covered by Christ because that's why He died on the cross because we can't do it on our own. So then this person who has a weakness on murder and murders people can still murder and have no consequences because he/she is covered and not "blamed"? Have I learned something wrong??? Am I having a lack of understanding?

Yes...that is a very skewed version of why Christ died and what is expected of one of his disciples.
We are not talking about someone with a mental illness such as you describe. No sane person wants to murder anyone. One would hope that medical help would be available to such a person who would not be left to walk the streets and perhaps murder your mother or sister or child...

We are talking about someone with a weakness...sometimes of the mind or of the flesh, or often both. Does a weakness excuse us? If we have a physical weakness that interferes with our life, we can go to a physical therapist and learn how to strengthen that weakness....so with spiritual weakness, we can go to God in prayer and ask him to strengthen our resolve to refrain from that activity...it may be an addiction to drugs or alcohol or an inordinate sexual desire that never gets satisfied....it may be a propensity to judge others harshly....whatever the problem, the great spiritual physician can give us the ways to strengthen our resolve and maintain a clean conscience as we strive to bring our thoughts and actions in harmony with Christ’s teachings.
If we slip, and pull ourselves up and are genuinely repentant over the matter, we can count on God’s forgiveness, because Jesus sacrifice will cover any sin that is a genuine lapse, and we’re really sorry.

And! Are there some sins that will have consequences and other sins that don't have consequences? For example, it seems like murder will have consequences but there are other sins that never have consequences.

Under God’s law any punishment for sin was in line with the severity of the offence. Murder was punishable by death, but manslaughter can mean that the death was accidental...unintentional. The death penalty was not applied, but a lesser penalty was.

Also, are there some sins that you will always have to struggle with? I know the Holy Spirit might help you to stop sinning, but some other kinds of sin that is always going to be your weakness the Holy Spirit cannot help until you get to Heaven???

I do not have a hope of going to heaven because I do not see that God ever created humans to live in heaven. He prepared this earth so lovingly for us, and the other mortal creatures he created to share life with us here....

He only needed some humans to go to heaven to assist Jesus in his rulership of the redeemed humans that fell victim to Adam’s sin through no fault on their part. He died for all, but not all are chosen for a role in heaven. God will reinstate all that we lost due to the original rebellion.....Jesus came to buy back what Adam forfeited for all of us. That is what redemption means.

I want to have a discussion on this matter and these questions as I am confused about it and not clear!

Please feel free to ask any questions you may have, but understand that you will receive a variety of answers....the truth will be in there somewhere and God will reveal it to you if your heart is sincere, as your questions show.

 

[Deborah_]

So I was wondering, what if someone had a hard time not to murder and it is their weakness so it's their unintentional sin so I learned it will be covered by Christ because that's why He died on the cross because we can't do it on our own. So then this person who has a weakness on murder and murders people can still murder and have no consequences because he/she is covered and not "blamed"? Have I learned something wrong??? Am I having a lack of understanding?

My thoughts:

Sin is always a choice. We all have a bias towards sin, and each of us has a bias towards particular sins - but the element of choice is always there.
I find it hard to consider murder as an "unintentional" sin unless some kind of mental illness or intoxication is involved.
Any sin can be covered by the blood of Christ - IF we repent of it and seek His forgiveness. But to sin carelessly or deliberately believing that "I shall be forgiven for this anyway" is presumption - and Jude tells us that people who "pervert the grace of our God into a licence for immorality" are condemned. Also Jesus' warning in Matthew 7:21-23 comes to mind: "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord' will enter the Kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven."

Also, are there some sins that you will always have to struggle with? I know the Holy Spirit might help you to stop sinning, but some other kinds of sin that is always going to be your weakness the Holy Spirit cannot help until you get to Heaven???

We're never completely free from sin until the day we die. The Holy Spirit motivates and helps us to fight sin, so even our personal "weak spots" can be overcome to some extent. The question is: do we fight against our weaknesses (with His help) or do we just surrender in a fatalistic way?

 

[thelord's_pearl]

As per the same question, what if it was a psychopath? Are they considered not mentally ill? What if it was their weakness like they had a bad upbringing and weren't loved so it's unintentional? Omg all these questions are rushing at me. So will God come to this person who has a weakness on murder and stop the sin whereas someone who has another sin He will not seem to give any consequences??? Does He always stop sins that are deemed very serious but doesn't always stop some other sins??? >confused<

Also, these are hypothetical questions... I am not talking about myself here! I do not have a problem to murder anyone!

 

[ScottA]

Hello fellow Christians!

Well I was told that once we are children of God and still sin (I'm talking about unintentional sins), that it is covered by Christ, that He died for our sins because we can't do it on our own.

So I was wondering, what if someone had a hard time not to murder and it is their weakness so it's their unintentional sin so I learned it will be covered by Christ because that's why He died on the cross because we can't do it on our own. So then this person who has a weakness on murder and murders people can still murder and have no consequences because he/she is covered and not "blamed"? Have I learned something wrong??? Am I having a lack of understanding?

And! Are there some sins that will have consequences and other sins that don't have consequences? For example, it seems like murder will have consequences but there are other sins that never have consequences.

Also, are there some sins that you will always have to struggle with? I know the Holy Spirit might help you to stop sinning, but some other kinds of sin that is always going to be your weakness the Holy Spirit cannot help until you get to Heaven???

I want to have a discussion on this matter and these questions as I am confused about it and not clear!

This indeed is a confusing matter and topic. It is understandable that you question it.

First, understand that on the table before God, is every sin, including murder. As such, yes, it would seem that those having only very minor violations against them are thrown in even with the worst of hardened and evil criminals; and it's true, we are. To a child of God, a babe by comparison, it doesn't seem fair...and yet, it is. It is, because it doesn't actually matter if one put a gun to their head and accidentally pulls the trigger, or does so intentionally, the result is death. Either way, yes, being born into this world for either, means doing hard time on death row. "It is appointed once for mankind to die."

But one born again of the Spirit of God could never again commit the more hanis sins. Which, if one is actually and truly changed--actually born again--only leaves those sins that would seem less to one still trapped in their old, needy, and dying body of sin. In other words, under the circumstances--those circumstances ordered by God that Paul referred to as "we who are alive and remain"--alive in God, but remaining in the world--we are left here with the clear reminder...that we may actually be of service to Him during our time of remaining in this world...with "the knowledge of good and evil"...just as it is written--stated since the beginning by one who knows very well--Satan himself.

 

[Aunty Jane]

As per the same question, what if it was a psychopath? Are they considered not mentally ill? What if it was their weakness like they had a bad upbringing and weren't loved so it's unintentional?

God does not punish illness...he treats it....like any physician would. Those people need help, not punishment. But if it is an intractable problem (not curable) then those ones would have to be separated from society so that they don’t harm anyone else.
We have a medical system for that. If we admit we have a problem and get appropriate help, God will get us through it if we trust in him. He does not do miracles in our day but shows us how to help ourselves, by relying on help from others. It’s not a perfect world yet....but a new one is coming.

Omg all these questions are rushing at me. So will God come to this person who has a weakness on murder and stop the sin whereas someone who has another sin He will not seem to give any consequences??? Does He always stop sins that are deemed very serious but doesn't always stop some other sins??? >confused<

No confusion necessary...God holds no one accountable for past sins committed in ignorance, if the person acknowledges their sins and works to never allow themselves to repeat that error in judgment again, we can be confident that God will forgive us completely. (Isa 1:16-18)

But if the sin is willfull and deliberate, in full knowledge of its consequences, then no one can complain when the sentence is carried out. Justice will be served.

Also, these are hypothetical questions... I am not talking about myself here! I do not have a problem to murder anyone!

LOL...I hope so....

 

[Davy]

Hello fellow Christians!

Well I was told that once we are children of God and still sin (I'm talking about unintentional sins), that it is covered by Christ, that He died for our sins because we can't do it on our own.

So I was wondering, what if someone had a hard time not to murder and it is their weakness so it's their unintentional sin so I learned it will be covered by Christ because that's why He died on the cross because we can't do it on our own. So then this person who has a weakness on murder and murders people can still murder and have no consequences because he/she is covered and not "blamed"? Have I learned something wrong??? Am I having a lack of understanding?

And! Are there some sins that will have consequences and other sins that don't have consequences? For example, it seems like murder will have consequences but there are other sins that never have consequences.

Also, are there some sins that you will always have to struggle with? I know the Holy Spirit might help you to stop sinning, but some other kinds of sin that is always going to be your weakness the Holy Spirit cannot help until you get to Heaven???

I want to have a discussion on this matter and these questions as I am confused about it and not clear!

Per Matthew 12:31, all sin may be forgiven man, EXCEPT blasphemy against The Holy Spirit shall not be forgiven, not in this life nor in the world to come.

That does not mean one will go unpunished for a sin like murder, as Apostle John says there are sins unto death, and sins not unto death.

In 1 Corinthians 5, Paul said to cast out the member from the Church at Corinth for having sexual intercourse with his mother, so that his 'spirit' might be saved in the day of Christ (i.e., Christ's future Millennial reign).

 

[thelord's_pearl]

Per Matthew 12:31, all sin may be forgiven man, EXCEPT blasphemy against The Holy Spirit shall not be forgiven, not in this life nor in the world to come.

That does not mean one will go unpunished for a sin like murder, as Apostle John says there are sins unto death, and sins not unto death.

In 1 Corinthians 5, Paul said to cast out the member from the Church at Corinth for having sexual intercourse with his mother, so that his 'spirit' might be saved in the day of Christ (i.e., Christ's future Millennial reign).

Also, I will add one other scripture, if we do not forgive others their sins, God will not forgiven us our sins.

Doesn't sin unto death just mean sins we commit intentionally? And sins not unto death means sins that are commited unintentionally or ignorantly?

This question didn't seem to get answered...
"So will God come to this person who has a weakness on murder and stop the sin whereas someone who has another sin He will not seem to give any consequences??? Does He always stop sins that are deemed very serious but doesn't always stop some other sins??? >confused< " Thanks a lot!

 

[Aunty Jane]

Also, I will add one other scripture, if we do not forgive others their sins, God will not forgiven us our sins.

So how are we doing in this? God’s forgiveness is absolute...once he has forgiven you, he will never mention it again.....but if you repeat it, in full knowledge of what you are doing unrepentantly....he will not forgive you.

Doesn't sin unto death just mean sins we commit intentionally? And sins not unto death means sins that are commited unintentionally or ignorantly?

It can be, but we have to have a clear idea about what sin is and how serious it can be to God. Penalties always applied such as the case with murder and manslaughter. A life was lost and so a penalty still had to be paid....the latter was a lesser penalty because it was unintentional or accidental.
Premeditated murder indicates intent and malice.

This question didn't seem to get answered...
"So will God come to this person who has a weakness on murder and stop the sin whereas someone who has another sin He will not seem to give any consequences??? Does He always stop sins that are deemed very serious but doesn't always stop some other sins??? >confused< " Thanks a lot!

God doesn’t stop anyone from sinning....that has to be our informed decision.

He does not punish sin in this world, but has instituted legal systems (albeit imperfect ones) to deal with crime and violence and mental health issues. He holds us personally accountable for the decisions we make when we have declared ourselves to be disciples of Jesus Christ, which is what obligates us to walk as he walked, and to live up to what he taught.
We are the ones who make the choice to stop sinning......to refrain from giving into sinful desires and inclinations......because we know better.....we will do better.

 

[thelord's_pearl]

So how are we doing in this? God’s forgiveness is absolute...once he has forgiven you, he will never mention it again.....but if you repeat it, in full knowledge of what you are doing unrepentantly....he will not forgive you.


It can be, but we have to have a clear idea about what sin is and how serious it can be to God. Penalties always applied such as the case with murder and manslaughter. A life was lost and so a penalty still had to be paid....the latter was a lesser penalty because it was unintentional or accidental.
Premeditated murder indicates intent and malice.

God doesn’t stop anyone from sinning....that has to be our informed decision.

He does not punish sin in this world, but has instituted legal systems (albeit imperfect ones) to deal with crime and violence and mental health issues. He holds us personally accountable for the decisions we make when we have declared ourselves to be disciples of Jesus Christ, which is what obligates us to walk as he walked, and to live up to what he taught.
We are the ones who make the choice to stop sinning......to refrain from giving into sinful desires and inclinations......because we know better.....we will do better.

That is not scriptural, God was asked how many times we should forgive others and He said to the effect of something like 70 times 7! Meaning we should be generous with our forgiveness, always being forgiving and then He will forgive us also.

God DOES stop some sins when people get put into jail, prison, etc.

Okay, so what I've got so far is (to bring clarity to myself)...
Murder if intentional is punishable by death by law in some countries, God brings punishment to the person, even death as a sin unto death...
Unintentional murder will be a sin not unto death but God will bring punishment I think due to the severity of the matter?
Some other unintentional sins will be sins not unto death and some will have consequences on the person. Other sins we might have to wait until we get to Heaven? Or not? And what are the reasons some other sins will have consequences and some others don't seem to ever have consequences on the person but will be restored once we get to Heaven? What is the explanation??? Thank you!

 

[thelord's_pearl]

I would say that some sins (or not necessarily sins but hindrances that are not spiritual or Godly which are like sins) God puts a stop to. I don't know why but I think when He tells you, you must stop this, it's because He's protecting you.

So there are some other sins, He won't put a deathly stop to but you still have to stop it now that I think of it, and I think those ones are not for protection but blessings He really wants to unleash to you now and eternally in Heaven that He doesn't want you to miss out on.

So, I'm starting to think that all sins have consequences the person faces and we have to exercise the fruit of the Spirit to hear God and what's the best decision and path in life.

 

[Aunty Jane]

That is not scriptural, God was asked how many times we should forgive others and He said to the effect of something like 70 times 7! Meaning we should be generous with our forgiveness, always being forgiving and then He will forgive us also.

I was speaking about how God forgives us...unless we are repentant, no forgiveness is possible. God never rewards sin.
If someone asks us to forgive them, it is an indication that they are sorry for what they did....we are under obligation to forgive them as God would forgive us. Its not that we keep a notebook recording how many times we have forgiven them and then the time is up. It's really about not keeping account at all.

God DOES stop some sins when people get put into jail, prison, etc.

Well, God has put in place ways to stop people reoffending...jails and prisons....but as most people also know, these are not really places of rehabilitation. In many cases these prisoners are so affected by the prison environment in a dog eat dog situation, they become hardened to sin and they keep repeating their criminal behavior.

Okay, so what I've got so far is (to bring clarity to myself)...
Murder if intentional is punishable by death by law in some countries, God brings punishment to the person, even death as a sin unto death...
Unintentional murder will be a sin not unto death but God will bring punishment I think due to the severity of the matter?

In Israel, when a person was punished for unintentional manslaughter, there were no prisons, so God provided cities of refuge, where that person could flee to escape the avenger, who under the law could take the life of the one who took the life of their kinsman.

There were degrees of manslaughter, where for example someone shoved a person in anger and they fell back and hit their head on a rock and died.....as opposed to someone chopping wood and the ax head flew off and struck them, causing death....the difference between accidental and unintentional manslaughter.

Some other unintentional sins will be sins not unto death and some will have consequences on the person.

All actions have consequences...good or bad. If we are tempted into sexual sin for example, diseases can be passed on and are difficult to treat...or an unwanted pregnancy could result for someone not wanting a child under those circumstances. They might then be tempted to terminate the life they created, resulting in compounding the sin into murder.

Other sins we might have to wait until we get to Heaven? Or not?

I really don't know why so many Christians assume that everyone is going to heaven....that was never God's purpose for humankind who were created to live here on earth forever.
Heaven is not paradise....Eden was paradise.....a specific part of the land where God created a beautiful environment and placed the humans in it with an assignment.....to "fill the earth" (not just the garden) with their children and to "subdue" the land outside the garden, eventually transforming the whole world into into a global garden of Eden....imagine....

If Adam and his wife had not fallen victim to the devil's lies, they would have lived forever here in paradise on earth....still here enjoying life with all their offspring. (Gen 3:22-24)
Going to heaven was only for the elect...a chosen few who would reign with Christ in his Kingdom as rulers and priests (Rev 20:6) with him, bringing all redeemed humanity back to God's original purpose for them. (Rev 21:2-4)

And what are the reasons some other sins will have consequences and some others don't seem to ever have consequences on the person but will be restored once we get to Heaven? What is the explanation??? Thank you!

Those who are chosen for life in heaven are granted immortality on the basis of their unwavering faith unto death.
There will be no sinners in heaven....
Those who are raised back to life on earth, have the ransom sacrifice of Christ to ensure that they will return to life in the promised resurrection. (John 5:28-29) Christ's blood has paid for their sins and they will be raised with a clean slate with none of their former sins held against them. These will be those who died in ignorance, not knowing about the true God or the sacrifice of his Christ to pay for their sins. God holds no one accountable for breaking a law they have never heard of.

So, I'm starting to think that all sins have consequences the person faces and we have to exercise the fruit of the Spirit to hear God and what's the best decision and path in life.

That's it! Each one of us is accountable to God for the things we do if we have identified ourselves as "Christians"...God tells us through his word and the teachings of his Son what is acceptable behavior and what is not....the fruits of the spirit give us advantages that non believers do not possess.

 

[thelord's_pearl]

So when people say that some sins will only be restored when we get to Heaven, I think that's the wrong message. All sins and hindrances that so easily entangles must be stopped here and now and we can ask Jesus, Lord, God to help us, but that Heaven will be restored to its original state of no sin and its consequences once God gives everyone a chance

 

[Aunty Jane]

So when people say that some sins will only be restored when we get to Heaven, I think that's the wrong message. All sins and hindrances that so easily entangles must be stopped here and now and we can ask Jesus, Lord, God to help us, but that Heaven will be restored to its original state of no sin and its consequences once God gives everyone a chance

Yes to most of that.....but I don't believe that all Christians are going to heaven....only the chosen ones will...and its God who does the choosing, so no one can get their nose out of joint for not getting chosen. They are a limited number because they fill positions in a "government" that Isaiah spoke about in Isa 9:6-7.

Life on earth will be so amazing that no one will feel as if they have missed out on something.....we are programmed to live in paradise, so life on earth will finally feel like home....not like some war zone or den of evil where we don't belong. (Rev 21:2-4)

 

[shepherdsword]

Hello fellow Christians!

Well I was told that once we are children of God and still sin (I'm talking about unintentional sins), that it is covered by Christ, that He died for our sins because we can't do it on our own.

So I was wondering, what if someone had a hard time not to murder and it is their weakness so it's their unintentional sin so I learned it will be covered by Christ because that's why He died on the cross because we can't do it on our own. So then this person who has a weakness on murder and murders people can still murder and have no consequences because he/she is covered and not "blamed"? Have I learned something wrong??? Am I having a lack of understanding?

And! Are there some sins that will have consequences and other sins that don't have consequences? For example, it seems like murder will have consequences but there are other sins that never have consequences.

Also, are there some sins that you will always have to struggle with? I know the Holy Spirit might help you to stop sinning, but some other kinds of sin that is always going to be your weakness the Holy Spirit cannot help until you get to Heaven???

I want to have a discussion on this matter and these questions as I am confused about it and not clear!

Paul addressed this dilemma in this way:

Ro 7:14-24 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good. Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

His solution?

Ro 8:1-4 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

So the key to victory is a walk in the Spirit. We are then free from sin in direct proportion to the depth of this walk. How do we get there? I mean we need instructions we can practice.

1) 2 Co 10:3-5
For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh: (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;) Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

2) Php 4:6-8 Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God.And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus. Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.

3) 1 Pe 1:7-9 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ: Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory: Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.

4) 2 Pe 1:4-8 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity. For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.

I am sure others can add more but is you keep and practice these you will overcome:

Rv 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

 

[Davy]

Also, I will add one other scripture, if we do not forgive others their sins, God will not forgiven us our sins.

Doesn't sin unto death just mean sins we commit intentionally? And sins not unto death means sins that are commited unintentionally or ignorantly?

This question didn't seem to get answered...
"So will God come to this person who has a weakness on murder and stop the sin whereas someone who has another sin He will not seem to give any consequences??? Does He always stop sins that are deemed very serious but doesn't always stop some other sins??? >confused< " Thanks a lot!

The definition of 'murder' is about homicide, which means pre-meditated, thought of beforehand. If someone kills someone by accident (like in a bar fight by accident let's say), that is not pre-meditated and per God's law is classified as manslaughter. Under the Old Testament sanctuary cities were provided for those who did manslaughter, and the victim's family seeking revenge was not allowed to go after the person in those sanctuary cities. But in today's courts, judges and lawyers ruling from the bench treat manslaughter like murder putting various degrees on it, and a sanctuary city like a police free zone.

1st degree murder is a sin unto death. That's homicide, pre-meditated. Per the old covenant that always carried the death penalty. Today in the U.S., it depends on the laws of the state. Texas used to have a fast-track law for 1st degree murderers for execution.

Under the New Covenant, this is where many get confused, because Lord Jesus did NOT nail all of God's law on His cross. Jesus nailed the 'writing of ordinances' in the law on His cross, like Col.2 says. That is about the old covenant style worship, blood ordinances, do this, do that, eat this, don't eat that, etc. This is why Apostle Paul actually taught many of God's laws still being in effect under the New Covenant per 1 Timothy 1 and 1 Corinthians 6. Murder of course is one of them.

1 John 5:16
16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
KJV

 

[MatthewG]

I don’t even have thoughts concerning sins anymore… I just know what’s good and bad for me personally.

“All things are lawful for me, but not all things are helpful. All things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.” — 1 Corinthians 6:12
“Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind.” — Romans 14:5
“Blessed is the one who does not condemn himself by what he approves.” — Romans 14:22

God knows my heart. I know when I’m mean or hateful to people.
“The Lord searches all hearts and understands every intent of the thoughts.” — 1 Chronicles 28:9
“Let all bitterness, wrath, anger, clamor, and evil speaking be put away from you… and be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God in Christ forgave you.” — Ephesians 4:31–32
“Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.” — Matthew 12:34

We all fall short. I can talk to God about my issues.
“For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.” — Romans 3:23
“Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need.” — Hebrews 4:16
“Cast your burden on the Lord, and He shall sustain you.” — Psalm 55:22

He already forgave me. There’s no reason to keep trying to ‘change my behavior.’
“In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace.” — Ephesians 1:7
“For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified.” — Hebrews 10:14
“It is finished.” — John 19:30

Changing your behavior doesn’t get you anywhere with God… because God loves the person who struggles with pedophilia, or with murderous thoughts, or with drugs or whatever.
“While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.” — Romans 5:8
“The Lord is near to those who have a broken heart, and saves such as have a contrite spirit.” — Psalm 34:18
“There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear.” — 1 John 4:18
“God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.” — Romans 5:8

Jesus paid for your sins… it’s over.
“He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.” — 2 Corinthians 5:21
“As far as the east is from the west, so far has He removed our transgressions from us.” — Psalm 103:12
“There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus.” — Romans 8:1


All choices have consequences. Whether postive or negative. God himself can cut you back.

 

[Davy]

I don’t even have thoughts concerning sins anymore… I just know what’s good and bad for me personally.

“All things are lawful for me, but not all things are helpful. All things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.” — 1 Corinthians 6:12
“Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind.” — Romans 14:5
“Blessed is the one who does not condemn himself by what he approves.” — Romans 14:22

God knows my heart. I know when I’m mean or hateful to people.
“The Lord searches all hearts and understands every intent of the thoughts.” — 1 Chronicles 28:9
“Let all bitterness, wrath, anger, clamor, and evil speaking be put away from you… and be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God in Christ forgave you.” — Ephesians 4:31–32
“Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.” — Matthew 12:34

We all fall short. I can talk to God about my issues.
“For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.” — Romans 3:23
“Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need.” — Hebrews 4:16
“Cast your burden on the Lord, and He shall sustain you.” — Psalm 55:22

He already forgave me. There’s no reason to keep trying to ‘change my behavior.’
“In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace.” — Ephesians 1:7
“For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified.” — Hebrews 10:14
“It is finished.” — John 19:30

Changing your behavior doesn’t get you anywhere with God… because God loves the person who struggles with pedophilia, or with murderous thoughts, or with drugs or whatever.
“While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.” — Romans 5:8
“The Lord is near to those who have a broken heart, and saves such as have a contrite spirit.” — Psalm 34:18
“There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear.” — 1 John 4:18
“God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.” — Romans 5:8

Jesus paid for your sins… it’s over.
“He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.” — 2 Corinthians 5:21
“As far as the east is from the west, so far has He removed our transgressions from us.” — Psalm 103:12
“There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus.” — Romans 8:1


All choices have consequences. Whether postive or negative. God himself can cut you back.

I'm not even going to try... to touch that. It is too much man-made WORLD philosophy totally unrelated to what God's Word teaches.