DOES NO ONE WANT TO BE CORRECTED?

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And worse, most seem determined to defend those foretold realities of false doctrines on a grand scale, to the death.

It is absolutely crazy that there is such a disregard for the warnings--when they too are written and true!

The LORD came to earth and walked among us = Immanuel, God with us!

JESUS did miracles before the eyes of all in Israel and yet the Temple holders felt as if they were being insulted by the poor carpenter's son from the lowly town of Nazareth.

Today, the world looks at the Roman Catholic Church with all it's splendor and earthly glory and
say: "Wow, this must be of God and the Pope is so holy!"

Christian denominations try to mimmick the display of the Vatican with their own little houses of worship.
Pastors want to be heard and seen on TV, Radio, Books and now Internet/Phone.
Money and notoriety to be made in the name of God.
Worse of all is that the people love to have it this way!!!

Nothing wrong with preaching and writing books that glorify God.
As long as those teachings, preachings and books speak the Truth as "It is written".

Today, my wife heard the christian radio station mocking the Saints who know what is going on in the governments around the world.


"And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another.
Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many.
And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold."
 
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If the person was both serious and shows themselves to be knowledgeable and could present their side of things well I could (and I have) changed my mind on a few things and have gained a better understanding because of it. The hard part is finding these people who are those things (have a correct understanding) and who can (without the twisting the scripture and interjecting way too much to get you there) can help open something up to you to a greater degree than what you might currently be catching a particular thing. I love that when I find that, its both encouraging and beneficial (to me anyway) although its kind of rare and so that experience is kind of rare.

But I hear what you are sayin though (per the joke its all become). You really do need to seek the Lord and learn from him. Its just nice to find the other too.
I like that--yes, when it's good, it really good!

However, when considering our own circumstances, it is so important to remember what the precedence of Christ's first coming looked like...and the gross mistakes made by those who thought they knew better. Among the good examples of what it looked like, was the response to Jesus saying “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you"; and Nicodemus--(gotta love Nicodemus!)--sneaking out under cover of darkness to question Jesus, who then likely went away scratching his head. And now...if we think we are not likely to repeat their failures and lack of understanding--surely, we already have.
 
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I like that--yes, when it's good, it really good!

However, when considering our own circumstances, it is so important to remember what the precedence of Christ's first coming looked like...and the gross mistakes made by those who thought they knew better. Among the good examples of what it looked like, was the response to Jesus saying “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you"; and Nicodemus--(gotta love Nicodemus!)--sneaking out under cover of darkness to question Jesus, who then likely went away scratching his head. And now...if we think we are not likely to repeat their failures and lack of understanding--surely, we already have.

I am probably missing the connection between what I have said and what you might be saying here, can you clarify a little bit more for me?
 

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I am probably missing the connection between what I have said and what you might be saying here, can you clarify a little bit more for me?
The "correction" topic of this thread, is a real and biblical problem, not unlike what occurred with Israel during Jesus' first advent. Learning from that all important precedent, we of the gentiles and church, ought to be expecting a repeat of their failures. "First to the Jew, and then to the Greek."

But gauging by the tone and response of needed "correction"--even in this one thread, we are in big trouble. If one were to have asked the Priests and Pharisees of Jesus' time, if they were on the right track and of good understanding regarding God, their response is now evidenced by what is written. They were as far off as was even possible--even crucifying Messiah. And we are next. We are the next "fold" of which Jesus "must also bring"...and there is little or no evidence that the church suspects they could be equally, totally wrong--even when that outcome was foretold and written. Talk about blindness!
 

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The "correction" topic of this thread, is a real and biblical problem, not unlike what occurred with Israel during Jesus' first advent. Learning from that all important precedent, we of the gentiles and church, ought to be expecting a repeat of their failures. "First to the Jew, and then to the Greek."

But gauging by the tone and response of needed "correction"--even in this one thread, we are in big trouble. If one were to have asked the Priests and Pharisees of Jesus' time, if they were on the right track and of good understanding regarding God, their response is now evidenced by what is written. The were as far off as was even possible--even crucifying Messiah. And we are next. We are the next "fold" of which Jesus "must also bring"...and there is little or no evidence that the church suspects they could be equally, totally wrong--even when that outcome was foretold and written.
The blindness of heart is on most, if not all, of these forums/threads...........no one comes to the FATHER but thru LJC
 
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The "correction" topic of this thread, is a real and biblical problem, not unlike what occurred with Israel during Jesus' first advent. Learning from that all important precedent, we of the gentiles and church, ought to be expecting a repeat of their failures. "First to the Jew, and then to the Greek."

But gauging by the tone and response of needed "correction"--even in this one thread, we are in big trouble. If one were to have asked the Priests and Pharisees of Jesus' time, if they were on the right track and of good understanding regarding God, their response is now evidenced by what is written. They were as far off as was even possible--even crucifying Messiah. And we are next. We are the next "fold" of which Jesus "must also bring"...and there is little or no evidence that the church suspects they could be equally, totally wrong--even when that outcome was foretold and written.

Thank you, okay I think I understand what you are saying.

Sure seems like the same kind of arena in many ways
 

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I would like to add this out of interest.....although it's totally off topic..
I have noticed for some time many of the threads I subscribe to or post in do not come up with alerts/ notifications. This is one of them and as I said, among many.
Basically, it often means I am cut out of the conversation at some point and wonder if this occurs to others?
So my question, what or who controls the responses at any given time or topic?
 
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I would like to add this out of interest.....although it's totally off topic..
I have noticed for some time many of the threads I subscribe to or post in do not come up with alerts/ notifications. This is one of them and as I said, among many.
Basically, it often means I am cut out of the conversation at some point and wonder if this occurs to others?
So my question, what or who controls the responses at any given time or topic?

As far as I am aware I have missed couple posts myself (which I later caught) but I think I just overlooked whatever was in that little bell thingy. I don't know what that is, an alert or a notification, not sure. If there were any more I might have missed I am not even aware of it.
 

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Apparently not. Things are looking a whole lot like the time of Jesus' first coming, when the Priests, Leaders, and Pharisees thought they were beyond reproach. And when Jesus went about correcting them, the established leaders rejected Him.

Then came the times of the church and of "the spirit of anti-Christ already at work" during those early days when Jesus had "somewhat against" 5 out of the 7 churches mentioned in Revelation; Peter foretold of "false teachers" bringing "destructive doctrines" into the church; and Paul foretold the believing of a "lie" causing "strong delusion" and great apostacy. And yet few if any seem to have taken it to heart--that corrections would need to come, or the church would be found apostate.

And worse, most seem determined to defend those foretold realities of false doctrines on a grand scale, to the death.

It is absolutely crazy that there is such a disregard for the warnings--when they too are written and true!

Those 7 churches weren't just for that time. It applies to now too and the generations that will follow after.

The book of Proverbs tells you that you need learn and know how to be in correction. Many teachings in the Proverbs point it out. This flies over many people's heads. It's not easy to be corrected and receive it, but you have to for the sake of gospel and to be better in Christ.

Many people are wise in their own conceit. One of the reasons for it.
 

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You are speaking of what has come to fruition within the church, but denying that it has--and this you do against what is written. So, no, you are not going "by All Scripture=Holy Bible which is the truth."
Fair enough, now proof to us where in the scripture is written Apostle Paul lies?

Thank you
 

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You are speaking of what has come to fruition within the church, but denying that it has--and this you do against what is written. So, no, you are not going "by All Scripture=Holy Bible which is the truth."
Also according to my post, again proof by scripture my testimony there is not according to Paul's?

Thank you
 

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I would like to add this out of interest.....although it's totally off topic..
I have noticed for some time many of the threads I subscribe to or post in do not come up with alerts/ notifications. This is one of them and as I said, among many.
Basically, it often means I am cut out of the conversation at some point and wonder if this occurs to others?
So my question, what or who controls the responses at any given time or topic?
It would seem that you are right on topic--that's the point, many aren't getting the message.

As for alerts here on Christianity Board, on my PC there is a little bell icon in the upper right, and on my phone there are "alerts" under the 3-bar menu, each showing if someone has replied to a previous post of mine. Do you not have those?
 

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Fair enough, now proof to us where in the scripture is written Apostle Paul lies?

Thank you
Sorry for the misunderstanding--but, no, that was not what I meant at all.

On the contrary I was quoting Paul foretelling of the coming of a lie that many would believe during the church age causing strong delusion and great apostacy. The point being, that, as Peter also foretold, false teachers would enter the church spreading destructive doctrines, and John indicated that such anti-Christ spiritual activity was already at work during the times of the apostles. Meaning, that much of what is now taught and believed in the church--is false. The good news is, Jesus promised that the Holy Spirit would lead us unto all truth, the timing of which was declared to John and recorded in the book of Revelation, as only coming to the full as the mystery of God was declared to his servants the prophets, but not until just before the sounding of the seventh angel (the end).
 
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It would seem that you are right on topic--that's the point, many aren't getting the message.

As for alerts here on Christianity Board, on my PC there is a little bell icon in the upper right, and on my phone there are "alerts" under the 3-bar menu, each showing if someone has replied to a previous post of mine. Do you not have those?
I do. However, I do not discover that I haven't received an 'alert' till I see people have replied in the 'New posts' to which I have contributed.
 

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Sorry for the misunderstanding--but, no, that was not what I meant at all.

On the contrary I was quoting Paul foretelling of a the coming of a lie that many would be believe during the church age causing strong delusion and great apostacy. The point being, that, as Peter also foretold, false teachers would enter the church spreading destructive doctrines, and John indicated that such anti-Christ spiritual activity was already at work during the times of the apostles. Meaning, that much of what is now taught and believed in the church--is false. The good news is, Jesus promised that the Holy Spirit would lead us unto all truth, the timing of which was declared to John and recorded in the book of Revelation, as only coming to the full as the mystery of God was declared to his servants the prophets, but not until just before the sounding of the seventh angel (the end).
Apparently in our testimony of the truth, we have to be careful of our word or words.

A word wrong in our testament would give a different false impression on the statement or the writer, or even the testifier.

Thank you for clarifying the confusion.
 

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Sorry for the misunderstanding--but, no, that was not what I meant at all.

On the contrary I was quoting Paul foretelling of a the coming of a lie that many would be believe during the church age causing strong delusion and great apostacy.

The 'great apostacy' is in the last days, and Jesus said prior to that, 'lawlessness shall increase', and 'the beginning of man's sorrow'.

The end is not yet come, for the 'anti-Christ' and 'false prophet' yet to appear, and make many 'false signs and wonders'.

To deceive the whole world, and he even try to deceive the very elect, and will be unsuccessful apparently.

And for the 'strong delusion', GOD will send upon the unbelievers is during the reign of 'anti-Christ' and the 'false prophet'.

The world who loved darkness, instead of the truth they loved lies, since prior to that there were also doctrines of demons.

These are times when the church and the world will face the 'famine of GOD's word', no longer heard or spoken of.


Therefore these are not included scripturally as during the time of the Apostles and after they are gone.

When they had to deal with the 'spirit of anti-Christ', working strongly within Christendom itself, than outsiders.

'Heretics' and 'heresies', 'imposters' and 'counterfeits' of 'false teachers', 'false prophets' and 'false messiahs', Jesus said would come after Him.

Apparently outsiders as well, but very closely are often from the 'false denominations' who've gone ahead on their own and established themselves.

These who fall short from the truth, have 'shortsightedly' formed another 'false gospel doctrine', which opposed to the true 'Gospel doctrines from Christ'.

Hence again scripturally, there's no mention of 'great apostacy' and 'strong delusion' during these times, but rather in the end times.

So let us get things straight and right according to scripture, rather than speculating 'shortsighted' to the truth 'fallacy'.

Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ.
 

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The 'great apostacy' is in the last days, and Jesus said prior to that, 'lawlessness shall increase', and 'the beginning of man's sorrow'.

The end is not yet come, for the 'anti-Christ' and 'false prophet' yet to appear, and make many 'false signs and wonders'.

To deceive the whole world, and he even try to deceive the very elect, and will be unsuccessful apparently.

And for the 'strong delusion', GOD will send upon the unbelievers is during the reign of 'anti-Christ' and the 'false prophet'.

The world who loved darkness, instead of the truth they loved lies, since prior to that there were also doctrines of demons.

These are times when the church and the world will face the 'famine of GOD's word', no longer heard or spoken of.


Therefore these are not included scripturally as during the time of the Apostles and after they are gone.

When they had to deal with the 'spirit of anti-Christ', working strongly within Christendom itself, than outsiders.

'Heretics' and 'heresies', 'imposters' and 'counterfeits' of 'false teachers', 'false prophets' and 'false messiahs', Jesus said would come after Him.

Apparently outsiders as well, but very closely are often from the 'false denominations' who've gone ahead on their own and established themselves.

These who fall short from the truth, have 'shortsightedly' formed another 'false gospel doctrine', which opposed to the true 'Gospel doctrines from Christ'.

Hence again scripturally, there's no mention of 'great apostacy' and 'strong delusion' during these times, but rather in the end times.

So let us get things straight and right according to scripture, rather than speculating 'shortsighted' to the truth 'fallacy'.

Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ.
Much of that is true, but unfortunately the timing has been wrongly assumed--which is the "lie" spoken of by Paul. To the contrary, Peter declared the beginning of the last days at Pentecost. Which, yes, means many have need to reconsider all that is written that has for so long now been taught in error.
 

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Much of that is true, but unfortunately the timing has been wrongly assumed--which is the "lie" spoken of by Paul. To the contrary, Peter declared the beginning of the last days at Pentecost. Which, yes, means many have need to reconsider all that is written that has for so long now been taught in error.
the "timing" is not the lie Brother

the falling away is the corporate body of the man of sin

the Antichrist is the Head of that corporate body of sin

the "timing" is given to us in Revelation chapters 12 and 13

Then a war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. But the dragon was not strong enough, and no longer was any place found in heaven for him and his angels. And the great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.

Then the beast was permitted to wage war against the saints and to conquer them, and it was given authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation. And all who dwell on the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written from the foundation of the world in the Book of Life belonging to the Lamb who was slain.

He who has an ear, let him hear:
“If anyone is destined for captivity,
into captivity he will go;
if anyone is to die by the sword,
by the sword he must be killed.”
Here is a call for the perseverance and faith of the saints.

And the second beast required all people, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark—the name of the beast or the number of its name.
 

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the "timing" is not the lie Brother

the falling away is the corporate body of the man of sin

the Antichrist is the Head of that corporate body of sin

the "timing" is given to us in Revelation chapters 12 and 13

Then a war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. But the dragon was not strong enough, and no longer was any place found in heaven for him and his angels. And the great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.

Then the beast was permitted to wage war against the saints and to conquer them, and it was given authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation. And all who dwell on the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written from the foundation of the world in the Book of Life belonging to the Lamb who was slain.

He who has an ear, let him hear:
“If anyone is destined for captivity,
into captivity he will go;
if anyone is to die by the sword,
by the sword he must be killed.”
Here is a call for the perseverance and faith of the saints.

And the second beast required all people, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark—the name of the beast or the number of its name.
You have not reconciled Peter's declaration of the beginning of the last days at Pentecost, with the timing of Revelation 12 and 13.

The timing is the same. Such repetition where something is told in different ways, is simply a Hebrew form of teaching (not two different events).

For your own peace of mind, consider that "then (a war broke out in heaven)", gives the timing saying "then" regarding "every tribe and people and tongue and nation"--the very definition of the "gentiles." Meaning: "Then" during "the times of the gentiles"--which does reconcile with Peter's identifying the beginning of the "last days" at Pentecost.