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Discussion in 'Christian Theology Forum' started by CoreIssue, May 7, 2019.

  1. "ByGrace"

    "ByGrace" Well-Known Member

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    With that I have no problem, and agree.
     
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  2. marks

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    No, I didn't miss what you said, I simply disagree.

    All that God created in the heavens and the earth He created in 6 days, and rested on the seventh day, and so He told Israel to rest on the seventh day.

    If I take that simple and clear statement as the timeline of creation, I find that everything fits just fine that way.

    You've watched Hovind, without form and empty was part of the creation process. But God didn't stop there, because He made it to me inhabited.

    What does Psalm 104 tell us regarding the creation of the angels?

    And why did Satan sin? What was his sin?

    Much love!
    Mark
     
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    marks Well-Known Member

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    I think the truth is out there!

    Much love!
     
  4. CoreIssue

    CoreIssue Well-Known Member

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    Then you are saying Isaiah lied because he said God did not create the earth empty and void.

    Or that he looked back in time and saw the earth empty of all life and all cities destroyed, which has never happened in human history.

    You say this with absolutely zero record of dinosaurs in the Bible.

    That means you also identify the four living creatures around the throne as Angels when the Bible never says that and the meaning of the words says they are flesh.

    How I look at it has no biblical contradictions and no gaping holes to fill. You cannot say the same.
     
  5. marks

    marks Well-Known Member

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    Hi CoreIssue,

    I am calling Isaiah a liar? No I'm not. That is putting words into my mouth.

    You are saying that I'm calling Isaiah a liar because I disagree with your interpretation of Isaiah's, that is God's word. I don't call Him a liar.

    But your view disagrees with the Exodus passage of the Sabbath day commandmant.

    It cannot be more than 6 days.

    Isaiah said that the earth was not created to be formless and empty. Neither was my home built to be unfinished, and no one living there.

    Before my home was built there were just bags of sand and cement, and stacks of lumber and drywall and such. But it was not meant to be that way. It was meant to be completed into the home I live in.

    So why pull out of hat, "You call God a liar" - oh, Isaiah, but to me it's the same thing.

    What's with that?

    One of those things. Either he saw backward, or his saw forward. But whichever has to agree with the rest of the book.

    And you say a rhino has a tail like a cedar tree. And a Hippo leaves a shining wake in the sea. And so forth.

    The iron plates on the hide, all that, no dinos?

    I'm sorry, what??

    I've not said anything at all about the four living creatures. What is it you ascribe to me?

    6 days, my friend!

    Much love!
    Mark
     
  6. Jon Mathews

    Jon Mathews Active Member

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    Does a hippopotamus or rhinoceros "move it's tail like a cedar"? (Behemoth in Job 40:17)
    Is a whale a "serpent" and "reptile in the sea" (Leviathan in Isaiah 27:1)

    Here are the characteristics of Leviathan, the Sea Serpent reptile. Can this possibly be a whale?
    1) double coat of armor (Job 41:13)
    2) mouth, ringed about with fearsome teeth (Job 41:14)
    3) Its back has rows of shields tightly sealed together (Job 41:15)
    4) Out of his mouth go flaming torches; sparks of fire leap forth. (Job 41:19)
    5) Smoke pours from its nostrils as from a boiling pot over burning reeds (Job 41:20)
    6) Its breath sets coals ablaze, and flames dart from its mouth (Job 41:21)
    7) Its belly is covered with scales as sharp as glass. It plows up the ground as it drags through the mud. (Job 41:30)

    Does a whale breath fire, have scales, have fearsome teeth, or plow up the ground as it drags thru the mud?
     
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  7. Jon Mathews

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    No. Adam was formed on Day 6 (Genesis 1:26-31).
     
  8. CoreIssue

    CoreIssue Well-Known Member

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    45:18 New International Version (NIV)
    18 For this is what the Lord says—
    he who created the heavens,
    he is God;
    he who fashioned and made the earth,
    he founded it;
    he did not create it to be empty,
    but formed it to be inhabited—
    he says:
    “I am the Lord,
    and there is no other.

    This is past tense.
    Isaiah 14:12 New International Version (NIV)
    12 How you have fallen from heaven,
    morning star, son of the dawn!
    You have been cast down to the earth,
    you who once laid low the nations!

    You not saying anything about before living creatures does not mean I cannot and does not make them irrelevant.

    The first two verses had nothing to do with day one.

    Nor can you explain why outer space looks like a battlefield.
     
  9. marks

    marks Well-Known Member

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    Neither of these passages support a gap.

    The particular timing of Satan's fall is not revealed, or, if it is, where?

    God created the earth to be populated, and it is. No issue at all.

    Oh . . . and about me calling Isaiah, or God a liar? Are you still maintaining I am?

    Much love!
     
  10. CoreIssue

    CoreIssue Well-Known Member

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    Nor does any animal that has ever lived.

    It is called figurative language, as in comparing something to a dragon, which is also called the great serpent.

    Like in the KJV saying there were unicorn. A missed translation of a type of goat.

    Water vapor spray looks like steam.

    A Rino has some pretty dangerous plates.
     
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    first thanks for the reply.
    second we must disagree with your assessment. only the "SEXES" was made on day 6. let's see if we can make it clear for you.
    Genesis 2:18 "And the LORD God said, [It is] not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
    Genesis 2:19 "And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought [them] unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that [was] the name thereof.
    Genesis 2:20 "And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him".

    notice man was already here before God formed the animals out of the Ground. because the Man was alone. he, God formed the animals to find adam, the man a "help mate".

    Genesis 1:24 "And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
    Genesis 1:25 "And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that [it was] good.
    Genesis 1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth".

    so Adam was formed before the animals.
    Genesis 2:18 "And the LORD God said, [It is] not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
    Genesis 2:19 "And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought [them] unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that [was] the name thereof.
    Genesis 2:20 "And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him".

    this is clear as day.

    now the water and winged fowl animals was made on day 5, see Genesis 1:20-23. but man/Adam was before these. listen,
    Genesis 2:4 "These [are] the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
    Genesis 2:5 "And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and [there was] not a man to till the ground.
    Genesis 2:6 "But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.
    Genesis 2:7 "And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

    the keyword here is "BEFORE". before the plants, before the herbs, which include grasses, before all of this the LORD God formed man. OK, when did the plants and the herbs/grasses grew?. let's see. Genesis 1:9 "And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry [land] appear: and it was so.
    Genesis 1:10 "And God called the dry [land] Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that [it was] good.
    Genesis 1:11 "And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, [and] the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed [is] in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
    Genesis 1:12 "And the earth brought forth grass, [and] herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed [was] in itself, after his kind: and God saw that [it was] good.
    Genesis 1:13 "And the evening and the morning were the third day.

    so "BEFORE" the grass grew, before the trees grew, the LORD GOD formed the man from the Ground.

    hoped this helped.

    PICJAG
     
  12. CoreIssue

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    Neither do they deny it.

    You're saying that God had to create a chaotic mess for he saying make something good.

    Isaiah denies. So does the creation of the new earth which is made perfect immediately.
     
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    That renders this an argument from silence, a logical fallacy.

    There you are again putting words in my mouth that don't go there.

    I am not saying anything of the kind.

    I wonder how much time I spend on forums debating against what I did not say?

    I do not say that God had to create a mess first.

    I'm saying that I read the creation account and see no reason whatsoever to think it couldn't be just the way it's written.

    Are you saying that none of the days should be literal days same as Israel's Sabbath rest day?

    The birds and creeping things and fishes and oxen and man all created at the same time?

    I see where God made the heaven and the earth, and the earth was formless and empty (not, for instance, broken and ruined), and God gave it the form that pleased Him, separating dry from wet, and so on.

    Much love!
    Mark
     
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    CoreIssue Well-Known Member

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    Then your argument that they do not support it is also an argument from silence a logical fallacy.

    I never put words in your mouth, I simply pointed out where you were wrong and what some of the things you said demanded.

    I pointed out to you God never creates anything a mess that needs fixed or is incomplete.

    And you are expressing your opinion. Opinions do not equal fact until proven.

    The Sabbath has nothing to do with it. You are talking a day that occurred after the six days God reshaped the earth.

    Notice I did not say created since everything he worked with and go six days already existed in a different form.

    Just the way it is written is an opinion which many do not agree with.

    All seven days are literal 24 hour days. And they began in verse three, not one.

    The earth became formless and void by being broken.

    Just like all the meteorites and asteroids in space are the result of something being broken.

    Just like nebulae are the result of something exploding.

    An excellent description of a battlefield is it not?
     
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    Days and years.

    Genesis 1:14 "And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
    Genesis 1:15 "And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
    Genesis 1:16 "And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: [he made] the stars also.
    Genesis 1:17 "And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
    Genesis 1:18 "And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that [it was] good.

    days here is a solar day... 24hr. but a God day is longer. but in order to have a solar day, one must A. have a earth roating, and a star... sun shining. well the sun was made on God day #4. so God days of creation, 1-3 are not a 24hr solar day. based on these facts alone the day of God creation cannot be a 24hr. period of time.

    second the term "Light" in verses 3 & 4 is
    H216 אוֹר 'owr (ore) n-f.
    1. illumination.
    2. (concretely) luminary (in every sense, including lightning, happiness, etc.).

    this light is a Noun and Feminine, which is llumination or to know, or WISDOM.

    the lights in verse 14 to 16 is
    H3974 מָאוֹר ma'owr (maw-ore') n-m.
    מָאֹר ma'or (maw-ore')
    מְאוֹרָה m'owrah (meh-o-raw') [feminine]
    מְאֹרָה m'orah (meh-o-raw')
    1. (properly) a luminous body or luminary.
    2. (abstractly) light (as an element).
    3. (figuratively) brightness, i.e.cheerfulness.
    4. (specifically) a chandelier.

    this is NATURAL light.

    PICJAG.
     
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    "Pre-Adamic Creation"
    You have great insight here Core. I have been reading some of your posts on the link you shared. I will look around that forum...maybe even join it! ;)
     
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    No, I'm making a positive assertion that all was created in 6 days, which is the statement made in the Bible. This is not an argument from silence.

    This is one place:
    You claim I said Isaish lied, and I did not.

    So then does this mean you believe the animals and plants and man were all created at the same time?

    Anyway, this is turning into another of these round and round we go, so I'll leave off here.

    Much love!
     
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    You would be welcome.
     
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    You are expressing your opinion, which you have a right to do.

    That does not mean it is correct
     
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    Irrelevant. God created all creatures.


    While both Hippos and Rhinos are large animals, grass and leafy tree eaters, that dwell near water;
    neither have long tails or tails of strength comparable to a Cedar.

    There is no TERM "dinosaur" in the Bible.

    The TERM "dinosaur" was coined in abt. 1840's by a Scientist, who had discovered very large bones.

    The TERM "dinosaur" means; in Greek:
    Deinos...terrible, or fearful great
    Sauros...lizard, or reptile.

    Lev 11
    [30] And the ferret, and the chameleon, and the lizard, and the snail, and the mole.

    Job 40
    [15] Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox.
    [16] Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the navel of his belly.
    [17] He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together.

    Glory to God,
    Taken
     
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