HOMOSEXUALITY REVISITED

[sniper762]

this topic has been debated here before but I felt that I needed to include this sceanario.

some say that they support homosexuality, lesbianism and same sex unions. their reasoning is that it is a right and that there is nothing ethically, morally, spiritually or naturally WRONG with it. well, lets apply that same reasoning toward beastiality (or sexual interaction between different species) and incest. what applies to one should apply to the other.

lets take natural into consideration. although technically an animal, we civilized humans are held at higher standards than other animals. although some despicaple acts are common in the uncivilized animal kingdom, sexual interactions among them exclude same sex.

I view homosexuality and lesbianism to be in the same class with beastiality and incest and consider them to be not only ungodly, but unethical, disrespectful, immoral and unnatural.

 

[aspen]

You are comparing apples and oranges. Animals cannot consent.

 

[This Vale Of Tears]

this topic has been debated here before but I felt that I needed to include this sceanario. some say that they support homosexuality, lesbianism and same sex unions. their reasoning is that it is a right and that there is nothing ethically, morally, spiritually or naturally WRONG with it. well, lets apply that same reasoning toward beastiality (or sexual interaction between different species) and incest. what applies to one should apply to the other. lets take natural into consideration. although technically an animal, we civilized humans are held at higher standards than other animals. although some despicaple acts are common in the uncivilized animal kingdom, sexual interactions among them exclude same sex. I view homosexuality and lesbianism to be in the same class with beastiality and incest and consider them to be not only ungodly, but unethical, disrespectful, immoral and unnatural.

this topic has been debated here before but I felt that I needed to include this sceanario. some say that they support homosexuality, lesbianism and same sex unions. their reasoning is that it is a right and that there is nothing ethically, morally, spiritually or naturally WRONG with it. well, lets apply that same reasoning toward beastiality (or sexual interaction between different species) and incest. what applies to one should apply to the other. lets take natural into consideration. although technically an animal, we civilized humans are held at higher standards than other animals. although some despicaple acts are common in the uncivilized animal kingdom, sexual interactions among them exclude same sex. I view homosexuality and lesbianism to be in the same class with beastiality and incest and consider them to be not only ungodly, but unethical, disrespectful, immoral and unnatural.

The question is, if homosexuality is wrong as a matter of personal conduct, does that create an impetus to enact social policy to outlaw it? Put in more contemporary terms, should our government who has recently demonstrated glib audacity at spying on American citizens be given unfettered access to what consenting adults do in the privacy of their bedrooms? Should government be empowered to forbid certain associations and micro-manage the interractions between private citizens? I think the question answers itself.

On the moral question, I do agree that homosexuality is out of line with God's will for our lives and the design by which people interact sexually and procreate to raise the next generation. Biologically, it's evident that we weren't built to interface with the same gender sexually and even Charles Darwin called homosexuality an evolutionary dead end. But I think the question of emphasis should come into play. Yes the Bible condemns this activity in both the Old and New Testaments, but there seems to be a greater concern for how we treat our fellow man than how we shag our fellow man. With our special attention on homosexuality, are we guilty of straining a gnat and swallowing a camel? Among Christians who believe that homosexuality is permissible and practice it, I would more closely examine their lives to see if they are charitable, committed to the welfare of those around them, and prolific in the love of Christ. How God will judge us in the end is no mystery, particularly when you look at the Parable of the Sheep and Goats, where charitable renderings to fellow human beings becomes a deciding factor between heaven and hell, between knowing Christ and not knowing Him.

 

[Rex]

I see the catholic love doctors are first on the homosexuality scene prescribing love pills for everyone.

The prescription of love and bubbles for everyone anytime is nothing more than the shield of the enemy.

If we follow the love prescription to the end it leads us to questions like, If God is nothing but love then why did he even bother with the law? or right or wrong, or for that matter the bible at all, because you see a God that loves in any and all situations could never judge anyone anyway. The bible speaks volumes about Gods judgment, the love doctors answer to judgement or condemnation of wrong doing is to prescribe love pills in any and all situations, Gods antidote for open opposition is death, not unconditional love and bubbles pills.

So you see the love doctors prescription of love and bubbles 3 times a day in every instance is nothing more than placing a mussel on the truth,
It's a band-aid with a cartoon image of Jesus on the outside. It's used by these people as a medication that is able to justify and cure "cover" any type of sinful behavior. It's misuse has become the shield of the enemy, shielding everyone that takes doctors prescription from the arrows of the truth, "it's sinful and an abomination before God"
This love band-aid is a counterfeit love and prevents the true healing of Jesus threw the HS.

 

[John S]

When you meet a homosexual
Do you treat him or her with respect, equality, and dignity (Christian behavior)
or do you treat him or her with disdain, disrespect, and hatred (antichristian behavior)?
Why do I tend to think that it is more of the latter?

Bestiality - Really?

 

[This Vale Of Tears]

I see the catholic love doctors are first on the homosexuality scene prescribing love pills for everyone.

Silly me for thinking that loving the sinner is the appropriate Christian conduct.


The prescription of love and bubbles for everyone anytime is nothing more than the shield of the enemy.

Whereas hate sends the enemy scurrying for the hills?



If we follow the love prescription to the end it leads us to questions like, If God is nothing but love then why did he even bother with the law? or right or wrong, or for that matter the bible at all, because you see a God that loves in any and all situations could never judge anyone anyway. The bible speaks volumes about Gods judgment, the love doctors answer to judgement or condemnation of wrong doing is to prescribe love pills in any and all situations, Gods antidote for open opposition is death, not unconditional love and bubbles pills.

Because only in your mind is the law of God and the love of God in conflict. The laws God gives us by which to live are for our benefit and are an expression of a loving God that doesn't want us to fall prey to the consequences of iniquity. God's justice and God's love are not in conflict.


So you see the love doctors prescription of love and bubbles 3 times a day in every instance is nothing more than placing a mussel on the truth,
It's a band-aid with a cartoon image of Jesus on the outside. It's used by these people as a medication that is able to justify and cure "cover" any type of sinful behavior. It's misuse has become the shield of the enemy, shielding everyone that takes doctors prescription from the arrows of the truth, "it's sinful and an abomination before God"
This love band-aid is a counterfeit love and prevents the true healing of Jesus threw the HS.

Jesus was despised by your kind in his day precisely because he didn't hate the people you expected him to hate. He was criticized for associating with tax collectors, prostitutes, and sinners. His message was so popular that the people thronged around him, yearning to hear his every word. If Christianity is trying to be more like Christ, do you honestly think you fit the definition?

 

[Rex]

Jesus was despised by your kind in his day precisely because he didn't hate the people you expected him to hate. He was criticized for associating with tax collectors, prostitutes, and sinners. His message was so popular that the people thronged around him, yearning to hear his every word. If Christianity is trying to be more like Christ, do you honestly think you fit the definition?

The first line of defense, grab the hate paint brush.


http://www.alliance4lifemin.org/ten_misconceptions.php
How many people in this world have you ever - hated? I know of some people I dislike - but hated? If we are to love, as God loves, are we not to hate as God hates? But you say, "God is all love, He never hated anyone" - or did He
Today, regardless of the issue, "hate" is the buzz word used by virtually everyone who disagrees with another person. When honest differences cannot be discussed intelligently, a picture is often portrayed of the sinner being a victim of the sin, instead of its evil author. In this case hate is more than likely the scapegoat. Although saint and sinner alike are equally guilty of this same deception, to disagree with another person is not by any means hateful.
Modern day use for the word "hate," which is closely aliened with tolerance, started as a deflection of truth by sodomites who promote the homosexual lifestyle and is purely an attempt to redirect the issue to a discussion that is more defensible on their part. Although the term "hate crime," was invented for this purpose, as with the word "choice," it is totally deceptive and destructive to the furtherance of honest debate and pro-life / profamily ministry efforts. The old proverb, "When the good are overly merciful to the bad, the good eventually become the bad," comes to mind. For some time churches have been doing whatever they could to convince believers we should always "turn the other cheek," to avoid controversy, like the great SINS of our day, abortion, sodomy, adultery, divorce, gambling, pornography, addictions, political liberalism, etc., to do anything else would be . . . it would be . . . hateful - wouldn’t it? Biblical references to God’s wrath and anger are too frequent to easily be counted. But in order to understand Scripture and God’s instructions we must begin by acknowledging a universal law of Christianity and three laws of hermeneutics (the science of interpretation).

 

[This Vale Of Tears]

The first line of defense, grab the hate paint brush.

Funny how you see knee-jerk reactions when you yourself are guilty of them. You haven't been paying attention to my posts if you think I'm a Left wing twit bandying around emotionally charged buzzwords. You react without actually listening to people and from my observation, you do that to a lot of people on this forum. It's a sure recipe for unfruitful conversations bereft of any real communication. Opposing homosexuality is not hatred, it's righteousness reasserting the natural order. But one can be so zealous in their opposition to homosexuality that they can forget to love the sinner, and more importantly forget that loving the sinner should be the greatest passion for the Christian, so that those who know we don't approve of their lifestyle can have no doubt that we love them. Scripture calls us to "detest what is evil, cling to what is good" and you get high marks for your devoted compliance to that passage of the Bible. But behind the lifestyle is God's beloved created, made in his image, who God died for and will abandon the 99 sheep for. To see only the lifestyle and be blind to the human being blinded by the lies of Satan is to miss an opportunity to reach that person for Christ.

 

[aspen]

Rex I see you have resurrected the Love and Bubbles Strawman again - what's it been, a day? Two? You need him, Rex - Love and Bubbles reminds me of one of those blow up clowns that kids punch down and they stand up again on their own. Keep building that strawman and knocking him over, Rex! HaHa!

 

[Rex]

In all aspen I find it quite amusing that the defense of love and bubbles you and your catholic friend use is the very same used by gay activist.
Your marching in the same parade.

Hence the term love and bubbles it has that gay quality.......... don't you agree?

 

[mjrhealth]

Mat 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
Mat 7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
Mat 7:3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
Mat 7:4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
Mat 7:5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

Oh it is so sad to see, this same topic raised again and again, as if this is more important than Christ Himself. The greatest sinner of all is the christian who sees the sin and forgets the sinner. We have no right to judge any man, we are not qualified for we ourselves are sinners, and Christ sees all sin the same, so why do "christians"make this the worst of all. Christians run around declaring to the world how the world needs them, the world doesnt need you it needs Christ. We live in a fallen world and the decay worsens everyday, it is ok for some one to be born with two heads, or four arms or cojoined but God forbid you feel like you are in the wrong body even at 5 years old, Be careful you have not become like the pharisees who walked around claiming there rightousness while Christ tried to explain to them how blind they where.

In all His Love

 

[This Vale Of Tears]

Mat 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
Mat 7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
Mat 7:3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
Mat 7:4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
Mat 7:5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

Oh it is so sad to see, this same topic raised again and again, as if this is more important than Christ Himself. The greatest sinner of all is the christian who sees the sin and forgets the sinner. We have no right to judge any man, we are not qualified for we ourselves are sinners, and Christ sees all sin the same, so why do "christians"make this the worst of all. Christians run around declaring to the world how the world needs them, the world doesnt need you it needs Christ. We live in a fallen world and the decay worsens everyday, it is ok for some one to be born with two heads, or four arms or cojoined but God forbid you feel like you are in the wrong body even at 5 years old, Be careful you have not become like the pharisees who walked around claiming there rightousness while Christ tried to explain to them how blind they where.

In all His Love

Now that's a quotable statement and very germane to this discussion. It seems that some have forgotten that we're ALL saved by grace.

 

[Rex]

Mat 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
Mat 7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
Mat 7:3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
Mat 7:4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
Mat 7:5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

Oh it is so sad to see, this same topic raised again and again, as if this is more important than Christ Himself. The greatest sinner of all is the christian who sees the sin and forgets the sinner. We have no right to judge any man, we are not qualified for we ourselves are sinners, and Christ sees all sin the same, so why do "christians"make this the worst of all. Christians run around declaring to the world how the world needs them, the world doesnt need you it needs Christ. We live in a fallen world and the decay worsens everyday, it is ok for some one to be born with two heads, or four arms or cojoined but God forbid you feel like you are in the wrong body even at 5 years old, Be careful you have not become like the pharisees who walked around claiming there rightousness while Christ tried to explain to them how blind they where.

In all His Love

YeP I hate to see the gay topic started again myself.
Soooo I thought I would expose there greatest defense LOVE EVERYTHING otherwise YOUR A HATER christian mentality.

Its really to bad MJR that you have taken the possion that speaking of sin is sinful. It's a common attribute flooding churches today.

What about this verse? 1 Cor 2:15

And as for hating how about we take a bible tour and find out If God is love in every situation, Is he a love and bubbles God?

The term "hate the sin but love the sinner" is a paraphrase taken from a letter by St. Augustine, giving instruction for discipline to a religious order of nuns. It was never meant as a panacea to serve in place of punishment for a wrongdoer!

In the commonly referred to verses of Psalm 139:1-18, David lists a stirring message of God’s perfect knowledge of man. But have you ever read the continuing verses Psalm 139:19-22 ? "Oh God, if only you would destroy the wicked! Get out of my life, you murderers! They blaspheme you; your enemies take your name in vain. O Lord, shouldn’t I hate those who hate you? Shouldn’t I despise those who resist you? Yes, I hate them with complete hatred, for your enemies are my enemies."

In the Hebrew version of these verses David states he personally and extremely did not "love" God’s enemies. Again in Hebrew translation,
Mal 1:3 states also that God did not love Esau, "Yes I have loved Jacob, but Esau I have hated."

Additionally, 2 Chronicles 19:2 asks in a condemning tone, "Should you help the wicked and love the Lord? Therefore the wrath of the Lord is upon you."

In Proverbs 6:17 God also states in Hebrew that He hates, not only shedding of innocent blood, but the person (human form) that was responsible for the evil!

Psalm 5:6-7 states, "The boastful shall not stand in your sight; You hate all workers of iniquity. You shall destroy those who speak falsehood; The Lord abhors the bloodthirsty and deceitful man,"
Proverbs 14: 17 states, "And a man of wicked intentions is hated."

The greatest sinner of all is the christian who sees the sin and forgets the sinner.

Now that's a quotable statement and very germane to this discussion. It seems that some have forgotten that we're ALL saved by grace.

Proverbs 8:13, "And the perverse mouth I hate." We cannot address sin without affecting the sinner. It will not be the sin that is sentenced to hell at the Judgment, it will be the unrepentant sinner.

The term "hate the sin but love the sinner" is a paraphrase taken from a letter by St. Augustine, giving instruction for discipline to a religious order of nuns. It was never meant as a panacea to serve in place of punishment for a wrongdoer!

 

[marksman]

You are comparing apples and oranges. Animals cannot consent.

You are most definitely wrong about that. One of my favourite programmes on TV is natural history. I have watched a number of them and nearly in every case, when a randy male approaches a female, she decides if it will happen and when it will happen.

With our special attention on homosexuality, are we guilty of straining a gnat and swallowing a camel?

No. We have not chosen to give special attention to homosexuality. Homosexuals have made us give it attention as they have made it quite clear that the church has got to be brought to heel on the subject so there is an all out onslaught against it.

In the discussion about same sex marriage (SSM) they have made it quite clear that the church gets no exemption and that they have to marry two men whether they like it or not. In the UK, ministers are already before the courts because they refuse to marry two men.

The homosexuals agenda is very clear. They want the removal of freedom of speech, religion and conscience if you don't agree with them. They have made a war cry of intolerance, bigotry and hatred and yet the very clear evidence is that they are the most intolerant, bigoted and hateful people on the planet.

Disagree with them and all hell will be let loose.

A friend of mine wrote a book about homosexuality that took 15 years to research and he has 700 references in it. The homosexuals response (without reading it) is that it is a pack of lies and when he had his book launch, they invaded it banginig drums, blowing whistles and shouting obscenities.

Very tolerant you might say.

So.....no gnats or camels, just an all out attack by Satan to silence the church into submission to his will. Sadly there are plenty of churches that have been subdued and even some are siding with him by accepting the homosexual and his sin and saying that God blesses it.

How God will judge us in the end is no mystery, particularly when you look at the Parable of the Sheep and Goats, where charitable renderings to fellow human beings becomes a deciding factor between heaven and hell, between knowing Christ and not knowing Him.

This sounds like salvation by works, not by the blood of Jesus.

Be careful you have not become like the pharisees who walked around claiming there rightousness while Christ tried to explain to them how blind they where.

You cannot address a topic adequately unless you know all the facts. Making glib statements will not advance knowledge or understanding.

The blind are the homosexuals as they believe all these....

1. People are born homosexual
2. Sexual orientation can never change
3. Efforts to change someone’s sexual orientation from homosexual to heterosexual are harmful
and unethical.
4. 10% of the population are homosexual
5. Homosexuals do not experience a higher level of psychological disorders than heterosexuals.
6. Homosexual conduct is not harmful to one’s physical health
7. Children raised by homosexuals are no different from children raised by heterosexuals, nor
do they suffer harm.
8. Homosexuals are no more likely to molest children than heterosexuals.
9. Homosexuals are seriously disadvantaged by discrimination.
10. Homosexual relationships are just the same as heterosexual ones, except for the gender of
the partners.

These are the lies invented by the homosexualists as the basis of their onslaught to legitimise their perversion.

And make no mistake about this is a fight to the death by Satan to destroy God's order for the society he created, an ultimate act of rebellion.

If you don't believe me consider this story that has come to light. Two homosexuals bought a baby boy for $8,000 and from the age of two they began to sodomise him until the age of six. They also shared him with other homosexual paedophiles.

Fortunately they were found out and they are beginning a 40 year jail term although it won't last that long because prisoners seem to have an unenlightened view of paedophiles.

Now, if that is not total debauchery, I don't know what is and you haven't seen nothing yet.

 

[This Vale Of Tears]

You are most definitely wrong about that. One of my favourite programmes on TV is natural history. I have watched a number of them and nearly in every case, when a randy male approaches a female, she decides if it will happen and when it will happen.

I don't know what channels you've been watching, but unless it's a female tarantula who mates and then kills the male, the male quite often mounts the female as she struggles in what can best be described as rape.

No. We have not chosen to give special attention to homosexuality. Homosexuals have made us give it attention as they have made it quite clear that the church has got to be brought to heel on the subject so there is an all out onslaught against it.

Yes, there is a war against Christians by the radical LGBT who represent a small minority within the homosexual community. They seek to either compromise or subdue the church.


In the discussion about same sex marriage (SSM) they have made it quite clear that the church gets no exemption and that they have to marry two men whether they like it or not. In the UK, ministers are already before the courts because they refuse to marry two men.

The homosexuals agenda is very clear. They want the removal of freedom of speech, religion and conscience if you don't agree with them. They have made a war cry of intolerance, bigotry and hatred and yet the very clear evidence is that they are the most intolerant, bigoted and hateful people on the planet.

Disagree with them and all hell will be let loose.

This is a point I've made repeatedly about homosexuality to the chagrin of those who say I'm an apologist for them. Individual homosexuals can be wonderful human beings, but when homosexuals grow in numbers, they become militant. The story of Sodom and Gomorrah is truly revealing. After they had taken over the two cities, they began to expand outward, oppressing their neighbors. It is, in fact, the outcry of their neighbors that caused God to send 2 angels to destroy the cities. They don't stay in their own corner, they don't respect differences, and they are intolerant and belligerent. So there is nothing you say here that I disagree with.

The question is, how do we as Christians reach out to individual homosexuals while at the same time mount a resistance to the homosexual agenda?


So.....no gnats or camels, just an all out attack by Satan to silence the church into submission to his will. Sadly there are plenty of churches that have been subdued and even some are siding with him by accepting the homosexual and his sin and saying that God blesses it.

And this is wrong. My point about the weakness of Protestants is not borne of malice, but rather drawn from history. Jesus established an authoritative church on earth before he left and it wasn't a book, it was men. Even the Bible which was made official in the 4th century, was a product of authority, not an authority itself. A system by which people read the Bible and decide for themselves what it means is a system by which people become an authority unto themselves. While giving verbal assent to the Bible as an authority, it is really up to each individual to decide what the Bible says, which is why even the most unambiguous condemnations of homosexuality in Exodus, Leviticus, and Romans can be reinterpreted to suit the predrawn conclusions of the reader. The Church that Jesus left was never set up as an anarchy and was designed in such a way as to prevent doctrinal chaos.


This sounds like salvation by works, not by the blood of Jesus.

Funny. I quote directly from Matthew 25 and you call it "salvation by works". I got news for you and the late Martin Luther as well. The only time you see the words "faith alone" in the Bible is when James asserts that a man is saved by WORKS and NOT faith alone. The problem with Protestants is that they read the Bible in such way as to defy its actual message, a problem that is leading to the aforementioned compromise on the issue of homosexuality.




1. People are born homosexual

Nobody is born homosexual, nor is it a conscious choice made later in life. Homosexuals find out about their sexual orientation at about the same time as heterosexuals, at the cusp of puberty. But quite often a tragic event such as sexual abuse alters the normal course of sexual development.


2. Sexual orientation can never change
3. Efforts to change someone’s sexual orientation from homosexual to heterosexual are harmful
and unethical.

The very experts on therapy intended to change sexual orientation, Exodus International, has finally had to conclude that their theories were incorrect and have only caused people harm. Even those who thought they were converted found out eventually that they weren't. The problem with many Christians is that they see science as the enemy, so they forsake the scientific method of finding the truth, especially if that truth is at variance with what they want to believe that the homosexual orientation is a choice and like any choice, it is subject to a change of mind. Never do people like you ever stop to consider that you might be wrong and that's sad for people who are supposed to be children of light walking in the truth.


4. 10% of the population are homosexual
It's an old myth. I was in high school when the Left was trying to inculcate us children into believing this, concurrent with another myth that AIDS was just as likely to strike heterosexuals as homosexuals.



5. Homosexuals do not experience a higher level of psychological disorders than heterosexuals.
6. Homosexual conduct is not harmful to one’s physical health

In fact, homosexuals are at a greater risk for drug abuse, suicide, and a shortened life span. Excessive anal copulation has caused some men damage to their colon to the point they have to use colostomy bags. It's clear that nature never intended this.



7. Children raised by homosexuals are no different from children raised by heterosexuals, nor
do they suffer harm.
They do claim that children can be nurtured in a same sex home just as well as a heterosexual home. The counter point I make is that a home that lacks either a father or mother cannot be said to be equal to a home that has both mother and father. And when talking about foster children and adoption, should society not place these children in ideal circumstances instead of just sufficient?



8. Homosexuals are no more likely to molest children than heterosexuals.

This is hard to substantiate either way. Homosexuals represent less than 2% of the population which invariably means that most children are molested by heterosexuals. Pederasty runs the gamut between homosexual and heterosexual and is a perversion of both.


9. Homosexuals are seriously disadvantaged by discrimination.

I live in Idaho where an employer can say they won't hire somebody or will fire somebody because they're homosexual. Sexual orientation is not a protected status here, But do you know how often it happens? Never! Homosexuals do tend to exaggerate their "plight", at least some of them.

10. Homosexual relationships are just the same as heterosexual ones, except for the gender of
the partners.

And we know that's not true. Biologically, emotionally, and spiritually we were made to compliment the opposite sex. God made us male and female to fit in a perfect union where the weaknesses in one gender is shored up by the strength in the other. I can honestly say that my wife has made me a better man and it's because she was created that way.




And make no mistake about this is a fight to the death by Satan to destroy God's order for the society he created, an ultimate act of rebellion.

If you don't believe me consider this story that has come to light. Two homosexuals bought a baby boy for $8,000 and from the age of two they began to sodomise him until the age of six. They also shared him with other homosexual paedophiles.

Fortunately they were found out and they are beginning a 40 year jail term although it won't last that long because prisoners seem to have an unenlightened view of paedophiles.

This is anecdotal evidence and circumstantial at best. I mostly agree with your points, but if we're Christians, we ought to value truth above all other things and readily dispense with cherished beliefs that don't coincide with the evidence. And there are a lot of claims in your arguments that are nothing more than popular myths told from one Christian to another and never exposed to the light of scrutiny. I fault many Christians with being insincere in their professed desire to reach homosexuals for Christ. So strong is your aversion that you willingly believe falsehoods about them. From the homosexuals' viewpoint, why should they trust or listen to people who are blindly and eagerly wedded to inaccurate information? The language of love is to pursue the truth about others, the language of hate is to fabricate untruths about an enemy. The message to homosexuals from Christians is loud and clear: WE HATE YOU! And they are repelled by it. So when are Christians going to own up to their role in obstructing homosexuals from finding the love of Christ?

 

[mjrhealth]

The blind are the homosexuals as they believe all these...

.The blind are the pharisses whom cant see that the fall of man has not just added two heads two a fish, or deformed a human beeing. They always seek to hate never to love always to blame never to forgive. see the sin in others but never in themselves.

Hos 6:5 Therefore have I hewed them by the prophets; I have slain them by the words of my mouth: and thy judgments are as the light that goeth forth.
Hos 6:6 For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.
Hos 6:7 But they like men have transgressed the covenant: there have they dealt treacherously against me.

Mat_9:13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Which of you would stone a five year old child, innocent in teh eyes of God or call Him a sinner just because his FLESH says he is a girl in a boys body ??

In all His Love

 

[This Vale Of Tears]

.The blind are the pharisses whom cant see that the fall of man has not just added two heads two a fish, or deformed a human beeing. They always seek to hate never to love always to blame never to forgive. see the sin in others but never in themselves.

Hos 6:5 Therefore have I hewed them by the prophets; I have slain them by the words of my mouth: and thy judgments are as the light that goeth forth.
Hos 6:6 For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.
Hos 6:7 But they like men have transgressed the covenant: there have they dealt treacherously against me.

Mat_9:13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Which of you would stone a five year old child, innocent in teh eyes of God or call Him a sinner just because his FLESH says he is a girl in a boys body ??

In all His Love

You've got to be kidding! Any 5 year old saying he's a girl in a boy's body is being brainwashed by the adults in his life and only intentional ignorance can blind you to that. Perverting the teachings of Christ to defend homosexuality and transgenderism is disrespectful to say the least. But it also alludes to an all too common problem, seeing Jesus as somehow different than the God of the Old Testament who said that homosexual conduct and cross dressing are abominable acts worthy of death. There is a readily identifiable trend among those who want to usurp the scriptures to the defense of deviant lifestyles eclectically utilizing passages from the gospels to make it appear that God does indeed tolerate or even approve of perversion. These people avoid the Old Testament and any other part of the Bible that confounds their beliefs and they leverage chosen passages against the entirety of scripture.

The only thing I agree with is your first statement about thinking that another person's sin is worse than ours, that sins are unequal in their capacity to separate us eternally from the love of God. The rest is just so much absurdity.

 

[mjrhealth]

God has never changed, but the fall has changed man, but the religious will never understand, they will always want Justice never willing to ask God what He thinks.

Mat 5:43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
Mat 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

Mat 5:21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
Mat 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

The religious wil never see eye to eye with God, they will always argue against His comapssion and mercy. But one day you will alll see the foolishnees of your ways, I hope He doesnt judger you as you have judged them.

In all His Love

 

[Rex]

MJR You do know that
The oldest Greek manuscripts of the New Testament, the Alexandrian text, does not mention "bless those who curse you, do good to those that hate you." The Alexandrian text reads, "But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you." The remainder of the quotation has been added by man!

Common sense tells any sincere student of Scripture that this verse cannot mean as it appears to be written. The accepted view among biblical scholars is that such an approach (with parallels Buddhism) would be unrealistic and unworkable! It is important for Christians to realize that if a New Testament quotation by Christ seems to contradict the greater part of Holy Scripture, the reader must be interpreting the quotation incorrectly. Jesus has no authority to contradict His Father. Such is the case with many of these "new age" theological clichés we experience today.

I'm certainly glad to have the HS to guide me instead of having to resort to your method

The religious wil never see eye to eye with God, they will always argue against His comapssion and mercy. But one day you will alll see the foolishnees of your ways, I hope He doesnt judger you as you have judged them.

In all His Love

And how about those sodomites God really showed them compassion and mercy didn't He Gen 18:32 Gen 19:13
And lets hope He doesn't find you holding hands and breaking bread with the enemies of God. 2 Chr 19:2

So there's the "apparent" contradiction in the bible I hope you choose wisely.

Love and bubbles is not the Gospel
Does God love His enemies? care to take a bible trip and find out

just how much God loves his enemies?

 

[mjrhealth]

Good thing i never went to bible school than??

So are you going to call them sinners and stone them ??

SO do you agree, as God sees them, innocent covered by the blood of teh lamb, sinless in His sight, or as the devil sees them sinners worthy of death, because a hunderd million christians agree with him the accuser.??


Lets not forget that God destoyrd teh world once already by flood, and the dead where not all "homosexuals".

In al His Love