The Bible speaks of two Baptisms, "water" and "Spirit" baptisms.
You do know that a person can also drown in water (as in a flood), yes?
There is only one baptism that saves (Ephesians 4:5; Titus 3:5) and you have indicated "water" above in (Mark 16:16). I suggest you read this passage very, very carefully because nowhere is "water" mentioned! It is only a sign.!!!
"Speaking the Truth brings glory to God" and you are correct, of course.
Let's see how well do you know your Scripture since you brought up Mark 16:16. There are five signs that are written in Mark 16:17-18, can you expound on each sign after they believed?
P.S. What happens to children and adults alike, who are incapacitated and do not have the ability to understand because of illness or other? Are they lost? What kind of a salvation program is that?
In fact, it is possible for them to become saved BECAUSE salvation is of God.
To God Be The Glory
Hello JunChosen,
Yup, you are right. There are two baptisms. And you are right that the word water is not mentioned at all in Mark 16:16 when referring to baptism.
What happens in Mark 1 JunChosen? In Mark 1, when Jesus was baptized with water, the Holy Spirit descended upon Him. But you have been taught that when we are baptized with water the Holy Spirit does not descend upon us!!! Is it possible that Jesus was setting the example of what happens to us when we are water baptized? Jesus was
baptized with water and the Holy Ghost descended upon him. Your men have taught that the
baptism mentioned in Mark 16 DOES NOT refer back to the baptism, with water, in Mark 1.
Peter taught water baptism! In 1 Peter 3 he equates baptism with water and it being salvific. In Acts 2 he said be baptized and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. He said that AFTER the crowd said they believed in Jesus. So they believed, he then told them to repent AND be baptized and they will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Peter DID NOT say believe, repent and you will automatically receive the Holy Spirit. He said after you believe, repent and be BAPTIZED and you will receive the Holy Spirit. Even though Jesus said that no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of
water and the Spirit your men have taught you that water (baptism) and Spirit do not equate.
In Acts 19 it STRONGLY suggests they were baptized in water AND it says they received the Holy Spirit when
Paul laid his hands upon them. How is that possible JunChosen? I mean if we can't receive the Holy Spirit via water, how can a man's hands do that?????? But you are (mis)using Paul's words in Ephesians 4:5 to suggest that water baptism DOESN'T do anything???
Paul wrote Titus and vs 3:5 says washing (which is what baptism with water is) of rebirth (born again, John 3:5) and renewal by the Holy Spirit. But your men have taught you that "washing" doesn't mean with water??? And Paul in previously mentioned Acts 19 equated water baptism being necessary. And Paul was water baptized and said he water baptized. But water baptism means NOTHING and doesn't bring the Holy Spirit??????? You have clearly misused Paul's words..........
The earliest historical Christian writings we have from almost 2,000 years ago equate water baptism with receiving of the Holy Spirit. But your 500-year-old men have taught you that in Mark 16, when the word baptism is written, it does not mean with water since the word water was not used? Fascinating.....
Scripture says that water baptism saves you. 1 Peter 3 equates baptism to water and it being salvific. When you receive the gift of the Holy Spirit, whether thru water or laying on of hands, (as Paul did) you are saved. One doesn't cancel out the other.
Incapacitated persons who do not have the ability to understand because of illness or other problems are
saved via grace.
Speaking the Truth brings glory to God....Marymog
