Do the Ten Commandments still serve a purpose?

[Hobie]

Many say that the Ten Commandments is not serving any purpose it their lives as they are not 'under it', or the OT doesnt need to be studied or apply to Christians as there were just Jews being taught, no Christians, or that they 'follow the spirit' and dont worry about the Ten Commandments. But what was the Ten Commandments for, the Law has a purpose which we find in Gods Word.
1. The law is the schoolmaster that brings one to Christ
2. The law is perfect to convert the soul
3. You can not know what sin is without knowledge of the law. When we tell people they're sinners, they have no idea what sin is if no Law.
4. Repent and believe is the message of the kingdom. Repent from what? Transgression of the law.
And how will one know what to repent of without a knowledge of the law?

 

[Jack]

Nine of the Ten are in the NT.

 

[Earburner]

Many say that the Ten Commandments is not serving any purpose it their lives as they are not 'under it', or the OT doesnt need to be studied or apply to Christians as there were just Jews being taught, no Christians, or that they 'follow the spirit' and dont worry about the Ten Commandments. But what was the Ten Commandments for, the Law has a purpose which we find in Gods Word.
1. The law is the schoolmaster that brings one to Christ
2. The law is perfect to convert the soul
3. You can not know what sin is without knowledge of the law. When we tell people they're sinners, they have no idea what sin is if no Law.
4. Repent and believe is the message of the kingdom. Repent from what? Transgression of the law.
And how will one know what to repent of without a knowledge of the law?

Yes! It's called "Civil Laws". Every country has some form of it, as to what was delivered to Moses by God.

Unfortunately, Israel and some of the world's religions worship The Law.
Becareful that YOU don't.

The Law was never meant to forgive people of sin, or save anyone from the wrath of God, but rather to lead one to repentance, and then to put their belief and faith in Jesus "the Lamb of God", who is the only way unto God for the forgiveness and the removal of sins.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Nine of the Ten are in the NT.

Yep, and here they are....

#1 - Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind (Matthew 22:37)

#2 - Dear children, keep yourself from idols (1 John 5:21)

#3 - Do not swear – not by heaven or by earth or by anything else (James 5:12)

#4 - Not Commanded in the New Testament (sorry bout that SDA peoples!)

#5 - Honor your father and mother (Matthew 19:16-21)

#6 - You shall not murder (Matthew 19:16-21)

#7 - You shall not commit adultery (Matthew 19:16-21)

#8 - You shall not steal (Matthew 19:16-21)

#9 - You shall not give false testimony (Matthew 19:16-21)

#10 - Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, which is idolatry (Colossians 3:5)

 

[Writer]

If you think the Ten Commandments serves no purpose today, then you walk in a Character that seeks recognition and self indulgence. The first premise of the Ten Commandments was to build a Character discipled by God's word embodied in those commandments. They came out of Egypt broken. God would restore them through His word and His discipline as a mighty nation who's language, laws, land, people, and culture would be like no other on earth, and no nation could say that the Jews came from them, but rather by God almighty. The bible is Israel's history book, whether the world likes or not, rejects or not. There is nothing the world can do about it. Over 70 percent of prophecy has been fulfilled through Israel and the metal of it's people, and it all started with the Ten Commandments. The Law that was abolished was the "ANIMAL" blood sacrifice, because Jesus became the Lamb offering from God to man as a means to free man from condemnation and to destroy the works of the devil. Jesus was born in the house of a builder, and Jesus Himself is building Character through His commandments and presence as we walk together with Him toward a place promised to us called the New Jerusalem. At the Red Sea when Israel crossed to the "other side", they sang a new song. We are living that new song through the new testament and the new wine (blood) of the Lamb, because when we're born again, we are a new creation.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

If you think the Ten Commandments serves no purpose today, then you walk in a Character that seeks recognition and self indulgence.

9 of the 10 are in the New Covenant... and the Lord doesn't call them "the 10 Commandments"

Under the New Covenant we are called to be led by the Holy Spirit based on the Law of Christ as we are no longer under the law of Moses which is where the 10 commandments originate from.

 

[quietthinker]

9 of the 10 are in the New Covenant... and the Lord doesn't call them "the 10 Commandments"

Under the New Covenant we are called to be led by the Holy Spirit based on the Law of Christ as we are no longer under the law of Moses which is where the 10 commandments originate from.

What do you do with James's words when he says in...

James 2:10-11
For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it. 11For he who said, “You shall not commit adultery,” b also said, “You shall not murder.” c If you do not commit adultery but do commit murder, you have become a lawbreaker.

Isn't he quoting the Ten Commandments?

 

[Hobie]

Nine of the Ten are in the NT.

Jesus does not say that and we follow Him right?
Matthew 19:17
And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

 

[Jack]

Jesus does not say that and we follow Him right?
Matthew 19:17
And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Nine of the Ten are in the NT, but no Sabbath commands! I don't know of anyone who obeys all of the Law. Many like to preach the Law but not obey it!

 

[Zachariah.]

The True Law is in your heart, which is what the 10 commandments allegorically mean. Your conscience.

This is why Moses was glowing with "white light". He had looked apon God. This is a direct refernce to God (being the sun) and Moses (being the moon). The moon reflects the white light of the sun. And it is also why in older translations of the bible Moses also has horns! They are crescent moons .

The moon is a symbol of the sacred feminine which is an internal quality of emotions. Intuition... conscience...

This is the true place to find Gods Law.

 

[Scott Downey]

Nine of the Ten are in the NT, but no Sabbath commands! I don't know of anyone who obeys all of the Law.

First Day of the Week for Christians is the important day and the day on which they came together to break bread and collect for the saints, as in a church service..

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The Empty Tomb​

20 Now the first day of the week Mary Magdalene went to the tomb early, while it was still dark, and saw that the stone had been taken away from the tomb. 2 Then she ran and came to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and said to them, “They have taken away the Lord out of the tomb, and we do not know where they have laid Him.”

Matthew 28:1 Now after the Sabbath, as the first day of the week began to dawn, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the tomb.

Mark 16:9 Now when He rose early on the first day of the week, He appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom He had cast seven demons.

Acts 20:7 Ministering at Troas
Now on the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul, ready to depart the next day, spoke to them and continued his message until midnight.

1 Corinthians 16:1-3 Collection for the Saints
1 Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given orders to the churches of Galatia, so you must do also:
2 On the first day of the week let each one of you lay something aside, storing up as he may prosper, that there be no collections when I come.

 

[Scott Downey]

What do you do with James's words when he says in...

James 2:10-11
For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it. 11For he who said, “You shall not commit adultery,” b also said, “You shall not murder.” c If you do not commit adultery but do commit murder, you have become a lawbreaker.

Isn't he quoting the Ten Commandments?

v12 is your answer, the law of liberty is not found in obedience to the law of Moses.
We are not JUDGED by the Law of Moses, we are judged by the Law of Liberty.

10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty.

 

[Scott Downey]

In Ancient Times We Had Weeks Of Different Lengths - Ancient Pages

AncientPages.com - Of course, today we are used to a "week" as a 7-day period, but over the course of history the weeks have been as diverse as the people who

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No absolute guarantee that today a Saturday is not actually a Monday or any other day of the week from couple thousand years ago.
Days have been lost and found over millennia.
Ways of counting weeks have changed.
Emperors created new calendars
Months have changed their numbers of days.

 

[BlessedPeace]

Many say that the Ten Commandments is not serving any purpose it their lives as they are not 'under it', or the OT doesnt need to be studied or apply to Christians as there were just Jews being taught, no Christians, or that they 'follow the spirit' and dont worry about the Ten Commandments. But what was the Ten Commandments for, the Law has a purpose which we find in Gods Word.
1. The law is the schoolmaster that brings one to Christ
2. The law is perfect to convert the soul
3. You can not know what sin is without knowledge of the law. When we tell people they're sinners, they have no idea what sin is if no Law.
4. Repent and believe is the message of the kingdom. Repent from what? Transgression of the law.
And how will one know what to repent of without a knowledge of the law?

I think the ten commandments are still relevant today.
Jesus two great commands encapsulate them.
Matthew 22
36 “Teacher, which commandment in the law is the greatest?”[ar] 37 Jesus[as] said to him, “‘Love[at] the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’[au] 38 This is the first and greatest[av] commandment. 39 The second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[aw] 40 All the law and the prophets depend[ax] on these two commandments.” "

 

[quietthinker]

v12 is your answer, the law of liberty is not found in obedience to the law of Moses.
We are not JUDGED by the Law of Moses, we are judged by the Law of Liberty.

10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty.

so why are the 10 commandments not liberty?

 

[Fred J]

1. The law is the schoolmaster that brings one to Christ

, that we might be justified by faith.' Since, we are justified by faith, the Law is no longer applicable.

'In the day when GOD shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my Gospel.'

'And are built upon the foundation of the Apostles and Prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief corner stone; ..........'

'Having abolished in His flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in Himself of twain one new man, so making peace; .............'

2. The law is perfect to convert the soul

Mind you, the law is the 'schoolmaster', and with Paul knew he was a sinner, but did not get conversion through it. Thus, only through grace and faith the gift of GOD poured out in these last days.

Pertaining to the Gospel, except a man be born again, he cannot 'see' the Kingdom of GOD. Furthermore, except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot 'enter' the Kingdom of GOD.

3. You can not know what sin is without knowledge of the law. When we tell people they're sinners, they have no idea what sin is if no Law.

It can be the case, and partially it can't be, for the record.

'For there is no respect of persons with GOD. For as many as have sinned without the law shall also perish without the law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judge by the law; (For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Which show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another - Romans2:11-15

 

[quietthinker]

v12 is your answer, the law of liberty is not found in obedience to the law of Moses.
We are not JUDGED by the Law of Moses, we are judged by the Law of Liberty.

10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty.

It appears you define the 10 C's as lack of liberty and that liberty constitutes something else. Perhaps you could give us the details of how they are lack of liberty?.....unless of course you have your mind set on breaking them when it suits you.....and it seems it is the Sabbath commandment which you are intent on breaking so you use a broad brush and apply it to all ten......then back pedal virtually immediately and say the other nine are still in force.

It's very easy for me to see the contradictory nature of this position and I feel it only snows one who wants to suit him/ her self by dismissing the 10 C's.

Paul tells us in Romans 7:12-13 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.

 

[Scott Downey]

Romans 14​

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The Law of Liberty​

1 Receive one who is weak in the faith, but not to disputes over doubtful things. 2 For one believes he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats only vegetables. 3 Let not him who eats despise him who does not eat, and let not him who does not eat judge him who eats; for God has received him. 4 Who are you to judge another’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand.

(The following applies to keeping the sabbath...)

5 One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; [a]and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it.

He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks. 7 For none of us lives to himself, and no one dies to himself. 8 For if we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. Therefore, whether we live or die, we are the Lord’s. 9 For to this end Christ died [b]and rose and lived again, that He might be Lord of both the dead and the living. 10 But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you show contempt for your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of [c]Christ. 11 For it is written:
“As I live, says the Lord,
Every knee shall bow to Me,
And every tongue shall confess to God.”
12 So then each of us shall give account of himself to God. 13 Therefore let us not judge one another [d]anymore, but rather resolve this, not to put a stumbling block or a cause to fall in our brother’s way.

 

[Scott Downey]

12 So then each of us shall give account of himself to God. 13 Therefore let us not judge one another [d]anymore, but rather resolve this, not to put a stumbling block or a cause to fall in our brother’s way.

People who say the sabbath rest is God's commandment for today put that stumbling block in front of their brother

Paul exposes this also in Colossians 2, in which he specifically mentions the sabbath day and judgment.

Not Legalism but Christ​

11 In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body [h]of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12 buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, 14 having wiped out the [i]handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. 15 Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.

16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a [j]festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the [k]substance is of Christ.

 

[BlessedPeace]

It appears you define the 10 C's as lack of liberty and that liberty constitutes something else. Perhaps you could give us the details of how they are lack of liberty?.....unless of course you have your mind set on breaking them when it suits you.....and it seems it is the Sabbath commandment which you are intent on breaking so you use a broad brush and apply it to all ten......then back pedal virtually immediately and say the other nine are still in force.

It's very easy for me to see the contradictory nature of this position and I feel it only snows one who wants to suit him/ her self by dismissing the 10 C's.

Paul tells us in Romans 7:12-13 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.

Nicely put.

Living and holding to God alone,respect for parents, telling the truth,not being a thief or murderer,remaining faithful in marriage, etc... some argue no longer applies?
How do they forget Jesus reiterated the 10 commands by whittling all they are into 2?