GINOLJC, to all.
First thanks for the reply,
About 30 years after his birth as a human, when he was immersed by John the Baptizer, God’s spirit came upon Jesus and God spoke, saying: “You are my Son, the beloved; I have approved you.” (
Lu 3:21-23; Mt 3:16, 17) Evidently Jesus, the man, was then “born again” to be a spiritual Son with the hope of returning to life in heaven, and he was anointed by spirit to be God’s appointed king and high priest. (
Joh 3:3-6; compare 17:4, 5.
first, Jesus the spirit is not BORN, second, God spoke at our Lord's baptism? .. God spoke?, ERROR, the scripture states "A VOICE". never assume anything. scripture, John 5:37 "And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me.
Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape". now we ask you, can JESUS lie? God forbid. the scriptures clearly states "A VOICE" spoke from heaven, and we have biblecial evidence that states that an angel of the LORD can speak from heaven on God behalf. so now, unless you're prepared to dispute with the Saviour, we suggest you follow his word. say what he says.
Trinitarians say that “first-born” here means prime, most excellent, most distinguished; thus Christ would be understood to be, not part of creation, but the most distinguished in relation to those who were created. If that is so, and if the Trinity doctrine is true, why are the Father and the holy spirit not also said to be the firstborn of all creation? But the Bible applies this expression only to the Son. According to the customary meaning of “firstborn,” it indicates that Jesus is the eldest in Jehovah’s family of sons.
First, why ask us about the trinity and its doctrine when we're not Trinitarians?. second, as the apostle Paul said, by way of the Holy Ghost,
we have no such customs in the church. God is not created, nor his Spirit, who is him. the only thing that was made, was the body that he came in. supportive scripture, Hebrews 10:5 "Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not,
but a body hast thou prepared me".
as for first born, it's not biological. BORN is having a natural ability to do a particular job or task. God have the ability to "CREATE" as in the NEW CREATION", he is the "FIRST" from the DEAD. and he has the "ABILITY" to BEGIN a NEW BIRTH, or a NEW CREATION. supportive scripture, Revelation 21:3 "And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold,
the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
Revelation 21:4 "And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
Revelation 21:5 "And he that sat upon the throne said,
Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful".
Does
Colossians 1:16, 17 (
RS) exclude Jesus from having been created, when it says “in him all things were created . . . all things were created through him and for him”? The Greek word here rendered “all things” is
panʹta, an inflected form of
pas. At
Luke 13:2,
RS renders this “all . . . other”;
JB reads “any other”;
NE says “anyone else.” (See also
Luke 21:29 in
NE and
Philippians 2:21 in
JB.) In harmony with everything else that the Bible says regarding the Son,
NW assigns the same meaning to
panʹta at
Colossians 1:16, 17so that it reads, in part, “by means of him
all other things were created . . .
All other things have been created through him and for him.” Thus he is shown to be a created being, part of the creation produced by God.
well we will set your mind at ease. John 1:3 "
All things were made by him; and
without him was not any thing made that was made".
do you understand that verse. he, Jesus God, the Holy Spirit, the LORD "MADE" ..... "ALL THINGS". and without him was NOTHING MADE. now this,
Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens
alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth
by myself"
Alone, and
by myself exclude any "OTHER". so the "JB" is in ERROR to the Scriptures. we suggest you stick to what the bible say. so Jesus the WORD was not created, he God, JESUS, the Holy Spirit creates all things.
Rev. 1:1; 3:14,
RS: “The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him . . . ‘And to the angel of the church in La-odicea write: “The words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning [Greek,
ar·kheʹ] of God’s creation.”’” (
KJ, Dy, CC, and
NW, as well as others, read similarly.) Is that rendering correct?
(smile), he has the preeminence, as he did in Genesis 1:1 when he created all things. but here all things are NEW.
The logical conclusion is that the one being quoted at
Revelation 3:14 is a creation, the first of God’s creations, that he had a beginning. Compare
Proverbs 8:22, where, as many Bible commentators agree, the Son is referred to as wisdom personified. According to
RS, NE, and
JB, the one there speaking is said to be “created.”)
ERROR in the logic. see the one speaking here is the Spirit ...... (smile). how do we know this? ok, let the bible speak. who addressed all of the seven churches.... JESUS right.... right. did you notice how every letter ends? let hear it for yourself, "He that hath an ear, let him hear what the
Spirit saith unto the churches.
now let's get the logic clear, and straight. it is the Spirit that is addressing the churches, yes, JESUS is the Spirit, GLORIFIED in the NEW BODY, and yes, he is God, for God is a Spirit, (John 4:24a). supportive scripture, John 20:28 "And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and
my God". did Thomas lie? no, God forbid. did the Lord Jesus corrected Thomas by saying NO I'M NOT GOD. no, for he is Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
so the logic is this, "is God created?". ...... we'll leave that answer to you..... (smile).
please read all the 7 letters to the churches in revelation, chapter 2 & 3. each is address by the Lord Jesus, but each ends as the Spirit speaking. that's the true Logic to those scriptures, Jesus is God in flesh, now glorified flesh.
PICJAG.