Food for thought ...on this video

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Helen

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Wel....just skip this thread.
Because it's about the video.

I could tell very early in this thread that many just "jumped to a conclusion" and straightway posted their "stand"...( which wasn't asked for) even though the OP said- " Don't post if you haven't listened".....but they ignored that and posted anyway...not even knowing if they were for, against, or undecided. :rolleyes:
 
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Amen. That's hits the nail.

But, with the left pushing everything anti-christian....how on earth can we wake Christians up to the dangers of - Grace with no accountability.

It seems "Love" is now being uses as a weapon now AGAINST us!!!o_O
Are you getting this feeling too?

Yes, we are called to love at all costs as Jesus loved. But I see the subtlety of the Enemy here....any overbalance , is error!!
And the trap has been set...and in many churches, sprung!!
Grace without accountability ? there is no Grace without accountability, in fact.
I am sorry to say but do you all truly know what Grace truly means Biblically.

Love ? to be pleasing ? to all, is it that is preached nowadays is it ?

I questioned to a old mate who was once on drugs and sold this rubbish as well and he said back in all anger wanting to fight me, but knowing he had no hope bashing me, stood their yelling at me that he was helping them ! ? he truly believed he was helping them. haha madness !

Is it not the same of people who peddle so called love, but it's not truly love at all ? maybe it's just blind want, or people who have madness of insane devotions to whatever, take food for example, eat to much or rubbish and it's not good, so everything in moderation and a well balanced approach to all things is a healthy position, so when one may question one on there outlook a healthy approach to all is needed, but nowadays they are tossing caution to the wind like a flower power drug induced mania. and you can not tell such people that they are possessed and going down the wrong path that surely does not lead to true Love at all.
Any person that does not know who Jesus Christ really is, does not know true Love and that's why we see Satanist running around peddling there filth everywhere nowadays and they could not get away with such rubbish years ago because people had virtue and respect for Jesus Christ.
So now all the lost are yelling at us that such is fine to do kill baby's is a right as is every depraved thing you can think of.
All I can say is that they are going to end up standing on very thin ice for sure one day.
 

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Grace without accountability ? there is no Grace without accountability, in fact.
I am sorry to say but do you all truly know what Grace truly means Biblically.

Love ? to be pleasing ? to all, is it that is preached nowadays is it ?

I questioned to a old mate who was once on drugs and sold this rubbish as well and he said back in all anger wanting to fight me, but knowing he had no hope bashing me, stood their yelling at me that he was helping them ! ? he truly believed he was helping them. haha madness !

Is it not the same of people who peddle so called love, but it's not truly love at all ? maybe it's just blind want, or people who have madness of insane devotions to whatever, take food for example, eat to much or rubbish and it's not good, so everything in moderation and a well balanced approach to all things is a healthy position, so when one may question one on there outlook a healthy approach to all is needed, but nowadays they are tossing caution to the wind like a flower power drug induced mania. and you can not tell such people that they are possessed and going down the wrong path that surely does not lead to true Love at all.
Any person that does not know who Jesus Christ really is, does not know true Love and that's why we see Satanist running around peddling there filth everywhere nowadays and they could not get away with such rubbish years ago because people had virtue and respect for Jesus Christ.
So now all the lost are yelling at us that such is fine to do kill baby's is a right as is every depraved thing you can think of.
All I can say is that they are going to end up standing on very thin ice for sure one day.
WE cannot escape the decay of moral and ethical beliefs which are founded on biblical truths....the Bible says in the last days evil will wax worse and worse and that which is good will be called evil and that which is evil will be called good.....what we can do however is to become disciples and go out to the world and preach the Gospel of Christ.....and by the words of our testimony many shall be saved....so complaining about what is happening isn't changing what is happening....we have to do our part.
 

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Grace without accountability ? there is no Grace without accountability, in fact.
I am sorry to say but do you all truly know what Grace truly means Biblically.

Sorry Reggie...but I must disagree.
On God's side there is not, obviously. We would agree on that.
What I was referencing was from the christian man's point of view.
If man did not believe that there was grace with no accountability , then Paul wouldn't have had to write this to the church:-

2 Cor 6:1 “We then, as workers together with Him also plead with you not to receive the grace of God in vain.”

“But by the grace of God I am what I am, and His grace toward me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all, yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.” 1 Corinthians 15:10

Both showing clearly that some take God amazing grace and believe that they just float on into heaven on some cloud of grace.

If 'some' christian did not believe that grace had no accountability. The we would have no fleshly, carnal christians in the church!

Oh yes my friend, I have met many a christian that believe that grace covers all and there will be no consequence to how they chose to live the life that was freely gifted to them..
 
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WE cannot escape the decay of moral and ethical beliefs which are founded on biblical truths....the Bible says in the last days evil will wax worse and worse and that which is good will be called evil and that which is evil will be called good.....what we can do however is to become disciples and go out to the world and preach the Gospel of Christ.....and by the words of our testimony many shall be saved....so complaining about what is happening isn't changing what is happening....we have to do our part.
The scriptures do not imply or even recognize a political or religious 'right' or 'left'. This is only a man-made carnal invention.
The video did not go into detail concerning how some words have been deliberately mistranslated in our Bibles that have resulted in the hateful mess in and outside the church today. The video was short enough and pointed enough to stir the conscience for those who cared enougj to watch it.
 

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The scriptures do not imply or even recognize a political or religious 'right' or 'left'. This is only a man-made carnal invention.
The video did not go into detail concerning how some words have been deliberately mistranslated in our Bibles that have resulted in the hateful mess in and outside the church today. The video was short enough and pointed enough to stir the conscience for those who cared enougj to watch it.
I watched the video...and if you are implying that I did not understand what he was saying then you are wrong....homosexuality and other sexual addictions such as beastiality, pedophilia, serial rapists, pornography...etc is a demonic spirit that has attached itself to that individual and has created a stronghold...or bondage to that sin...I have witnessed people being delivered of this spirit who never went back to that life again...including a homosexual.
 
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Well, before a Christian makes such a bold statement against the lgbt community in which the video is defending, that Christian should first be able to distinguish between a mistranslation from a true translation. I don't remember which poster it was that referred to 1Cor.6:9 but they should have really studied OBECTIVELY before they posted that verse haphazardly for all to see.
 
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Well, before a Christian makes such a bold statement against the lgbt community in which the video is defending, that Christian should first be able to distinguish between a mistranslation from a true translation. I don't remember which poster it was that referred to 1Cor.6:9 but they should have really studied OBECTIVELY before they posted that verse haphazardly for all to see.
No one should make bold statements against anyone....period. So I agree with you....these kind of statements create strife and that is not of God.
 
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Hi, Helen.

I watched the video. And for starters, I dabbled with homosexuality for a short time in my teen years, so I am not unsympathetic to your concerns. But while his message is eloquently put forth, it is scripturally unsound, and a very dangerous teaching to be putting forth from the pulpit.

Let me address some of the things he says here, as I was listening along:
- First of all, cruelty to gays is a Satanic thing and unacceptable. The suicide boy story is very tragic, much as all bullying stories that end in suicides are. I do my best to befriend all people, not just homosexuals but Satanists (befriended one just the other day, as a matter of fact, and very happy about it), pedophiles etc., and I am not making any connections here. I believe very strongly in befriending people as the way to lead them to Christ, i.e. without risking my own safety or condoning sin.
- He mentions about wanting to get delivered from sin, and stating "I prayed. Nothing happened." You have to keep walking with Christ. Nothing wrong with that.
- Ok, dismissing the Biblical restrictions regarding homosexual practices simply because they are in company with verses on not eating seafood is a common argument used, but it is irrelevant. The NT still preaches against homosexuality, yet does not teach against eating unclean foods, so that argument is misleading.
- "We don't know what causes homosexuality." Scripture disagrees here. What it actually teaches is that homosexuality is the result of spiritual uncleanness, i.e. demonic influence. It is a perversion of the order God created. When it states that He "gives them up to uncleanness," he is saying that God gives them up to the unclean spirits that are seducing them into sin (Romans 1:24).
- It was telling that he openly stated he has a Sociologist's background, rather than a spiritual/theological background. This explains why he makes so many errors later in the sermon.
- Now, starting at 13:45, he separates Paul from Jesus as opposed to one another in their teachings, which is a big theological No, No. He shouldn't do that. This identifies Campolo as not being a true New Testament believer, which is where his biggest problem is. He has no faith that the Spirit of God which is the Spirit of Christ Himself was speaking through Paul when he wrote his epistles.
- Ok, by 16:34 he is really coming apart at the seams theologically... still way off base as of 17:23.
- 17:56 - 18:04 is a socialist and humanist construct. It is not a Biblical or truly spiritual position in light of what the Christian God and Christian Bible teaches.
- 18:15 - 18:31 is a wild jump in theological logic. I don't take offense with him, Helen, so I'm not saying this as an insult to him, but Campolo would be torn to pieces in a debate with even an average theologian at this point. He's only getting away with making these sweeping assertions because he has a captive audience.
- LoL. Verses could very easily be brought to bear on 18:32 - 18:46 that would completely destroy his argument. He is misusing the teaching on the Holy Spirit to condone sin.
- NOW, 18:47 - 19:12 is where he SHOULD be basing his argument. If homosexuals would only humble themselves and admit they were struggling with sin, and ask for the help of Christians to pray for them and be there for them, THAT would be a powerful argument to present. But it's coupled with a defense of their sins in the rest of the sermon, which cancels them out and renders them contradictory.
- 19:39 - 20:55 is a very strong emotional appeal to the Spirit of Love, but unfortunately by using it as a justification for a sexual practice that God abhors, he is again canceling out what would otherwise be a beautiful appeal.
- The answer to his question in 21:31 - 21:52 is that "relationships" are indeed available to homosexuals from those who truly love God, just not sexually perverse ones. I befriend homosexual believers and seek to encourage them all I can. But I cannot make marriages that involve sexual union between partners that God forbids available to anyone. If I do this, their blood will be on my hands in eternity. It will be on Campolo's if he does not repent of this teaching, and he doesn't realize it yet.
- He asks the question at 22:08, "What is marriage supposed to achieve?" Here is another key flaw in his argument. According to scripture, it is not about what it is supposed to "achieve." It is about what it is supposed to represent. It is a sacred union intended to reflect & represent the union of Christ with His bride, the church, into one body and "one flesh," through the entrance of the Holy Spirit within her, where they become one in the very deepest sense of the word, in Mind, in Heart, and in Soul throughout eternity. He is again speaking as a sociologist not a theologian, which is his real problem.
- Not sure if he can speak for Mother Teresa's intentions like that at 25:40.
- I fully agree with 26:00 - 26:08.
- His assertion at 26:15 - 26:30 that debates on the issue need to be resolved with one word ("compassion") is a false one, and it side skirts how the issue does need to be resolved, and that is through the word of God and what it says. That which does not line up with what the word teaches is not true compassion, though it may appear to be so. How compassionate is it to sympathize with that which ends up sending a soul to torment for eternity? How compassionate do those souls who are already suffering in torment today think men like Campolo are/ were to them by sympathetically encouraging them in something that cost them their eternal souls?

Well, those were my notes. If you have any specific questions about anything I said, please ask. I feel for homosexuals, but we all have sins and personal weaknesses that we have to fight against, and anyone who excuses what God does not excuse in His word are unfortunately taking terrible risks where their eternities are concerned.
 
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Please don't post here unless you have actually listened to it .

I'd like comment about this message...not just personal views on the subject.

Thanks...Helen.

Btw, I just edited my above response. Cited the wrong verse in Romans. (Hate when I do that). :rolleyes:
 
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I watched the video. And for starters, I dabbled with homosexuality for a short time in my teen years, so I am not unsympathetic to your concerns. But while his message is eloquently put forth, it is scripturally unsound, and a very dangerous teaching to be putting forth from the pulpit.

Thank you for your very good detailed post. I have only quoted a snippet here.

I agree. A few decades ago he was a good strong ministry which we liked a lot. Now, I have no idea where he is spiritually.
To me it sounded like he was trying to convince himself!!
Because he has been so well respected I see his preaching on this subject (which he is doing more and more) even more dangerous.
It is so subtly undermining....and easily bought into by the youth which he mainly preaches to ( Universities)
I put it down to "strange fire", and for sure a mixture.
We know that the Enemy can only sell his lies if over 50% is truth..only that way will Christian listen to it...they taste and swallow the truth but the lies slip through undetected and accepted.

The first time my husband and I heard this little video we thought he had some good points..and he does, if he didn't we wouldn't listen. Only later one can see the traps and pitfalls in it.

I like that he challenged how we think about the subject. As many even when responding to this thread, just posted the "accept line" and then said they didn't want to listen to it....because their mind is already made up ( my words )
I guess this was the whole point of me posting the video.

I felt very much the same myself ..but I liked the challenge of "who has the bigger sin" ....the self-righteous see and declare that those are 'going to hell in a hand basket'...yet overlook their own 'sins'!! Holier than thou.

I am thankful that God is our final Judge, not man, especially the Christian man! :) In that I can trust. ✟

May God keep us all humble...for there,but by the grace of God go I.
We can crow about how pure we are and how bad they are...God knows , not me.
I hate what they do, and how, ...I must say the it's the "christian one" that totally mystify me...they must be totally 'taken over' by a demonic seducing, deceiving spirit. They cannot be thinking clearly through the Holy Spirit, we know that. Somewhere they made a choice.

I do greatly worry as their 'movement' grows by the day...like in the day of Sodom. This earth is 'as Sodom'..that is scary.
( If God hadn't already warned us of 'the times'. ) ✟
 
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I do greatly worry as their 'movement' grows by the day...like in the day of Sodom. This earth is 'as Sodom'..that is scary.
( If God hadn't already warned us of 'the times'. ) ✟
Yes because society almost idolizes them.....my neighbor claims to be an ordained minister and is as proud of being gay as he could be.....it is almost as if they are the chosen ones or something....and I am so tired of seeing thread after thread after thread asking if homosexuals will go to heaven....that's like asking if Satanists are going to heaven.....murderers....rapists....well they are if they repent and turn away from their sins....otherwise.....it will be decided by God on judgment day.
 

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@"ByGrace" …..did you start this thread.....aarrrgghhhh….lol.....;):) Well I am going to ignore this thread for the rest of this evening and go read something about a wonderful testimony of something God has done in someone's life....lol.....
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I felt very much the same myself ..but I liked the challenge of "who has the bigger sin" ....the self-righteous see and declare that those are 'going to hell in a hand basket'...yet overlook their own 'sins'!! Holier than thou.

I agree, and there is some value in it there. I just wish he hadn't been overcome by a spirit which now seeks to completely compromise scripture. He always struck me as an eloquent speaker and a good writer, but over time I saw him given increasingly over to the political spirit of the times. I don't know what the motivation for that was.
It is so subtly undermining....and easily bought into by the youth which he mainly preaches to ( Universities)

Yes, and once they give themselves over to the sin and spirits enter in, the youth become extremely opposed to true Christian doctrine and true Christianity. This is the big danger. Soon those who have been raised on this anti-Christian mindset will be running this county, your country, and most of the Western world, and if they view us as hateful, ignorant of "scripture," and intolerant, the Devil will all the more be able to tempt them to turn a blind eye whenever our persecution comes.

But blessings in Christ. The issue is certainly a good conversation piece, and one we need to be well-versed in. : )
 

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I watched the video and I can say that I have never believed we should treat anyone without compassion. Calling people names, insulting them, being cruel is not something a Christian should practice. A true Christian will disagree with a person lifestyle if it's unscriptural, but we can do that without dehumanizing those people.
I believe a true church of God will not marry anyone to a person who is of the same sex, but I also believe that the true Church of God will not get involved in politics to restrain a couple who are the same sex getting married to each other by a government official. God doesn't force his morality on people and neither should we. We don't have to agree with what's being done but like I said true Christians don't force their ways on people.
There have been those that said they wouldn't go to a church that married a couple of the same sex and I can understand that but what if a church allowed other forms of fornication such as adultery, two single people(male and female) having sex which is also fornication. What about people who practice taking drugs, and getting drunk with alcohol because they are partying and all these people are baptized members of the Church and seen as in good standing with the Church, would you go to that church?
 
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I know this might seem technical, but it's practicing homosexuals who will not enter the Kingdom of God.
It's all who are depraved, a person who may be described to as being gay does not mean that they are depraved.
I believe there are people who come across as such but they are not and do not support anything or do anything that is depraved.
People practicing filth regardless is the point I would say.
I would not say that 2 same sex couples is the problem as they could be very moral people, but they sure would not be promoting silly rubbish that the rainbow mobs do in the streets nowadays. such is just promoting depravity in my opinion.

One of my brothers girl friends that he once lived with and 3 children he brought up with her, plus his own 2.
Well one of hers just Hung her self and my brother informed me that she was raped a year and a half ago, She was only 23yo and a good nice child.
It just blows me away that someone could rape someone, I just don't understand why someone would do such a thing for crying out loud.

I don't like that way that depravity is promoted nowadays and what I see and here that's become common, young generation are always talking stupid moral less crap nowadays, and think it's funny, they would of coped a good hiding back in my day for disregarding and speaking of women like they do.
If I was to give one a hiding for speaking depraved filth, I would be the one that the law would come down on nowadays, but in my day a mug like that would just have to cop it sweet because the cops would polish his tail as well if a idiot complained about such to them.