Do they have the mark?

[guysmith]

Do they have the mark?

Zechariah 14:1-5 is a description of Jerusalem in the final days/hours leading up to Christ’s advent. These verses describe a fortress siege where half the inhabitants/survivors are protected by Christ.

My question: Do these survivors that Christ fights for have the mark?

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Zechariah 14:1-5 is not referring to future events. Zechariah 14:1-2 describes events that happened in 70 AD during the Roman destruction of Jerusalem; and verses 4-5 describe a landslide that occurred on the Mt of Olives sometime in the past, possibly when Christ died on the cross.

The possibility needs to be considered that the event described in Zechariah 14:3 occurred during the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD as well. The Hebrew syntax of Zechariah 14:3 can be interpreted as YHWH going forth to battle, not against, but IN the nations (בגוים), which is what happened when YHWH sent forth the consortium of Roman armies and auxiliaries from all nations to battle against Jerusalem on his behalf, as he had forewarned centuries earlier. This interpretation of Zechariah 14:3 fits the context established by the preceding two verses, creates no temporal discontinuity amongst verses 1-3, and is supported by the fact that the same syntax occurs in Zechariah 14:14, where Judah is described in most bible translations as battling IN Jerusalem (בירושלם), not against it. In both cases (verses 3, 14) the prefixed conjunction ב (meaning IN) is used.

 

[afaithfulone4u]

Zechariah 14:1-5 is not referring to future events. Zechariah 14:1-2 describes events that happened in 70 AD during the Roman destruction of Jerusalem; and verses 4-5 describe a landslide that occurred on the Mt of Olives sometime in the past, possibly when Christ died on the cross.

The possibility needs to be considered that the event described in Zechariah 14:3 occurred during the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD as well. The Hebrew syntax of Zechariah 14:3 can be interpreted as YHWH going forth to battle, not against, but IN the nations (בגוים), which is what happened when YHWH sent forth the consortium of Roman armies and auxiliaries from all nations to battle against Jerusalem on his behalf, as he had forewarned centuries earlier. This interpretation of Zechariah 14:3 fits the context established by the preceding two verses, creates no temporal discontinuity amongst verses 1-3, and is supported by the fact that the same syntax occurs in Zechariah 14:14, where Judah is described in most bible translations as battling IN Jerusalem (בירושלם), not against it. In both cases (verses 3, 14) the prefixed conjunction ב (meaning IN) is used.

Are you TRYING to say that this day of the LORD, that will be like no other, when Christ comes with all the saints with him as in Rev 19, where the rapture/caught up, has already happened in 70 ad? And that the apparent description of a nuclear war of those left on the earth was available technology in 70 ad? And that while Christ and the saints are said to fight against those armies... that we understand that THEY(the ungodly armies) WILL do the will of God by killing off their own neighbor at the sound of the Voice of God who's Word does not return void, yet Christ himself nor the saints WITH him raise not a finger on them, they just speak the Word from the sWord of their mouth as the BODY OF CHRIST made in his image of righteousness and justice who come against who hated the love of the TRUTH being the evil who refused to bow to the Word of God?
If Christ had taken over in 70 ad, you would not be seeing the corruption of these LAST DAYS before his return. And I as of yet see representatives from the nations coming up to celebrate the Feast's of YHWH being Tabernacles. The physical temple was destroyed in 70 ad, so that the attention could be put on the erection of the spiritual temple which is made of living stones and is proving to be quite a feat for the temple stones must allow the flesh man to be burned away unto holiness by the washing with the water of the Word as the Spirit cleanses us and raises the babes unto sons in the image of Christ who is the head stone and cornerstone of the Temple.

Zech 14:1-17
14:1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.
8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.
10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin's gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king's winepresses.
11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

13 And it shall come to pass in that day, that a great tumult from the LORD shall be among them; and they shall lay hold every one on the hand of his neighbour, and his hand shall rise up against the hand of his neighbour.
14 And Judah also shall fight at Jerusalem; and the wealth of all the heathen round about shall be gathered together, gold, and silver, and apparel, in great abundance.
15 And so shall be the plague of the horse, of the mule, of the camel, and of the ass, and of all the beasts that shall be in these tents, as this plague.
16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
KJV

Do they have the mark?

Zechariah 14:1-5 is a description of Jerusalem in the final days/hours leading up to Christ’s advent. These verses describe a fortress siege where half the inhabitants/survivors are protected by Christ.

My question: Do these survivors that Christ fights for have the mark?

When Christ and the saints UP in the air with him fight the ungodly armies, yes those on the ground have the mark of the dog's of war, dog eat dog for they still have it in them to kill. Those saints with Christ do not physically fight as you see in Rev. 19 He used the sWord of his mouth being the Word of God to speak and MAN GOES AGAINST MAN. It is the marriage supper of the Lamb better known as the Last Supper or Armageddon the Great Supper of God. The righteousness of the saints is the Wedding Gown of the Bride heavenly Jerusalem. Those who attend the wedding supper shall be blessed because they are up looking down at the dinner plate. Those below ARE the dinner.
Rev 19:8-20:1
8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.
10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.
KJV

Jesus is the King of kings and Lord of lords..... But the Father God Almighty is KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS
Rev 17:14-15
14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
15 And
KJV
Rev 19:15-16
he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
KJV

 

[Trumpeter]

Amen faithful, Zech 14 speaks of a yet to be fulfilled future event.

And Zech 14:12 actually describes the effects of a neutron bomb which only destroys living flesh and leaves buildings and vehicles unharmed.
An interesting side note, it is now rumoured that Iran has developed a biological weapon that has the same effects.

 

[Arnie Manitoba]

Do they have the mark?

Zechariah 14:1-5 is a description of Jerusalem in the final days/hours leading up to Christ’s advent. These verses describe a fortress siege where half the inhabitants/survivors are protected by Christ.

My question: Do these survivors that Christ fights for have the mark?

I see them as folks who "refuse to take the mark"
Many refuseniks have probably already been beheaded (worldwide) .... so these must be a remnant that are still alive.

This is one of those cases where if there is a rapture of the Christians .... later there must be some "new believers" who refuse the mark .... they are required to re-populate the world during the 1000 year reign of Christ.

And of course that is all based on the assumption that those who did take the mark are all killed (before the 1000 years)

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Are you TRYING to say that this day of the LORD, that will be like no other, when Christ comes with all the saints with him as in Rev 19, where the rapture/caught up, has already happened in 70 ad

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Please pay attention. Did I say anything about any verse after verse 5?

 

[Trumpeter]

Please pay attention. Did I say anything about any verse after verse 5?

No you didn't but verse 6 begins with AND which means it is connected with the previous 5 verses so perhaps faithful didn't want it taken out of context.

 

[afaithfulone4u]

Amen faithful, Zech 14 speaks of a yet to be fulfilled future event.

And Zech 14:12 actually describes the effects of a neutron bomb which only destroys living flesh and leaves buildings and vehicles unharmed.
An interesting side note, it is now rumoured that Iran has developed a biological weapon that has the same effects.

That is true my brother Trumpeter, it does not say buildings, just the flesh. What good eyes you have : )

No you didn't but verse 6 begins with AND which means it is connected with the previous 5 verses so perhaps faithful didn't want it taken out of context.

Thank you again Trumpeter,

I was just going to tell him the same thing, that it all pertains to the same event. Only leaving it out could one come to another conclusion but the Word fits together jointly for a reason and that reason is TRUTH the Whole truth and nothing but the truth so help me God.

Do they have the mark?

Zechariah 14:1-5 is a description of Jerusalem in the final days/hours leading up to Christ’s advent. These verses describe a fortress siege where half the inhabitants/survivors are protected by Christ.

My question: Do these survivors that Christ fights for have the mark?

I did misread your post, you are asking if the people in earthly Jerusalem whom God is sending the nation's armies around and whom Christ comes against, are those in Jerusalem of the beastly nature? And the answer is that earthly Jerusalem is going to be ransacked for it is heavenly Jerusalem that is of the promise and Old Israel is dying for his eyes are dimmed, if they do make it through to the end they may be saved or by martyrdom .
Here in Rev.11 we see the seven thousand OT saints who came out of their graves in the earthquake at Christ's resurrection which are the whole house of OT Israel, Ez 37 dry bones, will die in the earthquake(Christ's feet touch in mount of Olives) just after the two witnesses go up, then... those 7,000 die to their bodies, then these remnant of Jews left will now see but they go through the GT.
Rev 11:13
13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
KJV
The mark of the beast is to portray the image of the beast, Cain was in the image of the beast for his father was the Wicked one as we know scripture says. All who partake in evil deeds are spiritually offspring of the devil and they make them selves larger than life as giants to keep the people of God intimidated so they do not come into their rightful inheritance by receiving their promised land. They have all the funds, all the businesses and it seems nothing can touch them, but by the blood and authority of Christ, we have the power if we just take God at His Word to take our promised land by faith.

Here we can see the rejoicing of those of the freewoman heavenly Jerusalem which is our mother, yet we are also of those who are sad for earthly Jerusalem who rejected their Messiah to be born again from above so they did not make the heavenly hope. We are indebted to the Jews for our salvation and our first priority is to bring them out of that covenant of bondage to sinful lifestyles so that they can receive the Spirit and be set free of needing all those laws accumulated upon them again. Only lawless people need laws up over them. Before (Rapture, Caught up) the GT her children(man child) is caught up and out of harms way and the womb of our mother heavenly Jerusalem is shut by God.
Isa 66:7-10
7 Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child.
8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.
9 Shall I bring to the birth, and not cause to bring forth? saith the LORD: shall I cause to bring forth, and shut the womb? saith thy God.
10 Rejoice ye with Jerusalem, and be glad with her, all ye that love her: rejoice for joy with her, all ye that mourn for her:
KJV

1 Peter 2:9-10
9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.
KJV

If anyone hates Jerusalem and are willing to harm her or a Jew, then they are an enemy to God, notice you must be one who mourns for her loss. God has the right to be angry with His covenant people, but we do not.


Even though the Old covenant is passing away, there are still natural Jews who are still under it in covenant with God till they pass on.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

No you didn't but verse 6 begins with AND which means it is connected with the previous 5 verses so perhaps faithful didn't want it taken out of context.

The fact that verses 4-5 have already occurred completely invalidates the notion that all of Zechariah 14 is future.

 

[JB_Reformed Baptist]

Do they have the mark?

Zechariah 14:1-5 is a description of Jerusalem in the final days/hours leading up to Christ’s advent. These verses describe a fortress siege where half the inhabitants/survivors are protected by Christ.

My question: Do these survivors that Christ fights for have the mark?

Assuming you mean the seal of God, then it appears as a ridiculous question. Would christ fight for another? Assuming you're not being a trickster they would have the MARK/seal of God in their foreheads. Assuming there's a future fulfillment of this prophecy, in which there seems to be a consensus by the experts.

 

[Trumpeter]

The fact that verses 4-5 have already occurred completely invalidates the notion that all of Zechariah 14 is future.

This speaks of The Lords 2nd coming. Are you implying that He has returned already?

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

This speaks of The Lords 2nd coming. Are you implying that He has returned already?

If you would like to avoid a continued ignorance in this matter click the Mystery of Azal link below in my signature, then open your mind.

 

[guysmith]

To clarify: The mark-of-the -beast.

 

[veteran]

Do they have the mark?

Zechariah 14:1-5 is a description of Jerusalem in the final days/hours leading up to Christ’s advent. These verses describe a fortress siege where half the inhabitants/survivors are protected by Christ.

My question: Do these survivors that Christ fights for have the mark?

Possibly, they will have God's sealing mark, The Holy Spirit. But at what stage in the end time events would they be sealed by God, because Zechariah 14 is about the day of Christ's return and thereafter? Remember Revelation 7.