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Dan Clarkston
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Since the answer is YES, why would anybody want to entertain anything from the NO point of view?
That's just listening to satan looking as this from the NO point of view which is satan's position.
Dan Clarkston
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Just because the Lord has an assignment on someone does not mean they are not free to reject the calling the Lord has on their life.
Paul still had to submit himself to the Lord and if he had not he would have been lost and gone to hell and the Lord would have fulfilled that calling in some one else's life.
They Lord always has someone else that He can use to get His will done.
CadyandZoe
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I don't think Galatians 1:15 proves 'predestination' as such, but I believe the phrase 'from my mother's womb' shows the extent of God's role in Paul's life. It suggests that God arranged Paul's life circumstances, upbringing, education, personality, commitment to the truth, and position in history in a unique way, all to equip Paul for his unparalleled role as the Apostle to the Gentiles.
In Paul's mind, he is the "thing molded" and so are we.
Rella ~ I am a woman
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God can certainly make good from any adverse situation when He choses to... but I cannot believe he creates the adverse situation so He can make good.
Now does He play around with things to His own amusement and benefit. YES... Look how many time he hardened pharaoh's heart
I would say we are being made into Jesus image from the power within our heart/ spirit ...by the Living Holy Spirit...he is the one who is at work in us.
What do you mean by molded?
by "God's Foreknowledge".
Chosen by Foreknowledge to be predestined to be conformed.
See, its "pre-destined" according to Foreknowledge...
Not pre-destined to be born again, or predestined to not be born again, as John The Devil Calvin, teaches., by redefining "God's fore-knowing" as "God causes, or God pre-destines".
The NT does not teach "Foreknowledge" as "predestined".
Its Calvin who created that misrepresentation., and TULIP evolved it as "Hyper Calvinism"
God knows who are his.
God also knows who will try and override His word.
Ephesians 1:4-6
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
God also knows who will try and override His word.
Ephesians 1:4-6
King James Version
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
| Verse (Click for Chapter) King James Bible Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you. New King James Version You did not choose Me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit, and that your fruit should remain, that whatever you ask the Father in My name He may give you. American Standard Version Ye did not choose me, but I chose you, and appointed you, that ye should go and bear fruit, and that your fruit should abide: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you. Berean Study Bible You did not choose Me, but I chose you. And I appointed you to go and bear fruit—fruit that will remain—so that whatever you ask the Father in My name, He will give you. |
Eternally Grateful
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If God makes you Born Again via His Living Spirit, then NO you have NO choice..
Because they were chosen and predestined to be Born Again.
The natural man wouldn’t understand any of this as the words of God are spiritually discerned...which is a gift from God....discernment that is.
He knows those who only understand from their own human logic.
God knows those who don’t understand.
Because they were chosen and predestined to be Born Again.
The natural man wouldn’t understand any of this as the words of God are spiritually discerned...which is a gift from God....discernment that is.
He knows those who only understand from their own human logic.
God knows those who don’t understand.
Eternally Grateful
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Sorry,
This does not make God out to be a very loving God.
he gives you no choice.. Thats not from God.. at least not the God of the Bible. Who from the time of creation has given men a choice
You don’t understand as I wrote above.
God gave me NO choice when I became Born Again..he chose me for his purpose and his plan.
Yes, it is from God’s written word...you do not choose to be Born Again...
Nowhere does he say the time of creation he gave you a choice.
A Choice to do what?
CadyandZoe
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I think God has a purpose for every life and he shapes our life to suit that purpose.
CadyandZoe
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"Foreknowledge" as it pertains to God means "to be known previously," and to be "known" of God is to be in a covenant relationship with Him. It is not, as some say, that God looked down through history to discover someone to predestine.
Predestination is to establish the destiny of someone before they are born.
Eternally Grateful
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Actually yes I do
Um yes he did, he gave Jonah the choice Jonah could have died in that fish, like you could have died in your sin.
John 1, John 3, John 4 John 5 and John 6 destroy this thinking
i can chose to allow God to save me, or chose to remain dead in my sin.
God will not overrule my free will.
CadyandZoe
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Eternally Grateful
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I would agree except for the fact the scripture also tells us how a person is born into that state. So in order for someone to be predestined to enter that state, the thing that caused them to enter tht state must occure.
What God did is know before hand who would recieve that gift, and who would not.
Eternally Grateful
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