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How Do You Bear Witness Counts

Discussion in 'Testimonial Forum' started by JesusIsFaithful, May 10, 2017.

  1. Sword

    Sword Well-Known Member

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    What was different other than they were growing into Christ?
     
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    well, you would have to undergo the experience to see. What is different is that it is growing into Christ, but no one does it.

    When the two of you leave town, no money or extra shirt, and go somewhere that is not "home" and get taken in, and then "eat what they give you" which is prolly not going to be "food" that you would choose, iow you might be tempted to disagree or argue doctrine or whatever, but that is not what was commanded, "eat what they give you," well, these are all humbling experiences.
     
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    pia Well-Known Member

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    Herein is one of Gods bottom lines, as He taught me over a few years........
    We will use the example of how the world system works..........For a person to give TESTIMONY in say, a court of law, so as to be an actual WITNESS, one MUST have seen or heard ONESELF, whatever it is one is testifying to or about...............One cannot testify to something one has read or heard through someone else , that is what is called 'hearsay'.......
    What I see as the single biggest problem The Lord has today, is that most believers have been taught via hearsay, instead of by and through the Holy Spirit, and all try very hard to be and to do as they have read or heard from others , BUT ( and I sincerely hope you do agree with this ) to be 'transformed' into the image and likeness of Christ isn't something we can do without Him In us, and us In Him ( and thereby connected to our Father ). When we think of a transformer, it takes power strong enough to kill a person and converts it into usable battery power, or it does the opposite......So to be 'transformed' is not a self help, 10 step program, but rather a display of the power of God..........
    I am (at least in my mind) a very fortunate person in as much as, having been a virtual atheist till the age of 30, then having what they call a 'near death experience' and finding out I couldn't have been more wrong AND that Jesus ( and therefore God also ) was actually real ! I can assure you that, that transformed my life in a lot of ways...................
    By the way, let us not forget Jesus saying :" Blessed are they who have believed without having seen."......In my case I truly doubt any Christian I have met during all of the years since, could have convinced me of God being real in any way, shape or form........All they ever wanted to do was to preach to the already converted and using the Bible to justify, thinking of themselves way more highly than they ought to have, and basically just a lot of Bible bashing............ It didn't matter which branch of Christianity they said they were from, they all came across the same ( even if their doctrines were a little different ), and I really did seek out a few, because of the way I came into believing...............I am and always will be super grateful to Jesus for having mercy on me that night and not only saving me from death, but then to show Himself and following that up with hours of replying to questions I kept asking Him.....BUT most of all because He showed me He is REAL, not just like Santa Claus or the Easter bunny .
    The point of all this ? I can say that I am a witness, to those things which He said to me, face to face, (but not to other things).........Something He has done with me 8 times over the past 3 decades....... I can testify of His love for the human race, or for any individual I might be witnessing to at any particular time, and look them in the eye when I say it, and they see for themselves the truth in what I am telling them ( many a grown man has broken down and wept, as I have witnessed to them) and the truth, spoken in love is one of Gods most powerful tools in getting through to those who simply do not know and get their faith ignited......
    We must obviously always, all be careful that in our zeal in finding and bringing in the lost, we don't rely on anything other than the TRUTH, our experienced TRUTH ( otherwise it wouldn't be truth anyway ).....People respond to sincerity and to things they can relate to.......I also respond to that, as well as those rare individuals who actually come across as someone who knows what they're talking about .
    From the description of your walk with Him you would obviously come across as someone who isn't just talking the talk, and that goes a long way for some........ Many people I have met who were Christians, acted anything but Christ like :)
    Thank you for your post..................Peace In Him Pia
     
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    Yes a man said to me You have revalation and you can only pass on information.
     
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    Absolutely, and without EVER taking any credit, because you KNOW that you are just passing on information..... Built in safety mechanism lol......Would love to hear your testimony, if you feel inclined to share?......I noticed there are exactly zero testimonies ?
     
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    How do you personally know when someone is seeking the praise of men? Are you able to read their mind? See their heart? Read in between the lines of what they say? Use a special intuitive sense? Hear the Holy Spirit?
     
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    Im not sure if this thread is about baring witness, or being a witness or whatever.
    We used to witness according to sowing seed in season and out of season....whether the person wanted to listen or not.
    ( it was usually "or not" LOL )
    Now I never witness unless feeling a nudge from the Holy Spirit to do so.
    Only that way does it bare fruit. ( Yet I am also very aware that not all of us see the fruit-bit...some sow, some water, some reap)

    As @aspen said earlier...how we live and act speaks more than our mouth most times. I dislike the churches that nag about "getting out there and witnessing." I refuse to come under that kind of condemnation...been there, done that. Unless the Father is drawing we are wasting our time...just making ourselves 'feel good' that we are 'doing our bit'.
    If we follow on to know the Lord...one day we will probably be called to be a witness... we used to call it "The Two Witness Company of people."
    ..and we know happens to them!!
    Rev 11 6 "These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
    7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them." But ...the story ends well
    (Sorry for mistakes...I am getting tired.)
     
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    Thank you for sharing your thoughts. However, anectodally derived notions are not related to the axiomatic directives from Scripture, regardless of how many times one says "We/Us/Our" as if they represent the faith of others they do not know.

    Can you tell me when you know someone who quotes Scripture is seeking the praise of men?
     
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    Isn't every person taught, by whatever church they go to, via this way ? What else is the writings in the Bible other than 'anecdotal' evidence ?
    For us to know whether something is true, surely it takes the Holy Spirit to confirm it. I personally think it is a very dangerous thing to assume that a document written and translated and re-translated over and over again is as good as the Truth from Himself, and as I find out more and more, so very few are willing to take Jesus at His word and go to Him, to accept that He is a REAL resurrected being and well able to communicate with us.
    I think the churches are guilty of keeping people from having a real relationship with Him, such as the early believers did. Somehow what happened to Saul ( Paul ) on the road to Damascus is now ( and has been for quite some time ) considered something that was only possible back then, and has no place in this 'modern' world.
    All the various church leaders such as the Pope for the Catholic church, The prophet in the Mormons Latter day Saints or whatever other leaders, have a bad habit of usurping the Lord's position of being the head of His church. They take it upon themselves to be the judges and juries of all other people, and surely that was never meant to be.
    It is no wonder that we do not see people being convinced that Jesus came from God, through what are termed 'believers'........We are missing the Love and the Truth, which can only come from above, and without that, how is His Kingdom supposed to be revealed ?
     
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    When they are politicians. Certainly not all, but a vast majority.

    When their prayers go on for 5 minutes or more in front of an audience. I don't think the Lord's all that impressed with His word being spoken back to Him. Much of it in error no doubt.
     
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    There is indeed much more to Scrupture than anecdotaly derived narrative. It is called "The Word of God." Does your church teach this?
     
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    almost surely; it is their best-selling product lol. If only you could demonstrate it from the Book, huh?
     
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    To me The Word Of God is Jesus.....I have attended quite a few churches in the past. and yes they called the Bible that too, but they all taught it differently.
     
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    Why? Does it matter?!! o_O
    Only God sees the hearts...and He is not saying...until the very end.

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    If "IT DOES NOT MATTER!", why do you presume to speak "We/Us/Our" as if you have been trained and appointed to speal for other people?

    Lol.
     
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