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Featured Exposing lies of all denominations, Pope Francis. Who is Mary? First of many threads!

Discussion in 'Christian Spirituality Forum' started by EndTimeWine, Nov 8, 2017.

  1. Yes, I am part of a denomination and believe it holds ALL TRUTHS!

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  2. No, I am not part of a denomination. Willing to test all- with the WORD!

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  1. Job

    Job Well-Known Member

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    That's ok Mary. [​IMG]

    No ill will.

    Water off a ducks back. [​IMG]

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    I believe that absolute truth HAS been revealed to us. I do NOT believe that we have absolutely 100% HEARING of what has been written.
    It is the interpretation of scripture which is the problem...not the scripture itself.
    People harp on and on about "what the bible says".. yet they always presume that THEIR HEARING is perfect. That to me is quite arrogant.
    It is the arrogance of people in demanding that they are right..which really bothers me. Surely there must be room somewhere for humility.
    I find it is the mature people who will say- " This is how I see it, this is what I believe has been revealed to me."
    I respect that attitude MUCH more.... that to me is a much stronger position than 'the baby' throwing some tantrum about having it 'right' and being angry that no one will believe or listen to them.

    I can actually remember the day when I first said to a younger Christian that I was mentoring-
    " Do you know, I actually have no idea, God has not shown me anything on that yet."
    It was such a relief to not any long believe that I MUST get everything 'perfectly right'.
    I am no longer too proud to say when I have no 'opinion' on a matter. :)
    Thanks for the chat...

    Blessings....H
     
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    Marymog Well-Known Member

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    Translation: We have heard (read) the truth, we just can't understand it.

    Mary
     
  4. aspen

    aspen “"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few

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    We have heard many truths about our world, humanity and everything else in this dimension, but we are not all knowing and we fail to understand. Did you expect a different outcome when it comes to God’s Will or nature, Marymog?

    Absolute Truth exists, but as Paul points out, we view it through an opaque glass.
     
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    how many Catholics are on tv preaching the greed is good property gospel? last i remember it was around 99% non Catholics teaching that garbage.
     
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  6. EndTimeWine

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    Hi Mary! I am glad we agree upon something. Mary, I think you have to quite your mind for a moment. Your like a little child who goes why, why, why , to every obvious answer. What exactly do you have a problem with? I posted something, Pope Francis said, and gave scriptural proof that he is wrong. I will post, if you would like- other non truths concerning the faith and can put more scriptural rebuttals toward his comments. It is odd to me: I am defending Christ' words " I am the way, the truth and the life. There is no OTHER way to the Father but by ME!" And you are more concerned with the Pope- than what Christ said. The Pope says we are "ALL CHILDREN OF GOD", this he says because God made all people. This is a play on words. In Christianity, we learn we are adopted sons and daughters. Our election from the world is based on our receiving and believing that Jesus is the only one true Savior. He is our Blessed hope! Not Buddha or Hindu gods, Islam's god- all worship of other gods in actuality is demon worship.

    2Corinthians6:14-18 and chp7:1 , Do not be mantled with unbelievers. For what partnership have righteousness and iniquity?Or what fellowship has light with darkness? What accord has Christ with Belial? OR what has a believer in common with an UNBELIEVER? What agreement has the TEMPLE OF GOD with idols? For we are the temple of the living God; as God said, "I will live in them and move among them, and will be their God, and they shall be my people. Therefore, come out of them and be SEPARATE from them, SAYS THE LORD, and touch nothing unclean; then I will WELCOME YOU, and I will be a FATHER TO YOU, and you shall be my sons and daughters says the Lord Almighty."
    7:1, Since we have these promises, beloved let us cleanse ourselves from every defilement of body and spirit, and make holiness perfect in FEAR OF GOD.
    Who is qualified to call out Pastoral heads and prove who are heretics? The Apostles and their anointing teachings! Colossians 2:8-10, See to it that no one makes prey of you by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the universe, and not according to CHRIST. For in Him the whole FULLNESS of DEITY dwells bodily, and you have come to fullness of life in HIM, who is HEAD of ALL RULE AND AUTHORITY. If you have questions the apostles have the answers.THE WOMAN OF REV.12 Marches On! God Bless!
     
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  7. Job

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    It is weird the way some will argue tooth and nail in defense of their denomination while completely ignoring the scriptures.

    I wonder why that is?

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    Your statement, "The beliefs I believe in of any denomination is the Word of God", creates your doctrine. Which means those beliefs you don't believe in of any said denomination, are not the Word of God. But, there are those in that denomination that belief them and believe they are true to the Word of God. How then are you different than any of a certain denomination.

    You say, "I lean on the Word who is entirely PERFECT AND WORTHY". But many in said denomination will say the same. They too lean on and trust Jesus Christ, The Word. How then are you different than any said denomination.

    No, I do not want to call the different parts of the Body of Christ a denomination. Remember, I said, "your denomination is not the Body of Christ" when you stated that "your denomination was the Body of Christ". Within denominations you will have different individuals who are born-again, who have the gifts of the Holy Spirit. Every denomination will evidence the same gifts. The Body of Christ consists of every believer in every denomination. The Body of Christ does not consist of denominations. Nor is the Body of Christ a denomination.

    Yes, the different early churches called themselves Christian, but yet they too already had different emphasis upon what they believed, or different mistakes in their belief. See the 7 churches of Revelation. Both praise and rebuke are given to these churches concerning their beliefs and actions.

    You say your doctrine is Christianity. You hold to the truths of the Bible which denominations do believe but reject those things they believe which you say are not true to the Word of God. Of course you can see here that you become the arbiter of what is true and what is not in the Word of God. This is no problem on a personal level. You have the Holy Spirit and God is teaching you things in His written Word. It becomes a problem when you say you are against denominations and your denomination is Christianity.

    Why? Because now you are not going to be part of any denomination that does not agree with your doctrine which you have learned from God and the Scriptures. So, when you fellowship with believers, when you meet to worship God and Christ as a group of believers, who do you meet with? Do you meet with those who disagree with your doctrine or with those who agree with your doctrine. Naturally they would be with those who agree with your doctrine. Thus, in so doing, you have created a denomination. You cannot get away from it. And there is nothing wrong with that. The problem is that you're saying there is something wrong with that.

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    The 7 churches of revelation had not different beliefs concerning Christ but added to themselves the false precepts of men and therefore became tainted like people of denominations today. Only 5 of them received admonishments to let go of LIES! . And of the 7 two were perfect and had no flaws. The church of Smyrna and the Church of Philadelphia. The rest were adhering to the false precepts of men. The letters to the churches speak to us today. They do not refer to denominations today or places but rather, to the state of being and place consciously all people are at. Some places do not even exist today as to place of an ancient church. So, what has to be true, since the Word of God transcends time, is- they speak to place of being. For instance: Smyrna means- 'Anointing oil or Myrrh " and Christ's title as Judge over this mind set: "WHICH WAS DEAD AND IS ALIVE". I will give some more details :
    People of this mind set, they being dispersed all over the world have reached perfection. Christ has no admonishment for them. He only tells them not to fear what they are about to suffer. I know the meaning of all the letters. You seem to be clinging to the precepts of men. And based on your responses I know what mind set you are of. And as for meeting with groups of believers of different denominations I never said I do not do that.And to do that does not make me of any one denomination. You are trying to put me in a denomination but you can not and is why you are running in circles with your replies.

    You have a denomination why don't you just say it. If you want to know if it holds all truths let's openly discuss that. Don't hide behind evasive babbling- that if you really listen to yourself , is quite incoherent and misses the point of discussion. What I am saying is straight forward. You have not proven I am of any certain denomination. I have proven I am Christian though.
     
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    Here, let me help you along. Major bone of contention for the two main warring denominations "MARY"! This is not an issue really for the Orthodox. They are pretty much on the same page concerning her. They are only confused by one title given her. And that only depends upon who you ask. I will elaborate on that later.
    But for these two warring denominations and its sects ,Protestant sects- when I say sects because there is more diversity of belief in it, than in the RCC.
    Mary is a gulf between them, not so much she- but rather how she is approached by each of these denominations. The apostles will settle this dispute. All answers concerning this are revealed in their letters and gospels according to each. There is no dispute that scriptures hold all truths and it is not this which has caused a gulf but rather, mans interpretation and consequential doctrinal error that has. Could we in this forum become a true whole Body without fractions and become the TRUE LIGHT to the world? Let's find out, I am up to the task, are you?
     
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    aspen “"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few

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    I remember getting into a two year conversation about catholicism/evangelicalism with this guy i met at a Berean bookstore (we became good friends) and the only thing my friend retained about Catholicsm was the ban on birth control. His wife soon became pregnant with their 3rd child and they had to continue living with his parents.

    Oy vey......
     
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    What you are saying is impossible to achieve as I showed you in my post #48. To which you responded only to two lines where I cited the 7 churches of Revelation. If I am running in circles, why do you ignore the majority of the post. Why? Because you have no answer and then simply produce smoke concerning the 7 churches of Revelation.

    You have created your own denomination which I proved in post #48. I am not trying to put you into a denomination, you put yourself there as soon as you have a set doctrine that you believe and that is necessary for others to believe for them to be right with God and worship with you or you with them.

    So, what doctrine do you believe that will cause you to reject some believers and accept some believers? You say you are Christian, so? All of the denominations say they are Christian. What is your doctrine that is so pure and others so false as to reject their denomination? And who, as I said earlier is the arbiter of what doctrines are true? You?

    What does it matter if I have a denomination. I am discussing with you the impossibility of what you are attempting to achieve which is some great unity of believers without a denomination of which you must be the said pope because it must be you that determines what people are going to believe.

    Stranger
     
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    Denominations create divisions in what is supposed to be the body of Christ.

    1 Corinthians 1
    10 Now I plead with you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.



    The scriptures do not support what we call "denominations".

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    Look at it this way. your denomination is a tin of green pain, another red, another blue another yellow, what you all have in common is that you are all denominations, but you are far from the same, if you take the yellow and mix with blue you get green, now you have mixture and confusion. Never meant to be this way, that why we are "ALL" given His spirit so we can "all " learn from Him, for those who are in Him, cannot be divided unlike denominations with there creeds, doctrines, traditions and beliefs.

    1Co 1:12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.
    1Co 1:13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?

    and that is what religion and denominations have done, created division, teh devils best friends.
     
  15. aspen

    aspen “"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few

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    I agree. Denominations are divisions in the Body of Christ. Unfortunately, your solution, mrj seems to be to renounce Church and instruct everyone to follow their own ideas about Christ. You deny this, claiming that the Holy Spirit tells everyone the same information and it is the fault of the individual when they decide to believe wierd ideas or heresy; of course, in order to make this work, one has to deny the fact that most people, left to their own whims and wishful thinking about God, or even the most disciplined believer are going to get it wrong without church authority and doctrine.

    What you are actually advocating for is private interpretation of scriptures, private revelation, and radical individualism. Your remedy for denominations is to create individual versions of denominations.

    Hell, is governed by the same radical individual isolation
     
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    Hmm

    Joh_14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

    Mat_4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
    Joh_6:33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.
    Joh_6:48 I am that bread of life.
    Joh_6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

    Mat_11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

    Mar_8:34 And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

    Joh_10:4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
    Joh_10:5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.
    Joh_10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
    Joh_12:26 If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father honour.

    you will not find one place where Jesus says to follow after men, funny about that, men will accept mens "authority" which does not come from God but given to them by those that follow after them, yet they deny the Authority that comes from God, bit like telling uncle to go ask dad because Im to afraid to ask myself. I dont know what God has done to deserve such a great injustice by those who call themselves christians.

    the blind following the blind and on it goes.
     
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    and teh religious killed teh one Jesus who was, "radical".
     
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    aspen “"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few

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    MRJ

    So your opinion trumps all - got it.

    Not that it makes a difference to you, but your statement

    is contradicted by Luke and Paul

    John 21:15-17

    So when they had finished breakfast, Jesus said to Simon Peter, "Simon, son of John, do you love Me more than these?" He said to Him, "Yes, Lord; You know that I love You " He said to him, "Tend My lambs." He said to him again a second time, "Simon, son of John, do you love Me?" He said to Him, "Yes, Lord; You know that I love You." He said to him, "Shepherd My sheep." He said to him the third time, "Simon, son of John, do you love Me?" Peter was grieved because He said to him the third time, "Do you love Me?" And he said to Him, "Lord, You know all things; You know that I love You " Jesus said to him, "Tend My sheep.

    Ephesians 4:11-13

    And He gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers, for the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ; until we all attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fullness of Christ.

    1 Timothy 3:2
    1 Timothy 5:17
    Titus 2:1-10

    But as for you, speak the things which are fitting for sound doctrine. Older men are to be temperate, dignified, sensible, sound in faith, in love, in perseverance. Older women likewise are to be reverent in their behavior, not malicious gossips nor enslaved to much wine, teaching what is good, 1 Peter 5:2
    Romans 12:8
    1 Thessalonians 5:12
    Verse Concepts
    But we request of you, brethren, that you appreciate those who diligently labor among you, and have charge over you in the Lord and give you instruction,

    Now, you might say, ‘well these people have been appointed by God to lead, which is fine.’

    My response:

    1. These people are the church

    2. The church did not die with Christ.
     
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    People are teh church, denomination and building are not His church, that part you did get right. Tell me which of these men today are His, do you know,. They go to bible college get a certificate from the world, does not make them a pastor except in this word. Peter went to feed His sheep, who are His sheep,? those who hear His voice, and they will follow no man but Christ.

    Keep your religion it will keep you from Him.

    Rev_3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

    who has the courage to let Him in and follow after Him??

    There is one on here who I warned what would happen if she followed Him, and she can see teh consequences. When you become His frioend you become teh devils worst nightmare.
     
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    And when you separate yourself from any denomination or group of believers, you do the same thing. You create division. So, what do you do now?

    Stranger
     
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