Do you think only people aged 25 should be allowed to use and own guns?

[bluedragon]

Was I giving you my “opinion” or was I showing you what God’s word says? I think it’s rather obvious…
Try your excuses on the one who is appointed to judge all of us……You have have ignored a lot of scripture in order to keep your weapons…..man’s laws can contravene God’s laws and the apostles showed us whose laws must come first. (Acts 5:27-29)


Amazing the depths that people will sink to to justify the unjustifiable.
There is no law to prohibit hunting for food. There is no law of God specifically related to the use of weapons……my Grandson has a license for his guns.…..a knife has multiple uses, so does a hammer….most of them are good, but if someone uses a knife or a hammer to murder someone, then it’s not the weapon, but the person using it for evil purposes.…same with guns.

What God’s law does speak about specifically, is the taking of human life. (Gen 9:4-6) So owning or using a weapon designed exclusively to take human life, such as packing a handgun or using weapons designed to kill humans ‘en masse’ (bombs, bazookas, ICBM’s, IED’s, etc)….these could not possibly have God’s sanction, though they surely have man’s. Have you noticed how heinous weaponry has become in these last days?

Understood and admired .....What scripture applies that says throw away your weapons?

Where did the Bible stand when David used a sling shot to slay the giant? Plenty of evidence in the Bible that proves we are not to go on bended knee when facing a threat or enemy .......

 

[Aunty Jane]

Understood and admired .....What scripture applies that says throw away your weapons?

Do you recall when Jesus told his unarmed apostles to sell things to buy swords? They came back with two and Jesus said “it is enough”. Do you know what happened next?
An armed mob came to arrest Jesus and Peter impetuously drew his sword and cut off the ear of the slave of the High Priest. Jesus rebuked him and told him to put his sword away……he didn’t tell them to buy swords in order to take on an armed mob, but to fulfill a prophesy.

“Return your sword to its place, for all those who take up the sword will perish by the sword. 53 Or do you think that I cannot appeal to my Father to supply me at this moment more than 12 legions of angels? 54 In that case, how would the Scriptures be fulfilled that say it must take place this way?” (Matt 26:52)
What prophesy was he fulfilling by having his disciples armed?

Isaiah 53:12…..
“12 For that reason I will assign him a portion among the many,
And he will apportion the spoil with the mighty,
Because he poured out his life even to death
And was counted among the transgressors;
He carried the sin of many people,
And he interceded for the transgressors.“

Where did the Bible stand when David used a sling shot to slay the giant? Plenty of evidence in the Bible that proves we are not to go on bended knee when facing a threat or enemy .......

You cannot compare Israel‘s situation to Christianity…..Many things changed under the new covenant.
Jesus said…
“You heard that it was said: ‘You must love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 However, I say to you: Continue to love your enemies and to pray for those who persecute you”. (Matt 5:43-44)
Where is the sanction to kill an enemy? Can you love your enemy with a weapon?

Different ball game.

 

[bluedragon]

Do you recall when Jesus told his unarmed apostles to sell things to buy swords? They came back with two and Jesus said “it is enough”. Do you know what happened next?
An armed mob came to arrest Jesus and Peter impetuously drew his sword and cut off the ear of the slave of the High Priest. Jesus rebuked him and told him to put his sword away……he didn’t tell them to buy swords in order to take on an armed mob, but to fulfill a prophesy.

“Return your sword to its place, for all those who take up the sword will perish by the sword. 53 Or do you think that I cannot appeal to my Father to supply me at this moment more than 12 legions of angels? 54 In that case, how would the Scriptures be fulfilled that say it must take place this way?” (Matt 26:52)
What prophesy was he fulfilling by having his disciples armed?

Isaiah 53:12…..
“12 For that reason I will assign him a portion among the many,
And he will apportion the spoil with the mighty,
Because he poured out his life even to death
And was counted among the transgressors;
He carried the sin of many people,
And he interceded for the transgressors.“

You cannot compare Israel‘s situation to Christianity…..Many things changed under the new covenant.
Jesus said…
“You heard that it was said: ‘You must love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 However, I say to you: Continue to love your enemies and to pray for those who persecute you”. (Matt 5:43-44)
Where is the sanction to kill an enemy? Can you love your enemy with a weapon?

Different ball game.

You disappoint me. I was waiting on "Turn the other cheek." LOL

 

[Aunty Jane]

The You disappoint me. I was waiting on "Turn the other cheek." LOL

That too, but that instruction was about our response to provocation, not self defence. A slap is intended as an insult, so if it provokes you to retaliate, then you have not learned self-control from the Master. That is a fruit of God’s spirit.
Gal 5:22-23...
“....the fruitage of the spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faith, 23 mildness, self-control. Against such things there is no law.”

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

I look at stats ......Australia didn't do such a hot job of buying back a majority of guns on the street .....The majority of guns are still out there waiting ....

Meanwhile, you've deemed yourself judge over all Christians .....Pity ...

Look at all the Australian who have been shot after they stole our Guns off us !
The Criminals have Guns !
I know of people with a Gun Licence That i would not give them a Gun myself because they are not mature enough in the head to have such a thing regardless of what age.

I think we need to of done 3 years in the Army for everyone, you weed out the idiots that way and strengthen the minds of those who need such. We need responsible people not trash that the Government pander too.

Weaklings and deranged people are being pandered to by Socialist Governments.

 

[Rella ~ I am a woman]

I hear this often…..’it’s not the guns, its the people who own them’…..but it’s “people with guns” who kill more people deliberately than anyone….even if it is by suicide, often they will take others with them.

It’s true, but the stats indicate that as a civilized nation, the USA has more gun deaths than any other nation that can claim democratic world supremacy. To suggest that a failed nation like Brazil has more gun crime than the US, is a bit of a joke.

Australia has strict gun laws and even with gang violence, and illegal weapons, our death rate per capital is nothing close to what the US has to endure. How can you send your children to school and not be worried that some bullied child will not snap and take their parent’s weapon to school to take revenge on the ones who tormented them?

It seems as if Americans have more to fear from their own citizens than they do from any outside threat….

Well, as crazy as this seems... in the city (I have not been to since before covid) they are changing gun use.
Not the police or politicians... but the bad guys.

They are often now using knives....

In fact a few months ago someone had stopped at a corner and was leaning into the window of a police car
to talk or ask a question and someone walking by and stabbed that person.

No one ever said if the stabber was caught or not.

And it got me thinking.... EVERYONE has a knife available at home.... EVERYONE has a knife available if they are eating at any of the popular steak houses, and steal it. Granted you need to be closer to use a knife then a gun.... but then again they are not traceable and can even be bought on Amazon....

 

[bluedragon]

That too, but that instruction was about our response to provocation, not self defence. A slap is intended as an insult, so if it provokes you to retaliate, then you have not learned self-control from the Master. That is a fruit of God’s spirit.
Gal 5:22-23...
“....the fruitage of the spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faith, 23 mildness, self-control. Against such things there is no law.”

My comment was a test. "Turn the other cheek" Is not meant to be passive. It is a challenge for the Roman period. If a superior struck you, he used the back of his hand. You are beneath him. Now turn your head and expose the other cheek. If he strikes you with the palm of his hand ......he just told the world you are his equal.

 

[Aunty Jane]

My comment was a test. "Turn the other cheek" Is not meant to be passive. It is a challenge for the Roman period. If a superior struck you, he used the back of his hand. You are beneath him. Now turn your head and expose the other cheek. If he strikes you with the palm of his hand ......he just told the world you are his equal.

Thank you for that explanation, which may have some merit, but in context, Jesus prefaced his counsel with what his Jewish audience already knew from their Holy Scriptures. He said: “You heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye and tooth for tooth.’ However, I say to you: Do not resist the one who is wicked, but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other also to him”. (Matt 5:38-39)

The passages Jesus referred to are found at Exodus 21:24 and Leviticus 24:20. In harmony with God’s Law, the “eye for eye” retribution mentioned in those scriptures was properly administered only after an offender had stood trial before the priests and judges who weighed the circumstances and the degree of deliberateness of the offense. (Deuteronomy 19:15-21)

In time the Jews distorted the application of this law, using it as grounds for authorising private resentments, and all the excesses committed by a vindictive spirit. Revenge was often carried to an extreme degree, and more evil was returned than what had been received. The Scriptures, however, did not authorize personal vendettas.

Jesus’ teaching regarding ‘turning the other cheek’ reflects the true spirit of God’s Law to Israel. Jesus did not mean that if his followers are struck on one side of the face, they should stagger to their feet and offer the other side as a target. As I mentioned, in Bible times, (and in more modern history) a slap was not intended to injure physically, but was an insult intended to provoke a reaction, a confrontation. (In past centuries, a duel was initiated by a slap on the face.)

On those grounds, I believe that Jesus meant......if one person tried to goad another into a confrontation with a literal slap—or with stinging sarcasm—the person slapped should avoid retaliating. Instead, he should attempt to avoid what could become a vicious circle of rendering “evil for evil”. (Romans 12:17)

I prefer to allow the Bible to provide my explanations....

 

[bluedragon]

Thank you for that explanation, which may have some merit, but in context, Jesus prefaced his counsel with what his Jewish audience already knew from their Holy Scriptures. He said: “You heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye and tooth for tooth.’ However, I say to you: Do not resist the one who is wicked, but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other also to him”. (Matt 5:38-39)

The passages Jesus referred to are found at Exodus 21:24 and Leviticus 24:20. In harmony with God’s Law, the “eye for eye” retribution mentioned in those scriptures was properly administered only after an offender had stood trial before the priests and judges who weighed the circumstances and the degree of deliberateness of the offense. (Deuteronomy 19:15-21)

In time the Jews distorted the application of this law, using it as grounds for authorising private resentments, and all the excesses committed by a vindictive spirit. Revenge was often carried to an extreme degree, and more evil was returned than what had been received. The Scriptures, however, did not authorize personal vendettas.

Jesus’ teaching regarding ‘turning the other cheek’ reflects the true spirit of God’s Law to Israel. Jesus did not mean that if his followers are struck on one side of the face, they should stagger to their feet and offer the other side as a target. As I mentioned, in Bible times, (and in more modern history) a slap was not intended to injure physically, but was an insult intended to provoke a reaction, a confrontation. (In past centuries, a duel was initiated by a slap on the face.)

On those grounds, I believe that Jesus meant......if one person tried to goad another into a confrontation with a literal slap—or with stinging sarcasm—the person slapped should avoid retaliating. Instead, he should attempt to avoid what could become a vicious circle of rendering “evil for evil”. (Romans 12:17)

I prefer to allow the Bible to provide my explanations....

Well done "applaud" .....I go a step further to understand the culture.

 

[Aunty Jane]

Well, as crazy as this seems... in the city (I have not been to since before covid) they are changing gun use.
Not the police or politicians... but the bad guys.

They are often now using knives....

In fact a few months ago someone had stopped at a corner and was leaning into the window of a police car
to talk or ask a question and someone walking by and stabbed that person.

No one ever said if the stabber was caught or not.

And it got me thinking.... EVERYONE has a knife available at home.... EVERYONE has a knife available if they are eating at any of the popular steak houses, and steal it. Granted you need to be closer to use a knife then a gun.... but then again they are not traceable and can even be bought on Amazon....

Forensics is very sophisticated these days and guns used in crimes are easily linked to the perpetrators, but knives are a different kettle of fish. By the wound inflicted, they can usually tell the length and width of the blade, perhaps indicating the type of knife used, but tracing a knife back to a perp is not so easy. They are cheap and easily disposed of.

Anything can be used as a weapon by an assailant...even a baseball bat or a shovel, can kill someone.
A gun, however gives the perp a distance advantage so that a sniper with a scope can pick off a victim without being anywhere near them. A true cowards weapon.

When we see the wickedness behind the use of weapons, especially those designed to use in warfare, mass murder is the motivational force behind their design and manufacture...taking as many lives as possible in one hit.
Training pilots with virtual screens takes away the reality of what they are really doing.....killing other humans who are just like themselves.....someone’s brother/sister, Father/mother.......puppets for their greedy governments, laying down their lives for what?

When “Christians” are indoctrinated to also be patriots, love of one’s nation can replace one’s love of God.
We have no sanction to take life, even if our governments tell us to do so for their own agendas....”we obey God as ruler rather than men”.....loyalty to God must come first. (Acts 5:29)

 

[bluedragon]

Forensics is very sophisticated these days and guns used in crimes are easily linked to the perpetrators, but knives are a different kettle of fish. By the wound inflicted, they can usually tell the length and width of the blade, perhaps indicating the type of knife used, but tracing a knife back to a perp is not so easy. They are cheap and easily disposed of.

Anything can be used as a weapon by an assailant...even a baseball bat or a shovel, can kill someone.
A gun, however gives the perp a distance advantage so that a sniper with a scope can pick off a victim without being anywhere near them. A true cowards weapon.

When we see the wickedness behind the use of weapons, especially those designed to use in warfare, mass murder is the motivational force behind their design and manufacture...taking as many lives as possible in one hit.
Training pilots with virtual screens takes away the reality of what they are really doing.....killing other humans who are just like themselves.....someone’s brother/sister, Father/mother.......puppets for their greedy governments, laying down their lives for what?

When “Christians” are indoctrinated to also be patriots, love of one’s nation can replace one’s love of God.
We have no sanction to take life, even if our governments tell us to do so for their own agendas....”we obey God as ruler rather than men”.....loyalty to God must come first. (Acts 5:29)

That logic says we all should be learning to speak Chinese ......

 

[Aunty Jane]

That logic says we all should be learning to speak Chinese ......

As we are to be “no part of the world” (John 17:16; John 18:36) by meddling in its dirty politics, “the world” will do what it will, and because all that transpires is by God’s permission, we can leave the “vengeance” up to him. We are not to fight in such skirmishes.
Does your faith stretch that far? Can you trust that God has everything under his control, even when that is not apparent? He is all seeing and all knowing, so nothing escapes his notice…..yet there are times when for his own reasons he allows the devil a relatively free hand, such as he did with Job. Yet As he showed with the test that he allowed Job to endure, God permitted the devil to go so far and no further. 1 Corinthians 10:13 proved true in his case, and it will in ours if we have the faith to back up what we were taught by Christ and his apostles.

2 Cor 10:3-5….
“3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not wage warfare according to what we are in the flesh. 4 For the weapons of our warfare are not fleshly, but powerful by God for overturning strongly entrenched things. 5 For we are overturning reasonings and every lofty thing raised up against the knowledge of God,+and we are bringing every thought into captivity to make it obedient to the Christ”.

Our weapons are spiritual…..and more powerful than anything man has invented.

Paul also wrote….
”17 Return evil for evil to no one. Take into consideration what is fine from the viewpoint of all men. 18 If possible, as far as it depends on you, be peaceable with all men. 19 Do not avenge yourselves, beloved, but yield place to the wrath; for it is written: “‘Vengeance is mine; I will repay,’ says Jehovah.” 20 But “if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink; for by doing this you will heap fiery coals on his head.” 21 Do not let yourself be conquered by the evil, but keep conquering the evil with the good.”

Is that an impossible thing to do when your enemy is more powerful than you are, but not more powerful than your God? And you can do as Paul said by not becoming vengeful or mean spirited, no matter how mistreated you are.
Cultivating the fruitage of the spirit, (Gal 5:22-23) means not reacting to the political situation (no matter what happens) by supporting one side of satan’s world against another (1 John 5:19)….and breaking God’s law to do so? Being patriotic means that we can’t see past who is really ruling this world, and who is behind all the violence and bloodshed.
Do we have sanction from God or Jesus, for “Christians“ to take up weapons for any reason to do harm to anyone? I can’t find any….

 

[bluedragon]

As we are to be “no part of the world” (John 17:16; John 18:36) by meddling in its dirty politics, “the world” will do what it will, and because all that transpires is by God’s permission, we can leave the “vengeance” up to him. We are not to fight in such skirmishes.
Does your faith stretch that far? Can you trust that God has everything under his control, even when that is not apparent? He is all seeing and all knowing, so nothing escapes his notice…..yet there are times when for his own reasons he allows the devil a relatively free hand, such as he did with Job. Yet As he showed with the test that he allowed Job to endure, God permitted the devil to go so far and no further. 1 Corinthians 10:13 proved true in his case, and it will in ours if we have the faith to back up what we were taught by Christ and his apostles.

2 Cor 10:3-5….
“3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not wage warfare according to what we are in the flesh. 4 For the weapons of our warfare are not fleshly, but powerful by God for overturning strongly entrenched things. 5 For we are overturning reasonings and every lofty thing raised up against the knowledge of God,+and we are bringing every thought into captivity to make it obedient to the Christ”.

Our weapons are spiritual…..and more powerful than anything man has invented.

Paul also wrote….
”17 Return evil for evil to no one. Take into consideration what is fine from the viewpoint of all men. 18 If possible, as far as it depends on you, be peaceable with all men. 19 Do not avenge yourselves, beloved, but yield place to the wrath; for it is written: “‘Vengeance is mine; I will repay,’ says Jehovah.” 20 But “if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink; for by doing this you will heap fiery coals on his head.” 21 Do not let yourself be conquered by the evil, but keep conquering the evil with the good.”

Is that an impossible thing to do when your enemy is more powerful than you are, but not more powerful than your God? And you can do as Paul said by not becoming vengeful or mean spirited, no matter how mistreated you are.
Cultivating the fruitage of the spirit, (Gal 5:22-23) means not reacting to the political situation (no matter what happens) by supporting one side of satan’s world against another (1 John 5:19)….and breaking God’s law to do so? Being patriotic means that we can’t see past who is really ruling this world, and who is behind all the violence and bloodshed.
Do we have sanction from God or Jesus, for “Christians“ to take up weapons for any reason to do harm to anyone? I can’t find any….

Nowhere in the Bible does it say to surrender to the "darkness"

This entire approach is surrender .......

The old joke about a flood and the homeowner is sitting on his rooftop. A man in a canoe comes by "God will save me" Then a power boat "God will save me"

The man drowns and arrives at the gates of heaven. "God, why did you not hear my plea?"

"I sent you a canoe and a boat."

 

[Aunty Jane]

Nowhere in the Bible does it say to surrender to the "darkness"

There is something much more powerful than any weapon.....it’s called “faith”.
Paul outlined the armour we need and the only sword he spoke about was “God’s word”.
Why do you need more?

This entire approach is surrender .......

The old joke about a flood and the homeowner is sitting on his rooftop. A man in a canoe comes by "God will save me" Then a power boat "God will save me"

The man drowns and arrives at the gates of heaven. "God, why did you not hear my plea?"

"I sent you a canoe and a boat."

LOL....I can’t recall reading that in the Bible......must have come from somewhere, or someone else.....

God gave us his word....and he says that we do not need to fight in order to defend our nation or ourselves if it involves offensive weapons. The use of such weapons betrays intent to kill......not something a Christian can do in any situation. Jesus showed us how to respond to those who wish us harm....he walked away. He did not defend himself or carry a weapon of any sort even though his enemies wished him dead. Self defence is permissible in any given situation, but it does not need deadly weapons to accomplish it.

In the wars of the nations, if the clergy are present and supporting the bloodshed even though they are not participating in it themselves, they are salving the consciousness of those who are taking human lives, many of them innocent victims of war. Does God recognise ‘collateral damage’ when it’s a woman or child who just happened to be where a bomb or missile exploded? Who invented the term “friendly fire” for those accidentally killed by their own trigger happy soldiers?

In the two world wars of last century, when both sides claimed to be Christians...whose side was God on?
He is never on the side of disobedience and lack of faith. The world will do what it will, but that has nothing to do with us, because we are told to be “no part of the world”. (John 17:16; 18:36)

 

[mailmandan]

BREAKING NEWS!

Active shooter situation in Maine, hospital says 'mass casualty, mass shooter' event

Active shooter situation in Maine, hospital says 'mass casualty, mass shooter' event

Local law enforcement in Maine is responding to an active shooting situation at two locations, ordering residents to shelter-in-place.

www.foxnews.com

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Everyone has the right to defend themselves from being attacked regardless of what age they are.

I remember a South African i know said that he shot someone who came into their yard with intent.

I remember even when i was a child and going to other friends place, that their was always a gun behind a door when you lived out on a Farm. and if a child was left at home you could be sure to know that that child will shoot anyone who tried to come into the house or steal anything off the farm. you may of got a warning shot if you were lucky. but a 10 yo is capable to blow someone away with a 22 at least.
I had a 22 and a slug gun at 10 yo.

 

[Triumph1300]

Do you think only people aged 25 should be allowed to use and own guns?

Well.....maybe not the 40 year old ones in Maine!

A suspect in the fatal shooting of 18 in Maine is still at large. Residents are sheltering in place

Authorities searched forests, waterways and small towns Thursday for a U.S. Army reservist who they say killed 18 people and wounded 13 in a mass shooting at a bowling alley and a bar that sent panicked patrons scrambling under tables and behind bowling pins and gripped the entire state of Maine...

www.cp24.com