Holy Spirit is not Holy Ghost — debate on!

[skypair]

The Holy Spirit = "Spirit of God" .. "the Word" (Jn 1) .. the wisdom of God (Prov 8:22-36) .. the scriptures (Eph 6:17) .. the "gospel of Jesus Christ"

The Holy Ghost (not found in scripture since the KJV) = the "Christ in you" (Col 1:27) .. the "Comforter" (Jn 14:26) .. the "mind of Christ" (1Cor 2:16) .. the "new man" (Eph 4:24, Col 3:10).

Another way to understand this is: The Holy Spirit is the revelation of God (1Cor 2:10). The Holy Ghost is the understanding of the Word of God (1Cor 2:13) — of the mysteries (2:7), the hidden wisdom (2:13), and the "deeper things of God (2:10).

What's the point? "You believe in God [Holy Spirit]; believe also in Me [Holy Ghost]." I know that everyone here has believed and received the Holy Spirit, but most have not received the Holy Ghost. Why? Because if you believe God (Acts 2:37) you are commanded to repent in order to be saved and receive the Holy Ghost (2:38).

This command is not just in the first (and model for) preaching of salvation, Acts 2:36-40. It is also commanded in Acts 3:19, 8:22,17:30, 20:21, and 26:20 where sinners are actually being "called" to repentance unto salvation in the name of Jesus Christ.

Do you know why the body of Christ is divided .. we are not "one body?" (Eph 4:4-6) It's because we don't all have this "one faith." We don't even have "one God and Father of all" due to our disparate gospel interpretations and theologies! We don't have "one baptism" of the Spirit because we did not all repent in order to receive it.

skypair

 

[101G]

GINOLJC, Good topic. just notice it.

The Holy Spirit = "Spirit of God" .. "the Word" (Jn 1) .. the wisdom of God (Prov 8:22-36) .. the scriptures (Eph 6:17) .. the "gospel of Jesus Christ"

Jesus the Christ is the Holy Spirit, the wisdom "of" God, 1 Corinthians 1:24.

The Holy Ghost (not found in scripture since the KJV) = the "Christ in you" (Col 1:27) .. the "Comforter" (Jn 14:26) .. the "mind of Christ" (1Cor 2:16) .. the "new man" (Eph 4:24, Col 3:10).

how about the Spirit of Christ in the OT prophets 1 Peter 1:10-11

Another way to understand this is: The Holy Spirit is the revelation of God (1Cor 2:10).

also Revelation 1:1

Do you know why the body of Christ is divided .. we are not "one body?" (Eph 4:4-6) It's because we don't all have this "one faith." We don't even have "one God and Father of all" due to our disparate gospel interpretations and theologies! We don't have "one baptism" of the Spirit because we did not all repent in order to receive it.

GOOD point.

 

[skypair]

Jesus the Christ is the Holy Spirit, the wisdom "of" God, 1 Corinthians 1:24.

He is the fulfillment of the Father's Spirit/wisdom regarding, among other things, salvation, yes.

how about the Spirit of Christ in the OT prophets 1 Peter 1:10-11

That's a great passage! The Spirit of Christ is the revelation of Him given to the prophets regarding their "Messiah." But now the Holy Ghost of Christ is being poured out and received and now the angels want to look into this new thing.

also Revelation 1:1

Don't know. Do you have anything?

skypair

 

[Angelina]

The Holy Spirit and the Holy ghost are the same person.

 

[101G]

He is the fulfillment of the Father's Spirit/wisdom regarding, among other things, salvation, yes.


That's a great passage! The Spirit of Christ is the revelation of Him given to the prophets regarding their "Messiah." But now the Holy Ghost of Christ is being poured out and received and now the angels want to look into this new thing.


Don't know. Do you have anything?

skypair

GINOLJC, first thanks for the response skypair. I will try to answer your post as best as possible.
U asked, "But now the Holy Ghost of Christ is being poured out and received and now the angels want to look into this new thing". first salvation is for, and of men, and not for the angels. for we will judge them. but of their desire of LOOKING into this redemptive Grace, even they the angels was it not revealed unto them the glory of God in flesh as to how he would accomplish this salvation. remember they have never see God in the flesh, supportive scripture, 1 Timothy 3:16 "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory". see, the angel as well as the Hebrews in the wilderness walk by a dim light, and the things that was to come was only a shadow to them. even the angels didn't know. they only carried a message from God, or supported the word of God. but was never charged to carry the Gospel. all these things was HIDDEN until now. this is one of many mysteries.
for the Gospel of Salvation of God is to be preached unto all men, not just to the Jews only. this is a work of God in his gifts, by his coming down to do this through men, (see Revelation 10:1-2, but the whole chapter is worth your read), but verse 2 there tells us how the Gospel is to go to all the world. (one foot on land, and the other on the sea), by land and by sea. and the little book that was eaten is the word of God in you to preach, and teach. all this began when he was poured out on Pentecost, see acts chapter 2:1-3. this was foretold of God by the prophet Joel 2:28 & 29. and from then on he is to be RECEIVED, by the preaching and teaching of his GOSPEL. for he is promised unto us also, even today. supportive scripture, Acts 2:38 "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call". so is God still calling people unto himself today? yes, so the Spirit of Christ and his gifts are for us today.

it is by Faith, Hope, (see Romans 8:24) that we're saved, and faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. and how can they hear unless they have a preacher. How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach, except they be sent?". see, the plan of Salvation is of God who dwell in us. it is HIM in us who preach and teach, and not us.
Hoped this helped. if I can be of any further assistance just ask.

 

[theQuestion]

No such thing as "ghosts"- except in False Religions...

 

[101G]

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No such thing as "ghosts"- except in False Religions...

now that's a shame, we can see that do better....... (smile)

 

[theQuestion]

To understand, one has to know the literal meaning of the key biblical words.
"holy"- Heb/Greek "set aside, apart" for a pure purpose
"spirit"- Heb/Greek "breath, wind" illustrating an unseen power or force.

GOD'S holy spirit= his unseen power He acts and speaks thru.

 

[101G]

To understand, one has to know the literal meaning of the key biblical words.
"holy"- Heb/Greek "set aside, apart" for a pure purpose
"spirit"- Heb/Greek "breath, wind" illustrating an unseen power or force.

GOD'S holy spirit= his unseen power He acts and speaks thru.

Not necessary. only in carnal thinking. example "Holy" is God's character or characteristics. and the characteristics of the Father is found in the son, Hebrews 1:3 "Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high". here the term "express image" in reference to the Son is the Greek word, G5481 χαρακτήρ charakter (cha-rak-teer') n.
1. an engraver (the tool or the person).
2. (by implication) an engraving.
3. (hence) a “character,” the figure stamped.
4. (by extension) an exact copy.
5. (figuratively) a representation.
[from charasso “to sharpen to a point” (akin to G1125 through the idea of scratching)]
KJV: express image
now what is the SPIRITUAL definition of character? answer, according to Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words "Son", or ,G5207, huios and the son is the "EXPRESS IMAGE" of God. and what do the Spiritual definition of G5207, huios means? answer, It is often used metaphorically of prominent moral characteristics. descendants, without reference to sex, Rom 9:27. those who act in a certain way, whether evil, Matt 23:31, or good, Gal 3:7; (g) those who manifest a certain character, whether evil, Acts 13:10; Eph 2:2, or good, Luke 6:35; Acts 4:36; Rom 8:14; (h) the destiny that corresponds with the character, whether evil, Matt 23:15.

see question, just don't carnally understand definitions all the time. let the Holy Spirit/Ghost.... teach you some Spiritual things. now just in this post alone there is a BIG revelation beside what we're speaking about. but one need Spiritual eyes to see it.

hoped this helped.

 

[Angelina]

What is the difference between the Holy Spirit and Holy Ghost?
"With recent Scripture translations, "Spirit" has replaced "Ghost" in most instances. Some of this came about because words don't always hold their meanings. In the days of Shakespeare or King James, ghost meant the living essence of a person. Looking back, we see that "breath" or "soul" were often used as synonyms of "ghost." During these times, spirit normally meant the essence of a departed person or a demonic or paranormal apparition. As language evolved, people started saying "ghost" when speaking of the vision of a dead person while "spirit" became the standard term for life or living essence, often also for "soul." With slight exceptions, "ghost" and "spirit" changed places over some 300 years."

 

[theQuestion]

Not necessary. only in carnal thinking.

"Carnal Thinking" is the church term used to discourage ... QUESTIONing.
To wave away the words used in scripture in favor of church coprolite, is why so many have been fooled.

God SENDS, FILLS people with, SPLITS into PORTIONS, teaches, inspires, and speaks through his "breath", his SPIRIT, his POWER.
No Nameless Ghost-God.

 

[101G]

so then, that means you have no scripture to refute what I said.

 

[theQuestion]

so then, that means you have no scripture to refute what I said.

The Entire Bible refutes your claim~ God SENDS, FILLS people with, SPLITS into PORTIONS, teaches, inspires, and speaks through his "breath", his SPIRIT, his POWER.

No Nameless Ghost-God.

 

[101G]

The Entire Bible refutes your claim~ God SENDS, FILLS people with, SPLITS into PORTIONS, teaches, inspires, and speaks through his "breath", his SPIRIT, his POWER.

No Nameless Ghost-God.

so then I can take this as you definitely don't know the the scriptures as to what was explain.....

good night until tommorrow..... evening.

 

[theQuestion]

so then I can take this as you definitely don't know the the scriptures as to what was explain.....
good night until tommorrow..... evening.

Are you saying One of your God-Beings sent Himself, FILLS people with Himself, SPLIT Himself into PORTIONS, teaches, inspires, and speaks through Himself as a Ghost?

 

[FHII]

What a bunch of mindless rubble!

 

[theQuestion]

What a bunch of mindless rubble!

Yes the Catholic-Fabricated 'Holy Ghost' and 'Trinity' , etc are just that!

 

[Helen]

Are you saying One of your God-Beings sent Himself, FILLS people with Himself, SPLIT Himself into PORTIONS, teaches, inspires, and speaks through Himself as a Ghost?

Must admit that is the silliest post that you have made.
I don't always agree with what you say...must even when disagreeing I can usually see where you are coming from and why.

Ever heard of ONE. He is not divided....
Eph 4 5 "One Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all."

 

[theQuestion]

Must admit that is the silliest post that you have made.
I don't always agree with what you say...must even when disagreeing I can usually see where you are coming from and why.

Ever heard of ONE. He is not divided....
Eph 4 5 "One Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all."

Grace- who said "divided".
If One of your 'God' is a 'holy ghost', then that is what 'They' did.

I think you know better, yet find it to painful to admit.

 

[Helen]

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