Do you think American society has gone more towards the Left or the Right in recent years?

[LouisWilliams]

Lots of people in American today are extremely polarized and divided, even among Christians. The heart of the "debate" is whether American politics and society have become more left-wing or right-wing in recent years. And I want to hear the views of other older users here who have voted in much earlier elections and witnessed some of the huge societal changes firsthand.

It's a curious issue, if you look at our most recent Republican President, look at his accusations by women of assault, and his general rhetoric, it is true that he does seem more "extreme" than for example, Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush, both of whom seemed to be quiet and religious men who placed strong value on family and faith.

But if you take a step back at look at society at large, it does seem that the USA has also gone culturally far to the left, even our movies and TV shows are a thousand times more sexual and vulgar and violent than they were in decades past, never mind the video games of today. Our mainstream media, our colleges and schools, our entertainment and Hollywood, our primary corporations, they are ALL overwhelmingly left-wing today and dominates the default narrative. Our young adults today proudly support extreme feminism, black nationalism, abortion, cancel culture, victimhood and identity politics, and lots of other things arguably fundamentally opposed to true Christian principles and spiritual values, and they are spiraling towards a severe mental health crisis; they are also hopelessly addicted to drugs, alcohol and social media, and are mostly responsible for much of the gun killings in the schools, while religion and spirituality continues its steady decline. Even lots of our Christian leaders have become more left-wing, for example, it is perfectly normal nowadys for some Christian ministers to cheer for abortion because of women's rights or something.

Losing their religion: why US churches are on the decline

As the US adjusts to an increasingly non-religious population, thousands of churches are closing each year – probably accelerated by Covid

www.theguardian.com

Christianity in America is declining, but here's why that gives this podcasting priest hope

Father Mike Schmitz, a Roman Catholic priest and podcaster, said he remains hopeful despite the decrease in the number of Americans who identify as Christian.

www.foxnews.com

I don't know...I just think that both sides are beginning more extreme and unbalanced. I'm tired of Democrats' policies because in my state, there is so much violent crime that it's not really safe for families to be outside at night in some places, but I don't know what it's like in Republican states right now.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Lots of people in American today are extremely polarized and divided, even among Christians. The heart of the "debate" is whether American politics and society have become more left-wing or right-wing in recent years. And I want to hear the views of other older users here who have voted in much earlier elections and witnessed some of the huge societal changes firsthand.

It's a curious issue, if you look at our most recent Republican President, look at his accusations by women of assault, and his general rhetoric, it is true that he does seem more "extreme" than for example, Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush, both of whom seemed to be quiet and religious men who placed strong value on family and faith.

But if you take a step back at look at society at large, it does seem that the USA has also gone culturally far to the left, even our movies and TV shows are a thousand times more sexual and vulgar and violent than they were in decades past, never mind the video games of today. Our mainstream media, our colleges and schools, our entertainment and Hollywood, our primary corporations, they are ALL overwhelmingly left-wing today and dominates the default narrative. Our young adults today proudly support extreme feminism, black nationalism, abortion, cancel culture, victimhood and identity politics, and lots of other things arguably fundamentally opposed to true Christian principles and spiritual values, and they are spiraling towards a severe mental health crisis; they are also hopelessly addicted to drugs, alcohol and social media, and are mostly responsible for much of the gun killings in the schools, while religion and spirituality continues its steady decline. Even lots of our Christian leaders have become more left-wing, for example, it is perfectly normal nowadys for some Christian ministers to cheer for abortion because of women's rights or something.

Losing their religion: why US churches are on the decline

As the US adjusts to an increasingly non-religious population, thousands of churches are closing each year – probably accelerated by Covid

www.theguardian.com

Christianity in America is declining, but here's why that gives this podcasting priest hope

Father Mike Schmitz, a Roman Catholic priest and podcaster, said he remains hopeful despite the decrease in the number of Americans who identify as Christian.

www.foxnews.com

I don't know...I just think that both sides are beginning more extreme and unbalanced. I'm tired of Democrats' policies because in my state, there is so much violent crime that it's not really safe for families to be outside at night in some places, but I don't know what it's like in Republican states right now.

I would call it Anti-Christ in it's function, of both major Party's it's the same deal going down in Australia by both the major Party's !
They are Trash and useless numbskulls, they are a majority of Party dupes that just go along with the flow of trends.
No one out in front Leading with the brains to truly direct the Nation forward and upward for the future as a Healthy Nation to prosper. as it will all fall and fail going down the Path they are heading nowadays for sure.

Trump could of save the USA but the Swamp was bigger and he got trapped in the bog swallowing him up.

Satanist are in charge for sure as all the West Nations are dominated by such deranged trash. Who are totally leading the Nations down the drain both body and Soul, they are scoundrels period !

 

[Gandalf-]

The absolute vast majority of American culture, in just about every category is liberal. There are a few hold out categories and groups, but even if not outnumbered, are corrupted.

Take our various large, in name only, protestant denominations which have adopted gay clergy, and or prayer time with drag queens, gay marriage, etc.., and one will see we are decidedly left.

And of course one can look to the large amount of lying fake RINO's who count as left as well, in spite of any lying protests they might make otherwise.

Is this really a question? Or one with an expected outcome, because so many on the right are fake, added to our already vastly left culture in every other way.

Thanks for the question though, I needed a good laugh

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Waaay left…

 

[Gandalf-]

Waaay left…

 

[pompadour]

I have said it before and I will say it again " Woodstock " Aug 1969 is when the country turned left and never looked back.

 

[Gandalf-]

I have said it before and I will say it again " Woodstock " Aug 1969 is when the country turned left and never looked back.

You are 100% correct, when America turned hardcore left. But it started even before then. Spiritism was very popular by the mid 1800's, and many recreationally thought they could talk to the dead. Houdini and his wife even wanted to know, so he gave his wife a codeword he would speak to her, if he died first, and could reach back out to her. No one ever spoke their codeword to her, even though falsely claiming to speak to her on behalf of her dead husband Houdini.

And lets not forget Aleister Crowley and H.P. Blavatsky, etc.., who arrived in the height of occultism, as did the Nazi's etc.., as well. Pastor John MacArthur taught on the heavy occultism of Hitler, and the Nazi's which the west, by the way, from the Nuremburg Trials and on, tried to keep hidden for as long as they could.

And it was in the 1950's where Congress legalized softcore ponography, which gave rise to Playboy in 1953, etc.., and actresses in Hollywood starting to do softcore porn in their "artform" in the 1960's

And Rock has always been hardcore demonic, though very few people admit tothat as well.

Faustian pacts: musicians said to have made deals with the Devil – HERO

Satanic verses

hero-magazine.com

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

You are 100% correct, when America turned hardcore left. But it started even before then. Spiritism was very popular by the mid 1800's, and many recreationally thought they could talk to the dead. Houdini and his wife even wanted to know, so he gave his wife a codeword he would speak to her, if he died first, and could reach back out to her. No one ever spoke their codeword to her, even though falsely claiming to speak to her on behalf of her dead husband Houdini.

And lets not forget Aleister Crowley and H.P. Blavatsky, etc.., who arrived in the height of occultism, as did the Nazi's etc.., as well. Pastor John MacArthur taught on the heavy occultism of Hitler, and the Nazi's which the west, by the way, from the Nuremburg Trials and on, tried to keep hidden for as long as they could.

And it was in the 1950's where Congress legalized softcore ponography, which gave rise to Playboy in 1953, etc.., and actresses in Hollywood starting to do softcore porn in their "artform" in the 1960's

And Rock has always been hardcore demonic, though very few people admit tothat as well.

Faustian pacts: musicians said to have made deals with the Devil – HERO

Satanic verses

hero-magazine.com

Yes so many things were hidden regarding the Nazis by Australian Government as well, it was clearly not open inviting to be educated on the subject at all, but for simple indoctrination schooled by idiots.
I learnt much more from people I met asking questions who were involved or lived under such.

I always had a great interest in the why of WW2 from when I was maybe 5yo because my mum hated the Germans and I knew old people would talk about the War in a group always after a Party. much more informative than any school taught dribble because one could ask questions to someone who lived through it and knew. than some weed school teacher who had lacked virtue who could not care at all but for nonsense they peddled out of a book for grading you for marks. The majority that was just useless rubbish that I had no interest in because such did not serve the Why ! Why was the issue with me that I wanted and the rest is not the main issue.
If you know Why then the rest could become of much more of an interest. Like hey this other jibber is or could be of interest that's worthy to get a handle on the subject at hand, as now one can put it all together.

I was into Judo as soon as I could join up and this teaches people reality about ones self, so you are not delusional of who you are and where you are at ? One will be challenged so not to be just some dreamer with false perceptions of reality.
I would hear people say how they were going to attack someone ? they are going to do X, Y and Z and he will go down. I would say oh really ! what if that does not go as to plan ? Dream shattered and reality may kick in, maybe.

I was seeking about reality and that brought me to Christianity because I love to seek. I am a sceptical person maybe more than anyone that I know and when I understand something I try to fine tune that.

 

[mailmandan]

The radical left seems determined to transform the United States into a Godless, borderless, marxist, socialist, disarmed, Sodom and Gomorrah America under Satan.

Ever since 2020, I feel like America has entered the Twilight Zone. Normal is not coming back, but Jesus is. Come quickly Lord Jesus!

 

[ButterflyJones]

For me, America made an obvious Left when our nomenclature began to devolve to the contrary.

Before, "dope" referred to illegal drugs.Then, seemingly all of the sudden it was a term of regard, positivity.

Another example, the racist N word slur. Still a slur in its usual spelling or pronunciation. Yet, again, a term of regard or defining a compatriot solely because the N words last consonant , the "r", was replaced by a vowel, "a".

Then the label intended and with implemented success, Political Correctness, entered in.

Which is kind of funny, ironic(?), considering the change in nomenclature that preceded it.

Now, we learned freedom of speech was not free if the spoken word could be found offensive to someone.

The "rule" of self-censorship was to consider what I say isn't important. How what I say may be received by a listener is.

Jobs were lost over such things. Then Orwellian style training courses arrived. Such programs reminiscent of the old USSR and Marxist ideology.

Then morality started to be abridged in the name of tolerance for immorality.

A direct offense against Christian religious values in this nation where the faithful have always been let to believe was grounded in New Testament Biblical principals.

Secular government decreed Homosexuals had the right to enter into a state civil union contract, marriage.

It's only a matter of time I think before the Federal government threatens churches with closure if they do not allow gays the right to Christian marriage ceremonies on church property.
The Constitution then relegated to a thing of the past.

Yes, America I think is going down the Left hand path and further and further away from "rightness".

Pray. We are but visitors here. Nothing can truly threaten us.

 

[Jack]

Daniel 4
The Most High rules in the kingdom of men, Gives it to whomever He will, And sets over it the lowest of men.

 

[ButterflyJones]

Daniel 4
The Most High rules in the kingdom of men, Gives it to whomever He will, And sets over it the lowest of men.

And the question then is, why?

 

[Lambano]

Do you think the USA has gone more to the Left or the Right in recent years?​

Both. The Left has moved further left, and the Right has moved further right. And there is no more center to hold it together.

The US is not one society; it's multiple cultures living in close proximity to and interacting with each other..

 

[pompadour]

And the question then is, why?

Judgment day. It is mentioned many times in the Bible. Being in the flesh is a test to see what you are made of and who you will fallow. And then there is Jesus, thank God for Jesus and His saving Grace.

Do you think the USA has gone more to the Left or the Right in recent years?​

Both. The Left has moved further left, and the Right has moved further right. And there is no more center to hold it together.

The US is not one society; it's multiple cultures living in close proximity to and interacting with each other..

God said " don't mix the races " There in lye's the problem.

 

[amigo de christo]

I have said it before and I will say it again " Woodstock " Aug 1969 is when the country turned left and never looked back.

and the stink from that agenda would make right gaurd take a left as in left the building . its bad my friend .
Do not heed the liberal agenda at all .

 

[amigo de christo]

The radical left seems determined to transform the United States into a Godless, borderless, marxist, socialist, disarmed, Sodom and Gomorrah America under Satan.

Ever since 2020, I feel like America has entered the Twilight Zone. Normal is not coming back, but Jesus is. Come quickly Lord Jesus!

Yes HE IS . and even so COME LORD JESUS .

 

[ButterflyJones]

Judgment day. It is mentioned many times in the Bible. Being in the flesh is a test to see what you are made of and who you will fallow. And then there is Jesus, thank God for Jesus and His saving Grace.

God in his sovereign omniscience sets the lowest of men in power over us so that we can be tested as to whom we will choose to follow and obey?

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

For me, America made an obvious Left when our nomenclature began to devolve to the contrary.

Before, "dope" referred to illegal drugs.Then, seemingly all of the sudden it was a term of regard, positivity.

Another example, the racist N word slur. Still a slur in its usual spelling or pronunciation. Yet, again, a term of regard or defining a compatriot solely because the N words last consonant , the "r", was replaced by a vowel, "a".

Then the label intended and with implemented success, Political Correctness, entered in.

Which is kind of funny, ironic(?), considering the change in nomenclature that preceded it.

Now, we learned freedom of speech was not free if the spoken word could be found offensive to someone.

The "rule" of self-censorship was to consider what I say isn't important. How what I say may be received by a listener is.

Jobs were lost over such things. Then Orwellian style training courses arrived. Such programs reminiscent of the old USSR and Marxist ideology.

Then morality started to be abridged in the name of tolerance for immorality.

A direct offense against Christian religious values in this nation where the faithful have always been let to believe was grounded in New Testament Biblical principals.

Secular government decreed Homosexuals had the right to enter into a state civil union contract, marriage.

It's only a matter of time I think before the Federal government threatens churches with closure if they do not allow gays the right to Christian marriage ceremonies on church property.
The Constitution then relegated to a thing of the past.

Yes, America I think is going down the Left hand path and further and further away from "rightness".

Pray. We are but visitors here. Nothing can truly threaten us.

It's the workings of Satan at work.

Being an Australian and remembering that people in the USA could not then use the N word was seen as a total Joke to all Australians at the time, we has a saying, that sticks and stones may brake my bones but names will never hurt me. and that was used in the school yard many a time. It was like well, Oh yes that your opinion but if it's not true, who cares !
The person making the statement is not worthy or is wrong ? so that has no regard regardless. so no regard for such because one is a fool. he has just made a fool of himself in fact. so why should one bother giving such the time of day ?

But now it's like a spastic order that is deranged and nothing to do with true reality, but childish 5yo displays ! You said X, So what ! if it's true that's where it ends because such is a fact, But ! the world has been tossed into the 5yo basket, that is full of 5 year olds in the brain, much like Communism sees the people as, all on one level as 5 year olds in the brain, not worthy beyond such ! and why ? well because anyone who is a Communist, is on the same level mentality. that's why they believe that everyone is demanded equal ! but the fact is that no one is equal at all in fact.

We are all equal under God, but the Satanist bastardise that real issue, creating another bastardising intent that drives their own barrow. Is a child molester equal to you ? a thief ? Does one allow such with such an intent in to your house ? is he your equal, no ! such a one is a Slave to Sin but you are free ? because you have Christ Jesus in you and you in him, their is a huge void between the two.

Do Socialist truly promote Christ Jesus, no they don't ! Communist ? what do they promote, they are the gods ! of mans works. out right insanity !

 

[pompadour]

It's the workings of Satan at work.

Being an Australian and remembering that people in the USA could not then use the N word was seen as a total Joke to all Australians at the time, we has a saying, that sticks and stones may brake my bones but names will never hurt me. and that was used in the school yard many a time. It was like well, Oh yes that your opinion but if it's not true, who cares !
The person making the statement is not worthy or is wrong ? so that has no regard regardless. so no regard for such because one is a fool. he has just made a fool of himself in fact. so why should one bother giving such the time of day ?

But now it's like a spastic order that is deranged and nothing to do with true reality, but childish 5yo displays ! You said X, So what ! if it's true that's where it ends because such is a fact, But ! the world has been tossed into the 5yo basket, that is full of 5 year olds in the brain, much like Communism sees the people as, all on one level as 5 year olds in the brain, not worthy beyond such ! and why ? well because anyone who is a Communist, is on the same level mentality. that's why they believe that everyone is demanded equal ! but the fact is that no one is equal at all in fact.

We are all equal under God, but the Satanist bastardise that real issue, creating another bastardising intent that drives their own barrow. Is a child molester equal to you ? a thief ? Does one allow such with such an intent in to your house ? is he your equal, no ! such a one is a Slave to Sin but you are free ? because you have Christ Jesus in you and you in him, their is a huge void between the two.

Do Socialist truly promote Christ Jesus, no they don't ! Communist ? what do they promote, they are the gods ! of mans works. out right insanity !

Ecclesiastes 10.7 I have seen servants upon horses, and princes walking as servants upon the earth.

 

[ButterflyJones]

It's the workings of Satan at work.

Being an Australian and remembering that people in the USA could not then use the N word was seen as a total Joke to all Australians at the time, we has a saying, that sticks and stones may brake my bones but names will never hurt me. and that was used in the school yard many a time. It was like well, Oh yes that your opinion but if it's not true, who cares !
The person making the statement is not worthy or is wrong ? so that has no regard regardless. so no regard for such because one is a fool. he has just made a fool of himself in fact. so why should one bother giving such the time of day ?

But now it's like a spastic order that is deranged and nothing to do with true reality, but childish 5yo displays ! You said X, So what ! if it's true that's where it ends because such is a fact, But ! the world has been tossed into the 5yo basket, that is full of 5 year olds in the brain, much like Communism sees the people as, all on one level as 5 year olds in the brain, not worthy beyond such ! and why ? well because anyone who is a Communist, is on the same level mentality. that's why they believe that everyone is demanded equal ! but the fact is that no one is equal at all in fact.

We are all equal under God, but the Satanist bastardise that real issue, creating another bastardising intent that drives their own barrow. Is a child molester equal to you ? a thief ? Does one allow such with such an intent in to your house ? is he your equal, no ! such a one is a Slave to Sin but you are free ? because you have Christ Jesus in you and you in him, their is a huge void between the two.

Do Socialist truly promote Christ Jesus, no they don't ! Communist ? what do they promote, they are the gods ! of mans works. out right insanity !

In America politically correct speech is said to follow a rule of self censorship and consideration before speaking aloud.

Courses intended to impart the message, freely speaking your mind cannot be tolerated in the name of sensitivity, ensued years ago. Someone's feelings may get hurt and we can't have that. So you must be taught how to speak properly, not freely.

Curtailing free speech naturally imparts the message to the subconscious that imparts mind control and curbing of free thought. Because ideally we think before we speak.

It gets so bad in some spheres here that if you refuse to accommodate someone's gender pronoun preference, or fail to agree to omit any nuance that may imply gender, you can be written up by H. R , Human Resources, at work. Penalties for non-compliance can be steep.

Grade school children are and have for years been indoctrinated into that new model of sensitivity training. Universities and Colleges are so far gone as to often be labeled higher education Leftist indoctrination centers. The lower grades already are. That's government education for you.

No longer is a straight woman labeled straight.

She's Cisgender, which means the same thing. However the new label implies we are in alignment with all those artificial genders labels that have now in every way hyphenated the sex identity that is only in truth, male or female. Trans-gender, pansexual, etc...


Years ago Facebook, of course that would be where this starts in social media, offered over 60 options for one to choose from when labeling ones gender. Now there are 71.

Reading through that first list it was obvious they merely shuffled the words about so to 'identify' as the same thing when the words were shuffled differently three lines back.

We're to tolerate this. Yet, there is no tolerance for those who refuse.

Wild isn't it?

Tolerate my telling you I am gender non-conforming. But don't expect me to tolerate you insisting there are only 2 God created sexes. Otherwise your label is gender phobic.

Apparently, refusing to follow the immoral herd means we're afraid (phobic) of the herd identities.

https://www.facebook.com/NoesiumPad/photos/a.877514175962624/880307785683263

There's a classic fictional film entitled, IT'S A MAD, MAD, MAD,MAD WORLD.

Yes, yes it is. And it doesn't return to normal when the credits finish rolling and the house lights go up.

Oops, did I say that after it came to mind?

I'm going to need attend a sensitivity training seminar so to stop injecting the word 'classic' into a sentence. Someone might take that to mean old, and feel offended because they're reading this while 80 years of age.


No soup for me!