GracePeace
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Didn't I say we are to obey God rather than Government if they tell us "sin"?Proverbs 25:26 Like a muddied spring or a polluted fountain is a righteous man who gives way before the wicked.
I think you must be misinterpreting that verse--did Jesus "give way" by obeying God and dying?
Context was a condemnation of immorality.For know ye not that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit which is in you, which ye have from God? and ye are not your own; 20 for ye were bought with a price: glorify God therefore in your body. 1Corinthians 6:19-20
1. That was an earthly Theocratic government. We don't live in that type of government--beside which, New Testament doctrine says we're not "under Law".Exodus 22:2-3 If a thief is found breaking in and is struck so that he dies, there shall be no bloodguilt for him, but if the sun has risen on him, there shall be bloodguilt for him. He shall surely pay. If he has nothing, then he shall be sold for his theft.
2. Christ repudiated many Torah commandments in Matthew 5--one in particular was "'eye for eye, tooth for tooth'".
True:Psalm 82:4 Rescue the weak and needy; Deliver them out of the hand of the wicked
1. That's what we do when we preach the Gospel--the Lord rescues people from the Wicked One.
2. There're many organizations who rescue sex slaves.
3. There're many organizations who rescue children from abortion.
4. The Apostle Philip was supernaturally carried by the Spirit--if we were more spiritual, we also would be able to do such things in the power of God, negating any need for weapons.
Agreed. Show me where what you advocate doing is modeled in Scripture.Proverbs 24:11 Deliver those who are drawn toward death, And hold back those stumbling to the slaughter.
Paul was stoned to death and beaten with rods several times, but never mentioned retribution or defending himself.
Yes, if we are close to God, He may charge us to warn the Church if it is in rebellion against God.Ezekiel 33 "6 'But if the watchman sees the sword coming and does not blow the trumpet, and the people are not warned, and a sword comes and takes a person from them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood I will require from the watchman's hand.'
1. Yes, but we also know: a) He rebuked Peter for having drawn his sword and having struck the servant in the Garden, and b) Neither He nor His disciples (remember, they learned from Him how to comport themselves and modeled their lives after Him and His Word) fought to defend themselves when being martyred--and Christ explicitly condemned the idea that His disciples would fight for His cause.Luke 22:35-39 And He said to them, "When I sent you without money bag, knapsack, and sandals, did you lack anything?" So they said, "Nothing." 36 Then He said to them, "But now, he who has a money bag, let him take it, and likewise a knapsack; and he who has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one. 37 "For I say to you that this which is written must still be accomplished in Me: 'And He was numbered with the transgressors.' For the things concerning Me have an end." 38 So they said, "Lord, look, here are two swords." And He said to them, "It is enough." 39 Coming out, He went to the Mount of Olives, as He was accustomed, and His disciples also followed Him.
2. Again, "when I sent you" was when He sent them to Israel, but now He would be sending them to the nations to preach the Gospel, so, I don't know, maybe they could have needed the swords for hacking brambles. One thing is for certain : ALL the Apostles (except John) were martyred and NONE of them launched a revolt to defend themselves.
Yes, and the next verse tells you why : father turns against daughter, mother against son, on account of their holding to Christ, as He teaches, "whoever loves mother or father or brother more than Me is not worthy of Me". The same is taught in Torah--if anyone leads you to worship another god, your hand will be the first against them, to put them to death, and you will not feel mercy at all ("died without mercy").Matthew 10:34 Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword.
Agreed.Thou shalt not steal.
Thou shalt not murder.
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