If God forsook Jesus, the most righteous human to ever live, then none of us have any hope.
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According to Colossians Jesus is the "image" of the one who created him, but it is said that we are too....does that make us all God?Colossians 1:15-17, if by "eternal" one means "existing before the beginning of time and existing beyond its end".
"The firstborn of every creature" is saying that he was the first of many such "creatures". A creature is a "creation".15 Who (the "dear Son" from verse 13) is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Not sure what translation you are using there but here are those verses in the ESV....16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
The Bible itself denies that Jesus is God....It sure appears that way as many deny Jesus is God (YHWH ). And I do not mean oneness/modalism heresy either that some espouse. Jesus was/is fully God/fully man.
NASB.Not sure what translation you are using
Ahh, but here's the point: The verse ascribes to Jesus the act of Creation that in Judaism is understood to have been done by God and God alone. All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. (John 1:3)All things then came "through" the agency of the son....."all things were created through him and for him".
Ahh, but here's the point: The verse ascribes to Jesus the act of Creation that in Judaism is understood to have been done by God and God alone. All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. (John 1:3)
A Hellenistic Jew and contemporary of John and Jesus, Philo of Alexandria, equated the Wisdom of Proverbs 8:22-31 with Heraclitus's Λόγος ("Logos"), the creative and organizing principle behind the universe. It's possible that John knew of this Wisdom tradition among his people.Proverbs 8:22, 30-31 gives us a clue....this is said to be the personification of wisdom....
“The Lord made me at the beginning of His creation, before His works of long ago. . . . .
I was a skilled craftsman beside Him. I was His delight every day, always rejoicing before Him.
31 I was rejoicing in His inhabited world, delighting in the human race." (NASB)
In fashioning creation, the pre-human Jesus was intimately acquainted with all of it....especially human kind.
The apostle Paul wrote....1 Corinthians 1:24...
"However, to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ is the power of God and the wisdom of God."
Jesus is said to be "the wisdom of God".
"God why have you abandoned me"
If Jesus is God then why did He accuse Himself of abandonment???
It seems one has to apply some serious mental gymnastics or ignore this fact to be certain that Jesus is God
The thing that undid a lot of God’s worshippers in both ancient and modern times was following the ideas and philosophies of men rather than sticking to God’s word and following his explicit instructions to avoid going “beyond what is written”. (1 Corinthians 4:6)A Hellenistic Jew and contemporary of John and Jesus, Philo of Alexandria, equated the Wisdom of Proverbs 8:22-31 with Heraclitus's Λόγος ("Logos"), the creative and organizing principle behind the universe. It's possible that John knew of this Wisdom tradition among his people.
Jesus is God's word. Any printed matter whether it be the bible or other that does not line up with God's revelation of himself in Jesus does not qualify as God's word.The thing that undid a lot of God’s worshippers in both ancient and modern times was following the ideas and philosophies of men rather than sticking to God’s word and following his explicit instructions to avoid going “beyond what is written”. (1 Corinthians 4:6)
Regardless of what John was exposed to by way of human tradition, (something Jesus warned about. Matthew 15:8-9) what he recorded in his writings was “inspired by God” and hence devoid of human ideas. (2 Timothy 3:16-17)
The human ideas that became traditions were superimposed on the scriptures, not the other way around. So it was not God’s word that was interfered with, but the interpretation put upon it by those who were deceived by the devil....the sower of those “weeds”.
Yes....but who is speaking truth and who is swayed by human ideas? That is the question.Irony is the word that comes to mind here...
and you feel you are exempt?Yes....but who is speaking truth and who is swayed by human ideas? That is the question.
Satan doesn’t have to come down hard.....he can sway people with just a simple idea, a lie cleverly spun.....