?One who is ignorant of the things of God wlll never be right, Jesus is always right because Jesus s the truth.
So someone who thinks the heresy that Jesus is not God , will never be right.
I agree fully.
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?One who is ignorant of the things of God wlll never be right, Jesus is always right because Jesus s the truth.
When we are baptized in water, then we are born of WATER. However, that would not be in proper context as water baptism is merely symbolic of what has already happened. The born-again experience
The religious leaders in the NT accounts who refused to be and weren't immersed did not accept Jesus, thus "thwarting" God's Plan for their own lives as written in one of the paraphrase descriptions.Your saying that water baptism is "merely symbolic" of the "born-again experience".
Unless that can be clearly shown in the bible it's an invalid argument and so the claim still stands true;
When we are baptized in water, then we are born of WATER
No mental gymnastics required
baptized in water and born of water......not the sameWhen we are baptized in water, then we are born of WATER
No mental gymnastics required
John 3
[5] Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Since this is the prerequisite to enter into the Kingdom of God, I think it is very important to have a full understanding of it. While being born of the Spirit is pretty self explanatory, being born of "water" is less clear; that's why I put that word in all caps in the title: WATER. I say that it's less clear because I've heard many commentaries on it's meaning. Here are two.
1. When were are born of a natural birth via our Mother's wombs, then we are born of WATER when her water breaks. However, that does not make any sense in the context that Jesus spoke. It's as strange as Nicodemus' response, "How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?"
2. When we are baptized in water, then we are born of WATER. However, that would not be in proper context as water baptism is merely symbolic of what has already happened. The born-again experience. Your old man has been buried and a new man has come forth. So, water baptism could not be what Jesus was referring to.
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The religious leaders in the NT accounts who refused to be and weren't immersed did not accept Jesus, thus "thwarting" God's Plan for their own lives as written in one of the paraphrase descriptions.
All those who were immersed were the ones who accepted Jesus.
Simple,
not complicated.
baptized in water and born of water......not the same
No mental gymnastics required
Tong
R0710
This terminology when used almost always, or always, indicates fatal error in trusting men ....
So what you are really saying is that when Jesus said "unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God", what He is really saying is that, unless one is born from his mother and is born of the spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. In other words, Jesus was saying to Nicodemus, unless you are born from your mother and are born of the spirit, you cannot enter the kingdom of God. Well, if that makes sense to you, so be it with you.You are baptized with water. You are born of water.
Infallibly interpreted from day one by the Holy Spirit through the Church's apostles. Over 2,000 years old.
You are born from your mothers bodily fluids. You are born of water.
Interpreted 500 years ago with no guidance from the Holy Spirit by random people.
When Scripture is mis-understood, it leads to a multitude of errors for billions of people.
The false church from / in / continuing in rome was thoroughly exposed as false all along. Totally corrupt. Never right.
But did you not say "When we are baptized in water, then we are born of WATER"? And here you say that born of water means born from your mother's bodily fluids. I would guess that you are actually saying that we are baptized in our mother's womb, right? Is that then the baptism you are referring to and not the baptism with water administered to a believer?
So what is it really that you want to mean?
So what you are really saying is that when Jesus said "unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God", what He is really saying is that, unless one is born from his mother and is born of the spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. In other words, Jesus was saying to Nicodemus, unless you are born from your mother and are born of the spirit, you cannot enter the kingdom of God. Well, if that makes sense to you, so be it with you.
When sarcasm proved itself the cheapest wit once, it goes bankrupt.Yes you can quote scripture but what are you on about??