Genesis 1:26 Revisited, the Ordinal “FIRST”

[kcnalp]

(smile), this is a easy one, Isaiah 9:6 "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."

who is this kcnalp?



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You're still chopping chunks of the Bible! You're not qualified nor authorized.

 

[101G]

You're still chopping chunks of the Bible! You're not qualified nor authorized.

first thanks for the reply, second, we can take this as you have no answer to Isaiah 9:6? ..... we know. yes, that Son is Father... lol.

Another successful sabotage operation.

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[kcnalp]

first thanks for the reply, second, we can take this as you have no answer to Isaiah 9:6? ..... we know. yes, that Son is Father... lol.

Another successful sabotage operation.

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You have removed SIXTEEN verses in the NT that say "God the Father". How many "the Son of God" verses have you deleted?
Revelation 22:19 (NKJV)
19 If anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

 

[101G]

You have removed SIXTEEN verses in the NT that say "God the Father". How many "the Son of God" verses have you deleted?
Revelation 22:19 (NKJV)
19 If anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

NEXT,

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[Trekson]

GINOLJC, to all.

first thanks for the reply, second, 1 John 5:7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."
1 John 5:8 "And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one."

these verses has been explained over and over.

Scripture #1. 1 John 5:7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."
the verse says "THESE" not "THEY" are ONE. the term "These" indicate TITLES. . THESE three are titles are of ONE PERSON. if the verse would have said, "They" are one ok, we could all pack our bags and go home., but it didn't. understand now, |These, titles, not They which indicate persons.

Scripture #2. 1 John 5:8 "And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one."

Agree IN, IN, IN, One. meaning one person. understand, "A" Person consisit of 1. spirit. 2. water, (flesh and bone, a body), and 3. Blood. BINGO one person. spirit, flesh and blood = one PERSON....

so no, that want work either. try something else.


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I don't need to try again, the bible is quite plain regarding the reality of the trinity. If you want to deny it then you become your own "spiritual saboteur". One can have all the knowledge in the world but if their understanding is faulty then despite having knowledge one remains ignorant. The bible says it can't be understood w/o spiritual discernment and nothing you claim suggests you have that understanding.

 

[101G]

I don't need to try again, the bible is quite plain regarding the reality of the trinity. If you want to deny it then you become your own "spiritual saboteur". One can have all the knowledge in the world but if their understanding is faulty then despite having knowledge one remains ignorant. The bible says it can't be understood w/o spiritual discernment and nothing you claim suggests you have that understanding.

GINOLJC, to all.

First thanks for the reply, second, we can take this as you don't understand the bible and diversified oneness?

what is it you don't understand, "These" ... titles VS "They", persons? well....

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[101G]

now that we know without a doubt that God is one person, and one person only. the terms "with", and "beside" eliminates any other second or third person, now lets look at the bible in the true light of the Gospel.... OT and NT.

OT, God is alone and by himself when he created and made all things. we know this from Isaiah 44:24 and various other places in the scriptures. but the key point is in Genesis 1:26 where God used the term for himself as "US", and "OUR".

the question begs to be answered is why did God refere to himself as "us" and "our" in Genesis 1:26 but in the very next verse Genesis 1:27 say, "his", and "he" which are single pronouns which indicate a single person. well that is true, for God is a single person in the first beginning... hold it 101G .... "FIRST" beginning? yes, the First beginning. God in the First beginning, the creation account created and made all things. and God in the LAST beginning has redeemed and is restoring all things.

other words, God in CREATION of this world have a beginning, not of him, but his acts in his creation, Genesis 1:1 and he have an end to this creation beginning at John 1:1 and the NEW creation beginning at Revelation 1:1, which is foretold to come.

so, God at Genesis 1:26 is foretelling of his coming in flesh as a man... his image that he created ..... MAN. so God is the First prophet in the bible. his coming in flesh as the Last Adam, his own Image.

so support this truth, we consult truth, to establish the truth. when God said in Benesis 1:26 "us" and "our", this was prophetic of his coming in natural flesh as a man. supportive truth, God himself who cannot lie, now has come in the natural flesh what he said this about himself. Matthew 19:3 "The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?"
Matthew 19:4 "And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,"

two things to note here.
A. God is refered to as "he", a single person. the gospel of mark confirm this. Mark 10:6 "But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female."

B. Notice the term "beginning" in both accounts. the term Beginning OT,
H7225 רֵאשִׁית re'shiyth (ray-sheeth') n-f.
1. the first, in place, time, order or rank.
2. (specifically) a firstfruit.
[from the same as H7218]
KJV: beginning, chief(-est), first(-fruits, part, time), principal thing.
Root(s): H7218

and as the Last Adam, 1 Corinthians 15:45 "And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit."

here Last means,
G2078 ἔσχατος eschatos (es'-cha-tos) adj.
farthest, final (of place or time).
[a superlative probably from G2192 (in the sense of contiguity)]
KJV: ends of, last, latter end, lowest, uttermost
Root(s): G2192

noticr the terms (of place or time). just like in Genesis 1:1, place and time God is a single person. at John 1:1 the same one person in Genesis 1:1 is now in a "diverse" states as the G243 allos of himself, or as the EQUAL SHARE of himself in flesh, his own image... man, the "ANOTHER of God in flesh.


So God have three dispensation of himself in (time, place and order). "I AM THAT I AM", identifies each dispensation

dispensation #1. "I AM" Spirit, CREATOR, MAKER, title LORD, Father. Genesis 1:1. the Holy Spirit God almighty.

dispensation #2. "THAT" spirit, diversified in flesh and bone, REDEEMER, SAVIOUR, title, Lord, Son, John 1:1 the Holy Spirit God almighty.

dispensation #3. "I AM" Spirit, COMFORTER, MEDIATOR, title, LORD/Lord, Revelation 1:1 the Holy Spirit God almighty.

so God is or was a single person in time and place of the OT, but a diversity in flesh and blood in the NT. not hard at all to understand.

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[kcnalp]

Gen 1 God said let US make man in OUR image according to OUR likeness.

Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

I don't know of even one translation that disputes this.

 

[101G]

Gen 1 God said let US make man in OUR image according to OUR likeness.

Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

I don't know of even one translation that disputes this.

thanks for the reply, second the only translation that dispute this the bible... the KJV.

listen, Genesis 1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."

the verse states... "us" and "our", correct, lets see if it's a "us" or "our", or NOT, listen to the very next verse.

Genesis 1:27 "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them."
well kcnalp, what happen to the "us", and the "our". verse 27 clearly states "his", and "he". meaning God is a single person.

so how did God go from a "us" and "our" to a "his", and "he"? it's prophetic, meaning to come. listen, Romans 5:14 "Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come."
ther is he, the us, God to come in his, his, own image, which is "ANOTHER" of himself in flesh.

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[kcnalp]

thanks for the reply, second the only translation that dispute this the bible... the KJV.

Even your beloved KJV!
Genesis 1:26 (KJV)
26 And God said, Let US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness:

listen, Genesis 1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."

the verse states... "us" and "our", correct, lets see if it's a "us" or "our", or NOT, listen to the very next verse.

Genesis 1:27 "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them."
well kcnalp, what happen to the "us", and the "our". verse 27 clearly states "his", and "he". meaning God is a single person.

so how did God go from a "us" and "our" to a "his", and "he"? it's prophetic, meaning to come. listen, Romans 5:14 "Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come."
ther is he, the us, God to come in his, his, own image, which is "ANOTHER" of himself in flesh.

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Why would you think God would put "US" in every verse? How many true "Gods" do you believe in?

 

[101G]

Even your beloved KJV!
Genesis 1:26 (KJV)
26 And God said, Let US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness:

Why would you think God would put "US" in every verse? How many true "Gods" do you believe in?

did you not hear me? this is God speaking of himself to come in flesh as a "Diversity of himself, it's prophetic in nature.

do you know what prophecy is? the foretelling of something to come. well God is the LAST ADAM, the beginning of the new CREATION. God spoke as a prophet, about himself. so God is the first prophet in the bible.

His Image in himself, Christ Jesus, Ephesians 2:10 "For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them."

understand now?

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[kcnalp]

did you not hear me? this is God speaking of himself to come in flesh as a "Diversity of himself, it's prophetic in nature.

do you know what prophecy is? the foretelling of something to come. well God is the LAST ADAM, the beginning of the new CREATION. God spoke as a prophet, about himself. so God is the first prophet in the bible.

His Image in himself, Christ Jesus, Ephesians 2:10 "For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them."

understand now?

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Bottom line: God called Himself US and OUR. Only one God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

Do you believe Jesus is the Son of God? It's a very simple question.
Mark 1:1 (NKJV)
1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God.

 

[101G]

Bottom line: God called Himself US and OUR. Only one God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

Do you believe Jesus is the Son of God?

Yes God called himself "US" and "OUR", for he is a "Diversity" in flesh of himself. not at Genesis 1:1 and 1:26, no that was to come at John 1:1
and glorified when he was resurrected.

now do I believe that Jesus is the Son of God... not in a biological sense as you and I are Naturally.. NO, listen to the definition of Son according to the Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words. listen to the definition, It is often used metaphorically of prominent moral characteristics.
descendants, without reference to sex, Rom 9:27. those who manifest a certain character, whether evil, Acts 13:10; Eph 2:2, or good, Luke 6:35; Acts 4:36; Rom 8:14.

Now God's character, or characteristics is him, listen, Hebrews 1:3 "Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;"

see that term "the express image". in the Greek it's
G5481 χαρακτήρ charakter (cha-rak-teer') n.
1. an engraver (the tool or the person).
2. (by implication) an engraving.
3. (hence) a “character,” the figure stamped.
4. (by extension) an exact copy.
5. (figuratively) a representation.
[from charasso “to sharpen to a point” (akin to G1125 through the idea of scratching)]
KJV: express image
Compare: G1125, G1504

there it is, in definition #3, "character", and ,G5207, huios it means, used metaphorically of prominent moral characteristics, or character. BINGO, "character". see he's the Holy Spirit, for "Holy"/Son is God's "character", and Spirit is his NATURE... hence the title, the HOLY/SON SPIRIT/FATHER.

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[kcnalp]

Yes God called himself "US" and "OUR", for he is a "Diversity" in flesh of himself. not at Genesis 1:1 and 1:26, no that was to come at John 1:1
and glorified when he was resurrected.

now do I believe that Jesus is the Son of God... not in a biological sense as you and I are Naturally.. NO, listen to the definition of Son according to the Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words. listen to the definition, It is often used metaphorically of prominent moral characteristics.
descendants, without reference to sex, Rom 9:27. those who manifest a certain character, whether evil, Acts 13:10; Eph 2:2, or good, Luke 6:35; Acts 4:36; Rom 8:14.

Now God's character, or characteristics is him, listen, Hebrews 1:3 "Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;"

see that term "the express image". in the Greek it's
G5481 χαρακτήρ charakter (cha-rak-teer') n.
1. an engraver (the tool or the person).
2. (by implication) an engraving.
3. (hence) a “character,” the figure stamped.
4. (by extension) an exact copy.
5. (figuratively) a representation.
[from charasso “to sharpen to a point” (akin to G1125 through the idea of scratching)]
KJV: express image
Compare: G1125, G1504

there it is, in definition #3, "character", and ,G5207, huios it means, used metaphorically of prominent moral characteristics, or character. BINGO, "character". see he's the Holy Spirit, for "Holy"/Son is God's "character", and Spirit is his NATURE... hence the title, the HOLY/SON SPIRIT/FATHER.

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Matthew 28:19 (NKJV)
19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the NAME (singular) of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

Just like Gen 1:26!

 

[101G]

Matthew 28:19 (NKJV)
19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the NAME (singular) of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

Just like Gen 1:26!

no like Genesis 1:27, because now at Matthews 28:19 he is glorified in the Spirit as ONE.

for the NAME, and NOT name(s) is one Spirit, JESUS.

you're coming along,

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[kcnalp]

no like Genesis 1:27, because now at Matthews 28:19 he is glorified in the Spirit as ONE.

for the NAME, and NOT name(s) is one Spirit, JESUS.

you're coming along,

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No? That's no argument against Gen 1:26 and MT 28.

I've asked you this question before. Do you believe Jesus is the Son of God? It's a very simple question.
Mark 1:1 (NKJV)
1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God.

John 1:1-3 (KJV)
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

He was there in the beginning, not just an idea that you are propagating.

 

[101G]

No? That's no argument against Gen 1:26 and MT 28

I've asked you this question before. Do you believe Jesus is the Son of God? It's a very simple question.
Mark 1:1 (NKJV)
1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God.

we suggest you re-read post #213 again on the Son of God, which is God in flesh.

now as for Genesis 1:26 the us and the our. well let JESUS settle that question once and for all. listen, while speaking with the Pharisees on divorcement he answered the Genesis 1:26 question once and all. listen. Matthew 19:3 "The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?"Matthew 19:4 "And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,"

how many is "he" kcnalp? do you believe the Son of God now? God is ONE person and one PERSON only. you say you follow JESUS, well do you follow him now. he just eliminated any three person at Genesis 1:26.

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[kcnalp]

we suggest you re-read post #213 again on the Son of God, which is God in flesh.

now as for Genesis 1:26 the us and the our. well let JESUS settle that question once and for all. listen, while speaking with the Pharisees on divorcement he answered the Genesis 1:26 question once and all. listen. Matthew 19:3 "The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?"Matthew 19:4 "And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,"

how many is "he" kcnalp? do you believe the Son of God now? God is ONE person and one PERSON only. you say you follow JESUS, well do you follow him now. he just eliminated any three person at Genesis 1:26.

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It's a yes or no question.
Do you believe Jesus is the Son of God? It's a very simple question.
Mark 1:1 (NKJV)
1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God.

 

[kcnalp]

we suggest you re-read post #213 again on the Son of God, which is God in flesh.

We?

 

[101G]

It's a yes or no question.
Do you believe Jesus is the Son of God? It's a very simple question.
Mark 1:1 (NKJV)
1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God.

look, for the Last time, yes, I believe that there is a Son of God. is that clear enough?

now having said that, let me ask you a question, a simple question, is that Son of God is the same person who is God, in flesh, yes or no?. ... (smile).

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